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Someone who doesn't believe in your religion and shouldn't be forced to live by its rules.Jonabob87 said:
And as religion predates "reliable history", that pretty much relieves your religion of its ownership claim on marriage, doesn't it? Or do the "finders keepers" rules still apply?
I'm sorry about your grandfather. Some people are like that. While most people I know don't understand it, I doubt there are many that have a problem with it. I think there are people that don't understand or accept such things, but can live with it. At least, as long as their own child or grandchild isn't one of those people, in this case gay, that they don't understand. It's sad, but there's nothing you can do about some things. Much like he can't force you to change, you can't force him to, either. I'm sorry, but maybe one day he will accept you. If not, it's not your fault.Suki the Cat said:
I'll admit that I do hear the occasional gay joke, but they are rare. Like once in 3 or 4 months. If that. Honestly, I don't think that many people care about homosexuality. Really, just the loudest voices dominating the debate.
Let me be clear that I have no problem with gay people. I actually support gay marriage. If only so that two people, who are living together in a committed relationship and for all intents and purposes are married, will have the same rights and protections as straight couples.
And I agree that there are some things that you can't change (and why should you?) and it is really sad when people can't accept you for those "faults" and make fun of and insult you for them. I'm pretty sure most people on this site can understand that pain. Bigoted people are not necessarily bad, just ignorant. People fear what they don't understand. It's sad and pathetic, but you shouldn't hate them for this. If anything, you should pity them and disassociate yourself with such people.
Anyway, I wish you well. May your future be a happy and fortunate one filled with good times, good friends, and good memories.
There's no reason to stop government sanctioned same sex marriage other than the likelihood of that moving on to further same-sex religious marriage bullying. Legalistic marriage = I don't care.Mookie_Magnus said:
A while ago a gay rights group in California put forward an attempt to abolish marriage in the state of California, almost as a sort of childish "Well if we cant have it neither should you." I actually thought it was quite a good idea, as people could still be married by the church, as for religious people the important bit as that it's done in the sight of God. It would also stop people being married for financial benefits...
Sure let's trust wikipedia, a site that you could edit over the original Greek. Also, I pointed out that the definition supported by wikipedia is the one I said that society uses. I said it was a wrong translation therefore the wrong definition. You assume that everything must be as society dictates. I assume that words have inherent meanings that should not be ignored.Zeithri said:
Merf... I tried not to let myself get sucked into this... But oh well! First off, I'm a ******, so yeah. Bein' gay and stuff is -totally- okay with me. =P
I want to make a comment about all the marriage argument stuff going on here. I have a feeling most of those against it are in the States, so I'm going to argue for the States. There's this thing we have. You know, the whole 'separation of church and state' thing. Like it or not, but marriage is no longer -just- a religious thing. It's a federal thing as well. And -that's- why we want it. Most gay people don't give a care about the religious aspect, as most aren't religious. Which isn't shocking considering the treatment most receive... But, like I was saying; we want marriage because of the benefits it grants couples, and there's no reason, other than religious bigotry, to deny someone that.
Personally, I'm fine with the idea of civil unions instead of marriage, if only because I figure it'll work as a way to -eventually- get to marriage; when folks see that it won't end the world.
But yeah, just wanted to mention that, since I didn't see anyone else point it out... Granted, I may have missed it, but eh.
I want to make a comment about all the marriage argument stuff going on here. I have a feeling most of those against it are in the States, so I'm going to argue for the States. There's this thing we have. You know, the whole 'separation of church and state' thing. Like it or not, but marriage is no longer -just- a religious thing. It's a federal thing as well. And -that's- why we want it. Most gay people don't give a care about the religious aspect, as most aren't religious. Which isn't shocking considering the treatment most receive... But, like I was saying; we want marriage because of the benefits it grants couples, and there's no reason, other than religious bigotry, to deny someone that.
Personally, I'm fine with the idea of civil unions instead of marriage, if only because I figure it'll work as a way to -eventually- get to marriage; when folks see that it won't end the world.
But yeah, just wanted to mention that, since I didn't see anyone else point it out... Granted, I may have missed it, but eh.
There's another big push to outlaw divorce. After all, if the "sanctity of marriage" is so important, then divorce should be illegal! I'm tickled by this, though of course it could never happen.Jonabob87 said:
I just dont like the idea of MSM, I would personally never do it and dont feel comfortable with people who do, guess it makes me homophobic. However, I am not the sort to opress people because of what they do. You can be gay if you want, just as iam allowed to dislike it.
1. Gay marriage is still largely illegal and at best endlessly see-sawing in the US because of YOUR religion.Jonabob87 said:
2. You can't prove ownership of marriage. Therefore technically it isn't yours.
It doesn't really bother me, i'm all for equality. It sickens me when people are so homophobic though, they're just being really silly. I know a lot of people at my school who are like that.
It's the ones who are really camp who get on my nerves sometimes though, however that can be for heterosexuals too i guess.
It's the ones who are really camp who get on my nerves sometimes though, however that can be for heterosexuals too i guess.
It'd be nice if that were the case, would make people use their brains more before deciding to get married.rockyoumonkeys said:
Well actually it's because the second something becomes "legal" proprieters, let's say Priests or Ministers suddenly HAVE to do it, or they can lose their jobs. There's already cases in the UK of Christian registrars being fired/disciplined because they refuse to personally conduct a same sex marriage.
No one can claim "ownership" of it, but marriage ceremonies are mostly religious ones, am I wrong?
in my personal opinion i don't think we are born with a sexual orientation, i think our lives and our decisions are what guide us, i know this wont be completely approved of by everyone as an opinion but i really don't mean it in an offensive way, i was bought up to be prejudice and as soon as i was able to make my own decisions i tested the conviction of passed on beliefs, turned out some things are more fun than u might assume, pleasure is pleasure, why rule anything out u haven't tried assuming it causes no one any harm bar potentially yourself.
ot- there isnt a gay in the world that bothers me except the lesbian who stole my job but thats coz she is a prick rather than because she is a lesbian.
people have been getting gay for as long as human history has been recorded, seems a foolish things to posses prejudice over, besides i dont know why straight people dislike gays, every male should sponsor a gay man, if all straight men did this there would be a lot less competition when looking for a female, the only gay a straight man should have an issue with is lesbians who are also potentially a threat.
i think where little boys often grow up associating all the weaknesses of male. like crying and being emotional with gayness via helpful emotional abuse al la our dads there is sometimes a breaking point where rather than suppressing emotions as a proof of strength that "campness" is the embodiment of the end of repression and i think it can sometimes be so strong that a new disproportionate self is formed, i have known macho gays also who hate feminine men and see it as a betrayal of gender which is the very thing that works for them.
this maybe a bot ott in terms of a response but ive been awake for the best part of 3 days so enjoy my roving attempted explanation. : P
ot- there isnt a gay in the world that bothers me except the lesbian who stole my job but thats coz she is a prick rather than because she is a lesbian.
people have been getting gay for as long as human history has been recorded, seems a foolish things to posses prejudice over, besides i dont know why straight people dislike gays, every male should sponsor a gay man, if all straight men did this there would be a lot less competition when looking for a female, the only gay a straight man should have an issue with is lesbians who are also potentially a threat.
i think where little boys often grow up associating all the weaknesses of male. like crying and being emotional with gayness via helpful emotional abuse al la our dads there is sometimes a breaking point where rather than suppressing emotions as a proof of strength that "campness" is the embodiment of the end of repression and i think it can sometimes be so strong that a new disproportionate self is formed, i have known macho gays also who hate feminine men and see it as a betrayal of gender which is the very thing that works for them.
this maybe a bot ott in terms of a response but ive been awake for the best part of 3 days so enjoy my roving attempted explanation. : P
It's totally okay to feel that way. I am gay, and I do not mind that people don't want to hear what I do in bed. Also, a lot of people I know don't like it when a straight couple are eating eachother out in the streets.caselj01 said:
Just as long as you don't go spew around that what I do in bed makes me a "lesser" person, I respect peoples boundries.
I am in the escapist gay-mers so I think my view is obvious.
Myself, I'm not entirely sure. I don't really feel love in that way for anyone anymore.
Myself, I'm not entirely sure. I don't really feel love in that way for anyone anymore.
Well I'm gay myself, but it's very hard for people to notice it because it don't act like it. It's my own business who i like and I rather keep it that way, not saying I'm ashamed of it or anything but it's just on a need to know bases. Also I have been to the pro gay rallies before and they are fun to hang out and meet people, but there is this thing, like most of you know, that it's the "Hey I'm gay in your face" thing that I just really hate they do sometimes. If you want people to accept you as a group sure let them know your proud of who you are, but don't jump in thier faces about it every five seconds. People need time to adjust to different people and they can't do that when the community is in everyone's face about it, just annoys people and make them not wanna accept anything.