Hotline Miami 2 Dev to Australians: "Just Pirate The Game"

Steven Bogos

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Rozalia1 said:
Charcharo said:
I dont see it that way. If they wanted to break the rules they would have/would do it anyway. I dont see how this makes it easier, I really do not.

Like most things that cant be enforced, it depends on good will. Nothing has changed.

I cant quantify anything, this is not technology where I can make objective statements. I just honestly think that this move may have actually gotten a few more sales that would not happen otherwise.

I have no idea about Australia and steam and GoG. If possible, it would be good to get it from there. Getting it from consoles however... yeah...
There are folk out there who just need the little push in regards to such things. There is the matter of being a "gateway" but I'm not going to go into that as you can argue it all day.

Ah yes it slipped my mind. Pirating stuff on PC is better recommended than buying legally on console, sorry about that.
Bloody hell come on now. You're perfectly fine with people pirating this game but find getting it legally on console distasteful... yeah justify yourself how you like on that.

Well whatever the case I've demonstrated that people are more than capable of legally purchasing the game... doesn't matter though does it? Some people were always going to justify themselves with it "not being made available", but this only adds to that.
I live in a country filled with pirates. A lot more then where you live :)
There is a very simple divide. People that will buy it and those that wont. The second one also includes the pirates. What the developers did here may have actually made the number of the second group smaller and the number of the first a tad bigger.

*And of coarse you are always the correct one for all matters ever and we can argue all day but your opinion is morally just and sound :( :( ... :( *

On to the second point... It is never quite as simple as that. And I did not say pirating is superior to getting it on consoles. Where did I say that?

Australia's classification board is the one to blame here.
 

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Charcharo said:
I live in a country filled with pirates. A lot more then where you live :)
There is a very simple divide. People that will buy it and those that wont. The second one also includes the pirates. What the developers did here may have actually made the number of the second group smaller and the number of the first a tad bigger.

*And of coarse you are always the correct one for all matters ever and we can argue all day but your opinion is morally just and sound :( :( ... :( *

On to the second point... It is never quite as simple as that. And I did not say pirating is superior to getting it on consoles. Where did I say that?

Australia's classification board is the one to blame here.
Is not often (and often aggressively) that not all pirates pirate everything? Would this not make them go "I would have brought it but they've now told me to go ahead, cool"? They'll still be ways as I've listed but they'll either not know or just ignore it.

That was not what I said. What I said is the issue of something being a gateway especially something like this can be fruitlessly argued either way to no conclusion. We could argue it for several pages or just conclude that there is no actual answer that can be found there.

Nowhere, but I did not say that you said it was "superior", though I suppose it'd not be a stretch to say you did. Word I used was "distasteful". Your response treated it as it was some sort of dishonour... some sort of shame getting it legally on console over illegally. Perhaps my words are too strong, but something definitely was off in what you said.
Anyway you'll be able to get it legally on PC too, I mentioned consoles as you told me to give you some ways around it which that was one.

And yet instead of giving the information that would tell people how to legally obtain the game regardless of the classification board... they tell people to pirate it. Doesn't exactly promote good things.
 

Steven Bogos

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Rozalia1 said:
Charcharo said:
I live in a country filled with pirates. A lot more then where you live :)
There is a very simple divide. People that will buy it and those that wont. The second one also includes the pirates. What the developers did here may have actually made the number of the second group smaller and the number of the first a tad bigger.

*And of coarse you are always the correct one for all matters ever and we can argue all day but your opinion is morally just and sound :( :( ... :( *

On to the second point... It is never quite as simple as that. And I did not say pirating is superior to getting it on consoles. Where did I say that?

Australia's classification board is the one to blame here.
Is not often (and often aggressively) that not all pirates pirate everything? Would this not make them go "I would have brought it but they've now told me to go ahead, cool"? They'll still be ways as I've listed but they'll either not know or just ignore it.

That was not what I said. What I said is the issue of something being a gateway especially something like this can be fruitlessly argued either way to no conclusion. We could argue it for several pages or just conclude that there is no actual answer that can be found there.

Nowhere, but I did not say that you said it was "superior", though I suppose it'd not be a stretch to say you did. Word I used was "distasteful". Your response treated it as it was some sort of dishonour... some sort of shame getting it legally on console over illegally. Perhaps my words are too strong, but something definitely was off in what you said.
Anyway you'll be able to get it legally on PC too, I mentioned consoles as you told me to give you some ways around it which that was one.

And yet instead of giving the information that would tell people how to legally obtain the game regardless of the classification board... they tell people to pirate it. Doesn't exactly promote good things.
I dont know of pirates that operate this way. And I am surrounded by them. Generally, a game as cheap as this will be pirated a LOT less then an expensive one. However the vast majority of pirates here simply wont care and will pirate it anyway. They do not need permission. No one enforces (and CAN NOT enforce it here).
The most that can happen is word of mouth\game sites to inform then what the developers have said or done. For some reason that has the opposite effect of what you say.

Ohh... I was talking in general :(

Yes it is a stretch. I do believe that playing on a console IS inferior, however I did not condemn the possible legality in this case. What was off was that... you did not understand what the wrong with what you said is.
I will get it legally on PC. Where I live, no one gives a shit about what a video game can have.

The way it seems is like a middle finger to the classification board. I approve of it. The message is nice :).
 

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Lunncal said:
thaluikhain said:
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thaluikhain said:
Does the developer own the IP? If so, it's not piracy, if not, their opinion isn't that relevant.
Just out of curiosity, do you really consider that important? Not in terms of legality I mean, he probably isn't "sole owner of the IP" and pirating it probably would be technically illegal, but in terms of the morality of it?
Well, going by the logic that piracy is theft, if he's not the sole owner, then he's talking about giving away, or allowing to be stolen, something which isn't just his to give.
I suppose, but that kind of seems to be missing the main point to me. If you go by the logic that any kind of piracy is theft, and by the logic that anything defined as theft is automatically immoral, then pirating this in this case would be immoral by definition. But do you really think any kind of piracy is theft, or that theft is always immoral, even in cases like this?

And if so, why? Do you consider breaking the law to be automatically wrong to begin with? I just don't really understand the angle you're coming from to take issue with this.
If it belongs to him, then he can give it away. If it doesn't belong (solely) to him, then he can't give it away.