Ezekiel said:
Luke had some bullshit moments too. Like, how they put him in the seat of a military fighter craft that he had never piloted before.
but they did introduce him as having been a fair pilot before, for all we know the x-wing is a space t-34 with a simple system that allows any old person to fly it and given it's a rebellion i lean towards that as an explanation as to why it is the main fighter over the A or B or K wing along with economical reasons.
from what i remember he doesn't actually do anything really all that special in the seat either, aside from the force shit at the end. then again the trench run was pretty skillful.
simply put the suspension of disbelief isn't affected.
We don't know the rules of this, we know he was a pilot, he drives them into town, he knows a bit about starships i remember han barking at him for back seat driving and now far away he's piloting another craft.
one doesn't have to strain.
but people don't just morph psychic powers out of their asses and giving a sense of progression of training and mysticism helps close that gap.
especially when that character is also super good with machines and fighting and can do things as the plot allows it.
you don't see that as much with luke.
In the trilogy, he learns much of his power on his own, like Rey. Obi-Wan never taught him how to force pull objects, yet he pulls a lightsaber out of the snow.
again that's something movie teaching can gloss over, we did have time skips during his early training, also he was super fucking bad with it.
Trying to pull in the light-saber took noticeable stress early on. it wasn't as if he just learned the skill and mastered it moments before, it was very weak and it doesn't break the suspended disbelief membrane
Rey's progression was definitely fast, but it wasn't that absurd.
it was expedient enough for people to hone in on it, luke was stretched out of 3 films, a lot of it happening off screen or summarized quickly but they did devote a fair amount of time showing he was indeed struggling. the key point is logically it was space enough that these leaps made sense.
First episode he's still getting it, most stressful thing he does is learn not to overly rely on his senses - the trench run, the training droid.
then he gets more power, begins to affect the world - lifting shit, understanding his mind
then he ends up becoming the great warrior monk, even then he wasn't all that strong in the vadar fight.
The long and the short of it is that there was enough gaps between the stories that we could fill in the blanks, imagine the personal training that goes by, we aren't there and given seconds to understand that a person is achieving something that it takes years to do if you follow the story cannon.
even little orphan annie himself who was some sort of protege was unable to just pop up with all these fucking force powers because plot, though he did have mild force clairvoyance. Hell a lot of folks thought the character was bullshit myself included. this fella has the ability to build robots and complex machinery, slave job or not the kid is still a kid but it was clearly Lukas writing by convenience and the rest of the movie was bad so it didn't stand out as much. A turd in a latrine is not nearly as noticeable as a turd on a porcelain floor.
come to think of it she reminds me quite a bit of that little stupid shit.
referring to the above post about here trials
I wonder how the first force users learned that they had those abilities, without anyone to teach them.
i suppose because it's space mysticism you had people begin to delve into it, train people and those people will meditate and become better. with a lot of different schools or classes of jedi until a jedi buddha arrives and teaches everyone the best way. it's like what siddharta said himself, the dharma doesn't just leave, people will always learn a way.
It's not that they just learned the stuff or you would have a bunch of untrained superjedi/sith on random worlds and even disney fucking the extended canon you don't see that stuff.
a strong amoral force sensitive can build an empire, they end up in the outrim, just get that knowledge shat on them form on high and you'd have noticeable empires crop up. but you don't really see that,
Hell if it was true and disincline wasn't really necessary it wasn't spirituality and connection to the heart beat of the world then we don't even see that in rey.
she doesn't seems like a mystical character, not enough to fool the portion of the audience who saw her way too powerful without drawbacks.
That bug eyed glare she has on most of the movie doesn't seem calm to me, he actions don't suspend my belief she is some sort of mystic savant it comes off that she just has these powers because she does.
no training
no discplin
no mystic magic mumbojumbo
no real reason.
it doesn't follow that she is this strong to me, just like anni
Might it have been the same as when Rey hears the voice of the storm trooper and then realizes she can manipulate his thoughts? At least her powers have a progression (a very fast progression), beginning with her discovery of the lightsaber and continuing when she meets Kylo Ren, and there are hints, like flashbacks and Obi-Wan speaking to her. It was a bit rough, but I'm hopeful that the sequel will make more sense of it.
people are suggesting she might be little orphan annie back in a new body and that scares me, we don't need more annie.
but yeah, jay jay did a hack-slap dash thing to charge people up for the next one wand disney is handing it to other people. it's clear her characterization and grow was hacked up for plot convenience for what amounts to a low brain action movie.
there is nothing wrong with being aware of that, she comes off as a mary sue, for good reason, they never really did much with her but use her as a vehicle to help advance them to a new set piece for plot and scene efficiency
I think it would have been worse to have another protagonist go through all the same trials that we already watched Luke go through. I'm hoping the sequels come up with new powers.
true but then again they are selling us episode 4...2. it's that sort of thing, rehashing wouldn't be the worst except it doesn't fit JarJar Abrams style. You could have tweaked things before it left the drawing board, Rey didn't even have to start at ground zero she could have been shown practicing this stuff, because a force artifacts' influence or it could have been she was being trained initially, change up her backstory a bit.
but it's clear, she's the daughter of one of the main characters from the last movies, who may or may not be darth vader or some shyamalan tier twist.
and none of it matted anyway because hype.
any criticisms i could levy again will be washed away because well member berries nostiliga and fanboying
