Jamcie Kerbizz said:
There's a shoved in token 'asian girl' with,
Rose isn't a 'token Asian girl.'
A token character is defined as a character with one attribute being the sole compotent of their identity - the 'black character,' or the 'gay character, or the 'female character,' etc. Rose's ethnicity has nothing to do with her role in the film (ethnicity has never played a part in Star Wars anyway). I'm not overly fond of Rose as a character, but she's not shoved in. She has a defined personality, backstory, and is part of the impetus of the Canto Blight plot thread.
Jamcie Kerbizz said:
shoved in 'corrupt western capitalism is bad' plot in middle of the last movie,
Um, where?
Jamcie Kerbizz said:
which both were suppose to be a smashing opener of chinese market to Disney...
Source needed.
Jamcie Kerbizz said:
Unfortunately a) girl isn't appealing when it comes to local standards,
God forbid a female character not look like a super model.
Jamcie Kerbizz said:
b) her role, sentiments and 'heroism' are unrelatable
Disagree. Unless you mean to the Chinese, in which case I can't comment.
Jamcie Kerbizz said:
c) that 'pivotal' plot is actually taking a great piss on everything most modern chinese aspire to have.
Which is predicated on your assumption that Rose is designed to 'appease' the Chinese market - an assertion you've provided no source for.
Jamcie Kerbizz said:
If people at Disney had 2 brain cells they would have made several of Snoke's guards being played by chinese actors, show that many of troopers on First Order side are also asian
All the guards and troopers are fully clad in armour, how does that even matter?
Jamcie Kerbizz said:
and actually flesh out the whole sub-plot with Canto Bight as more of Hong Kong style - with message: if you are resourceful you can be successful regardless of the side you make your money off.
Um...are you seriously criticizing Canto Blight for having the 'wrong message?'
The message of Canto Blight is that there's no black and white in war, that both sides can, and will get their hands dirty, and a shiny veneer can hide a dark underbelly. I don't find it a particuarly compelling or well layered message, but it has nothing to do with capitalism.
Warhound said:
Its all over their new movies.
Where? Actually cite a specific scene.
Warhound said:
Thats why The Last Jedi dropped 92% in its second week.
Star Wars has never done particuarly well in China. Doesn't help that the film opened alongside a major Chinese comedy.
Also, considering that TLJ still grossed over 1 billion, I don't think the films are in any financial trouble.
Darth Rosenberg said:
(MCU > Star Wars these days).
That...is sadly possibly right.
(Hell, did I just agree with DR? 0_0)
Samtemdo8 said:
Let the mighty Sargon of Akkad give you a clear explination
First of all, it's spelt "explanation."
Second of all...Sargon of Akkad? Come on Sam, I thought you were better than this.
PsychedelicDiamond said:
I feel like the backlash against The Last Jedi is a display of autism, the depth and scope of which I find nearly impossible to comprehend.
Impossible to comprehend?
Mate, it's all too possible to comprehend. Fans are fans. And some fans are like rabid dogs, frothing at the mouth, infecting those around them with their rage.
Zontar said:
To put it simply, there's a reason why the movie is a critical failure where audiences either hate it or don't think it's that bad, but no one actually loves it outside of the critic bubble,
I've seen far too many people declare that they love it for that to be true. I'm not one of them, but I think that's an unfair assertion.
Zontar said:
It's not even that Disney is inherently the issue, Rogue One didn't suffer many of these problems.
Personally I'd cite Rogue One as the worst Disney-era Star Wars film. It's a mess of pacing with bland, forgettable characters. Film's only saved by its third act, by the scope and execution of its battle scene.
peacefulescape said:
Call me mainstream but probably another 10 more Marvel movies thrown in
But...aren't we getting them anyway?
(God, that's depressing.)
Jamcie Kerbizz said:
The only flimsy thing is your ability to address an argument without misrepresenting it. As per usual, you're wrong.
This is not politicized piss, this is pandering to asian market
How?
Jamcie Kerbizz said:
The way this movie failed there speaks volumes itself.
Again, Star Wars has never done that well in China when compared to the West.
Jamcie Kerbizz said:
they like heros like Jakson's Windu, not Boyega's Finn...
Source needed.
Jamcie Kerbizz said:
Cringe politicised piss, were things like democracy dies in thunderous applause dropped in prequels (as of oh noes Bush taken away our freedom whinging).
Personally, I saw it as more of a reference to Rome, how it went from a Republic to an Empire. I know that wasn't Lucas's intent, but art doesn't exist in a vacuum.
Also, that's a kind of disturbing line of thought there, the idea that art should never take inspiration from the real world. Off the top of my head, that's like saying Charles Dickens should have never written works that dealt with issues such as child labour and poverty, as they were issues that existed at the time. Not that I'm comparing Star Wars to Dickens, but it's the same principle - art can engage with the issues of the day.
Jamcie Kerbizz said:
Arms dealers sell weapons to both sides of a confflict presented as ground breaking revelation (painting Finn a retard).
Disagree. It's perfectly understandable that Finn wouldn't be in on that. He was raised as a soldier by and organization with the sole intent of turning him into a killing machine. Likewise, he'd have a romanticized view of the Rebellion/Resistance as the opponent to the First Order/Empire. Finn isn't worldly in knowledge.
Jamcie Kerbizz said:
Producer parading in shirt force is a female (bigger cringe than midiclorians as if now force has got to have a dong or a slit wtf? why drag SW into that drama).
Agree there actually.
Lack of cast diversity on First Order side all the while there is visible effort done to have it on the other side[/quote]
You...do realize that the First Order is filled with female and/or non-white officers, right? I'll grant you the main cast is caucasian, but the First Order has a smaller pool of characters to draw from, and one of them (Kylo) has to be white by virtue of biology.
Jamcie Kerbizz said:
(why bother with diversity when it is done in judgmental, selective and divisive way that contradicts its essence and reeks of PC instead of pragmatism).
How?
Jamcie Kerbizz said:
Racist and sexist token approach to casting in general,
How?
Seriously, how? You keep going on about diversity, but you seem to be the only one with a problem with it. Again, ethnicity is a moot point in Star Wars, and has never been brought up once in the films.
Jamcie Kerbizz said:
which is alien (and alienating) concept to people living in homogeneous societies.
So...good thing I don't live in China then?
altnameJag said:
I mean, out of 10 principle characters you get 5 white dudes? White dudes don't make up half the population, so what the fuck's up?
Oh come on, you were doing so well up till now.
Thing is, I wouldn't have noticed any 'issues of diversity' until people brought it up, and even then I'm not seeing the issue. Skin colour doesn't matter in the Star Wars setting, and in this day and age, it shouldn't matter to us.