How could Disney redeem itself from The Last Jedi?

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

In my Rambling, That I just think Star Wars lasted this long through the Autism and Over-attention of the kids that grew up watching the first movie.

You may disagree with that if you want.

Do you know what autism actually is? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Repetitive behavior and deficient social skills. And I just typed that without looking at Google.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Repetitive behavior and deficient social skills. And I just typed that without looking at Google.

Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong. Next time do the homework instead of using other people's neurological conditions as a shorthand slur for people not agreeing with you. In fact, not having done even a Google search on the topic is not something you should be bragging about.

The very first thing I see with Autism on Google is this:

"Autism spectrum disorder, refers to a range of conditions characterized by challenges with social skills, repetitive behaviors, speech and nonverbal communication, as well as by unique strengths and differences."

And this is from AutismSpeaks. I just covered only 2 of the aspects.

So how is this wrong? Do you expect me to give an entire essay of Autism for you if this definition barely scratched the surface?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

So how is this wrong? Do you expect me to give an entire essay of Autism for you if this definition barely scratched the surface?

I expect you to not use it as a lazy pejorative for opinions you don't like.

I never used it against anyone who's opinion I disagreed with, I just think people like this is the reason Star Wars lasted this long:


Unless this guy isn't Autistic or hyped up on ADHD.

 

[Avnger]

So how is this wrong? Do you expect me to give an entire essay of Autism for you if this definition barely scratched the surface?

I expect you to not use it as a lazy pejorative for opinions you don't like.

I never used it against anyone who's opinion I disagreed with, I just think people like this is the reason Star Wars lasted this long:

You're using the negative stereotypes of it as a generalized insult, and attaching those with Autism to the negative stereotypes and bad behavior you're implying.

If I were to walk around saying that everything bad that I came across in life was "Samtemdo8-like," you wouldn't take that as me assigning negative connotations to being Samtemdo8?

Unless this guy isn't Autistic or hyped up on ADHD.

And this is simply confirmation that you're using Autism as a pejorative. He could be autistic, he could be on any number of drugs, he could be a completely normal person who snapped and is suffering a mental breakdown, or any number of other scenarios. You have no idea, yet you're assigning this behavior to autism anyway.

edit: One doesn't get "hyped up on ADHD" mate. Though the fact you're associated a mental disorder with drug-induced behavior fits in with the Autism comments.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

So how is this wrong? Do you expect me to give an entire essay of Autism for you if this definition barely scratched the surface?

I expect you to not use it as a lazy pejorative for opinions you don't like.

I never used it against anyone who's opinion I disagreed with, I just think people like this is the reason Star Wars lasted this long:

You're using the negative stereotypes of it as a generalized insult, and attaching those with Autism to the negative stereotypes and bad behavior you're implying.

If I were to walk around saying that everything bad that I came across in life was "Samtemdo8-like," you wouldn't take that as me assigning negative connotations to being Samtemdo8?

Unless this guy isn't Autistic or hyped up on ADHD.

And this is simply confirmation that you're using Autism as a pejorative. He could be autistic, he could be on any number of drugs, he could be a completely normal person who snapped and is suffering a mental breakdown, or any number of other scenarios. You have no idea, yet you're assigning this behavior to autism anyway.

edit: One doesn't get "hyped up on ADHD" mate. Though the fact you're associated a mental disorder with drug-induced behavior fits in with the Autism comments.

I think I should stop watching Mister Metokur than who liberally spouts it to every video he makes and that messed with my thinking of what is autistic and what isn't.

And yes I know that ADHD is nothing to do with drugs. I could have just said ADHD alone.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

So how is this wrong? Do you expect me to give an entire essay of Autism for you if this definition barely scratched the surface?

I expect you to not use it as a lazy pejorative for opinions you don't like.

I never used it against anyone who's opinion I disagreed with, I just think people like this is the reason Star Wars lasted this long:

You're using the negative stereotypes of it as a generalized insult, and attaching those with Autism to the negative stereotypes and bad behavior you're implying.

If I were to walk around saying that everything bad that I came across in life was "Samtemdo8-like," you wouldn't take that as me assigning negative connotations to being Samtemdo8?

Unless this guy isn't Autistic or hyped up on ADHD.

And this is simply confirmation that you're using Autism as a pejorative. He could be autistic, he could be on any number of drugs, he could be a completely normal person who snapped and is suffering a mental breakdown, or any number of other scenarios. You have no idea, yet you're assigning this behavior to autism anyway.

edit: One doesn't get "hyped up on ADHD" mate. Though the fact you're associated a mental disorder with drug-induced behavior fits in with the Autism comments.

I think I should stop watching Mister Metokur than who liberally spouts it to every video he makes and that messed with my thinking of what is autistic and what isn't.

And yes I know that ADHD is nothing to do with drugs. I could have just said ADHD alone.

I mean, you should know better than to use autistic as an insult. Surely you're over the age of 15.

 

[Terminal Blue]

LotR is very much a product of its time. People in Tolkien's lifetime just didn't have a very egalitarian view of race. It's the way it is. And as much as, say, orcs, have become a staple of fantasy fiction it's easy to forget that their depiction is rooted in what can only be called a very colonial view of tribal societies. Now, by itself there's nothing wrong with that as that layer of abstraction that comes with them being a fictional species native to a fictional world keeps it from being actively offensive to anyone it particular but it's very easy to take orcs, take the iconography associated with them and apply it to africans or mongols or various middle eastern societies.

Cue rightists making a bunch of shitty memes about orcs being basically like nonwhite people or rather, the view they, a bunch of sheltered, upper middle class white teenagers, have of nonwhite people. Tolkien sure as hell didn't intend any of that. When he was writing Lord of the Rings he wasn't trying to write a propaganda piece. He was tring to tell a story set in an exotic world with exothic creatures, some of which he loosely based on his view of various real world societies. He himself once stated that LotR was never supposed to be read as a direct allegory for anything.

Yeah, this is my point.

Tolkien wasn't a Nazi, but he was a racist. Race isn't the primary political angle in Lord of the Rings (it's much more about Christianity and anti-modernism) but race is undeniably there, it's part of the storytelling language. Tolkien didn't write the book with the specific intention that orcs were non-white people and that it was about defending fortress Europe from the foreign menace, but it's filtered very much through the language of his time.

And to a large extent, he knew what he was doing. I mean, he was a clever guy. It's not a coincidence that the Dwarven language sounds a bit Semitic, and it's also not a coincidence that Dwarves are greedy and have big noses and sing sad songs about their lost homeland. Like, contrary to what his right wing "fans" like to think, there's no secret agenda in lord of the rings, it's not like Tolkien wanted to tell a story about Jews and black people and called them Dwarves and Orcs in order to trick the libs and hide his power level, but he used archetypes (and stereotypes) that he knew in order to make his various fantasy races feel "different" and give them an identity. And the implications for a modern reader who recognizes these as stereotypes can be a bit disturbing.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

So how is this wrong? Do you expect me to give an entire essay of Autism for you if this definition barely scratched the surface?

I expect you to not use it as a lazy pejorative for opinions you don't like.

I never used it against anyone who's opinion I disagreed with, I just think people like this is the reason Star Wars lasted this long:

You're using the negative stereotypes of it as a generalized insult, and attaching those with Autism to the negative stereotypes and bad behavior you're implying.

If I were to walk around saying that everything bad that I came across in life was "Samtemdo8-like," you wouldn't take that as me assigning negative connotations to being Samtemdo8?

Unless this guy isn't Autistic or hyped up on ADHD.

And this is simply confirmation that you're using Autism as a pejorative. He could be autistic, he could be on any number of drugs, he could be a completely normal person who snapped and is suffering a mental breakdown, or any number of other scenarios. You have no idea, yet you're assigning this behavior to autism anyway.

edit: One doesn't get "hyped up on ADHD" mate. Though the fact you're associated a mental disorder with drug-induced behavior fits in with the Autism comments.

I think I should stop watching Mister Metokur than who liberally spouts it to every video he makes and that messed with my thinking of what is autistic and what isn't.

And yes I know that ADHD is nothing to do with drugs. I could have just said ADHD alone.

I mean, you should know better than to use autistic as an insult. Surely you're over the age of 15.

I just like saying whatever I want and I expected people to have strong spines in not being phased by words.

But that's the wrong way of thinking it seems.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

So how is this wrong? Do you expect me to give an entire essay of Autism for you if this definition barely scratched the surface?

I expect you to not use it as a lazy pejorative for opinions you don't like.

I never used it against anyone who's opinion I disagreed with, I just think people like this is the reason Star Wars lasted this long:

You're using the negative stereotypes of it as a generalized insult, and attaching those with Autism to the negative stereotypes and bad behavior you're implying.

If I were to walk around saying that everything bad that I came across in life was "Samtemdo8-like," you wouldn't take that as me assigning negative connotations to being Samtemdo8?

Unless this guy isn't Autistic or hyped up on ADHD.

And this is simply confirmation that you're using Autism as a pejorative. He could be autistic, he could be on any number of drugs, he could be a completely normal person who snapped and is suffering a mental breakdown, or any number of other scenarios. You have no idea, yet you're assigning this behavior to autism anyway.

edit: One doesn't get "hyped up on ADHD" mate. Though the fact you're associated a mental disorder with drug-induced behavior fits in with the Autism comments.

I think I should stop watching Mister Metokur than who liberally spouts it to every video he makes and that messed with my thinking of what is autistic and what isn't.

And yes I know that ADHD is nothing to do with drugs. I could have just said ADHD alone.

I mean, you should know better than to use autistic as an insult. Surely you're over the age of 15.

I just like saying whatever I want and I expected people to have strong spines in not being phased by words.

But that's the wrong way of thinking it seems.

Do you call black people the n word? Do you call gay people faggots?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

So how is this wrong? Do you expect me to give an entire essay of Autism for you if this definition barely scratched the surface?

I expect you to not use it as a lazy pejorative for opinions you don't like.

I never used it against anyone who's opinion I disagreed with, I just think people like this is the reason Star Wars lasted this long:

You're using the negative stereotypes of it as a generalized insult, and attaching those with Autism to the negative stereotypes and bad behavior you're implying.

If I were to walk around saying that everything bad that I came across in life was "Samtemdo8-like," you wouldn't take that as me assigning negative connotations to being Samtemdo8?

Unless this guy isn't Autistic or hyped up on ADHD.

And this is simply confirmation that you're using Autism as a pejorative. He could be autistic, he could be on any number of drugs, he could be a completely normal person who snapped and is suffering a mental breakdown, or any number of other scenarios. You have no idea, yet you're assigning this behavior to autism anyway.

edit: One doesn't get "hyped up on ADHD" mate. Though the fact you're associated a mental disorder with drug-induced behavior fits in with the Autism comments.

I think I should stop watching Mister Metokur than who liberally spouts it to every video he makes and that messed with my thinking of what is autistic and what isn't.

And yes I know that ADHD is nothing to do with drugs. I could have just said ADHD alone.

I mean, you should know better than to use autistic as an insult. Surely you're over the age of 15.

I just like saying whatever I want and I expected people to have strong spines in not being phased by words.

But that's the wrong way of thinking it seems.

Do you call black people the n word? Do you call gay people faggots?

That would suggest I am actively bigotted to black people and homosexuals so no I am not and do not say those words against those people.

But I say the f word a lot but not against homosexuals, I mostly say it against artsy/fartsy, pretentious people, thats my interpretation of the F word. Such as really pretentious movie critics on youtube for one.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

So how is this wrong? Do you expect me to give an entire essay of Autism for you if this definition barely scratched the surface?

I expect you to not use it as a lazy pejorative for opinions you don't like.

I never used it against anyone who's opinion I disagreed with, I just think people like this is the reason Star Wars lasted this long:

You're using the negative stereotypes of it as a generalized insult, and attaching those with Autism to the negative stereotypes and bad behavior you're implying.

If I were to walk around saying that everything bad that I came across in life was "Samtemdo8-like," you wouldn't take that as me assigning negative connotations to being Samtemdo8?

Unless this guy isn't Autistic or hyped up on ADHD.

And this is simply confirmation that you're using Autism as a pejorative. He could be autistic, he could be on any number of drugs, he could be a completely normal person who snapped and is suffering a mental breakdown, or any number of other scenarios. You have no idea, yet you're assigning this behavior to autism anyway.

edit: One doesn't get "hyped up on ADHD" mate. Though the fact you're associated a mental disorder with drug-induced behavior fits in with the Autism comments.

I think I should stop watching Mister Metokur than who liberally spouts it to every video he makes and that messed with my thinking of what is autistic and what isn't.

And yes I know that ADHD is nothing to do with drugs. I could have just said ADHD alone.

I mean, you should know better than to use autistic as an insult. Surely you're over the age of 15.

I just like saying whatever I want and I expected people to have strong spines in not being phased by words.

But that's the wrong way of thinking it seems.

Do you call black people the n word? Do you call gay people faggots?

That would suggest I am actively bigotted to black people and homosexuals so no I am not and do not say those words against people.

But I say the f a lot and not against homosexuals, I mostly say it against artsy/fartsy, pretentious people, thats my interpretation of the F word. Such as really pretentious movie critics on youtube for one.

That is not the way words work. You can't just change the definition of words as you see fit.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

So how is this wrong? Do you expect me to give an entire essay of Autism for you if this definition barely scratched the surface?

I expect you to not use it as a lazy pejorative for opinions you don't like.

I never used it against anyone who's opinion I disagreed with, I just think people like this is the reason Star Wars lasted this long:

You're using the negative stereotypes of it as a generalized insult, and attaching those with Autism to the negative stereotypes and bad behavior you're implying.

If I were to walk around saying that everything bad that I came across in life was "Samtemdo8-like," you wouldn't take that as me assigning negative connotations to being Samtemdo8?

Unless this guy isn't Autistic or hyped up on ADHD.

And this is simply confirmation that you're using Autism as a pejorative. He could be autistic, he could be on any number of drugs, he could be a completely normal person who snapped and is suffering a mental breakdown, or any number of other scenarios. You have no idea, yet you're assigning this behavior to autism anyway.

edit: One doesn't get "hyped up on ADHD" mate. Though the fact you're associated a mental disorder with drug-induced behavior fits in with the Autism comments.

I think I should stop watching Mister Metokur than who liberally spouts it to every video he makes and that messed with my thinking of what is autistic and what isn't.

And yes I know that ADHD is nothing to do with drugs. I could have just said ADHD alone.

I mean, you should know better than to use autistic as an insult. Surely you're over the age of 15.

I just like saying whatever I want and I expected people to have strong spines in not being phased by words.

But that's the wrong way of thinking it seems.

Do you call black people the n word? Do you call gay people faggots?

That would suggest I am actively bigotted to black people and homosexuals so no I am not and do not say those words against people.

But I say the f a lot and not against homosexuals, I mostly say it against artsy/fartsy, pretentious people, thats my interpretation of the F word. Such as really pretentious movie critics on youtube for one.

That is not the way words work. You can't just change the definition of words as you see fit.

Well thats me being irreverent to some words.

I will say this I really hate chatting through text posting on a forum. We all would have a much pleasent conversation if we conversed vocally because text completely destroys any context, interpretation or nuance.

 

[Terminal Blue]

And this is from AutismSpeaks. I just covered only 2 of the aspects.

Firstly, Autism Speaks is extremely dodgy. They're an advocacy group for the parents of autistic children, not for autistic people themselves, and have engaged in a lot of scare-mongering and overwhelmingly hostile depictions about people with the condition. They were also heavily in bed with the anti-vaxxer thing for a time.

Secondly, I have autism. I don't care about Star Wars, Rick and Morty or any of that other shit. I do get "obsessed" about (although it's nicer to say interested in since for us it isn't really pathological) things but they're things which are specific and personal to me, and often they're things I don't really talk about. Like video games. I barely talk about video games, I just play them mostly because they help to regulate my sensory input.

Like, autistic people, above all, are individuals. We're not inherently drawn to certain things like Star Wars. Heck, I've met autistic people whose interests are other people. Like, you might mention offhand that you're going on holiday in 6 months and then the day after they still remember and ask you how it went.

Autism can mean so many things, and even people with the same diagnosis can be so completely different from each other that, as someone said, the whole Sheldon Cooper stereotype of the nerd who won't stop talking about fucking Star Wars and video games strikes me as someone will look back on in a few decades and just wonder what our society was thinking. I mean, sure, autistic people think differently, the way our minds work is slightly different from neurotypical people, but in many ways we can be far more different from each other than we are from most neurotypical people.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

So how is this wrong? Do you expect me to give an entire essay of Autism for you if this definition barely scratched the surface?

I expect you to not use it as a lazy pejorative for opinions you don't like.

I never used it against anyone who's opinion I disagreed with, I just think people like this is the reason Star Wars lasted this long:

You're using the negative stereotypes of it as a generalized insult, and attaching those with Autism to the negative stereotypes and bad behavior you're implying.

If I were to walk around saying that everything bad that I came across in life was "Samtemdo8-like," you wouldn't take that as me assigning negative connotations to being Samtemdo8?

Unless this guy isn't Autistic or hyped up on ADHD.

And this is simply confirmation that you're using Autism as a pejorative. He could be autistic, he could be on any number of drugs, he could be a completely normal person who snapped and is suffering a mental breakdown, or any number of other scenarios. You have no idea, yet you're assigning this behavior to autism anyway.

edit: One doesn't get "hyped up on ADHD" mate. Though the fact you're associated a mental disorder with drug-induced behavior fits in with the Autism comments.

I think I should stop watching Mister Metokur than who liberally spouts it to every video he makes and that messed with my thinking of what is autistic and what isn't.

And yes I know that ADHD is nothing to do with drugs. I could have just said ADHD alone.

I mean, you should know better than to use autistic as an insult. Surely you're over the age of 15.

I just like saying whatever I want and I expected people to have strong spines in not being phased by words.

But that's the wrong way of thinking it seems.

Do you call black people the n word? Do you call gay people faggots?

That would suggest I am actively bigotted to black people and homosexuals so no I am not and do not say those words against people.

But I say the f a lot and not against homosexuals, I mostly say it against artsy/fartsy, pretentious people, thats my interpretation of the F word. Such as really pretentious movie critics on youtube for one.

That is not the way words work. You can't just change the definition of words as you see fit.

Well thats me being irreverent to some words.

I will say this I really hate chatting through text posting on a forum. We all would have a much pleasent conversation if we conversed vocally because text completely destroys any context, interpretation or nuance.

There's really no context or nuance to justifying using slurs against people.

 

[the December King]

Yeah, this is my point.

Tolkien wasn't a Nazi, but he was a racist. Race isn't the primary political angle in Lord of the Rings (it's much more about Christianity and anti-modernism) but race is undeniably there, it's part of the storytelling language. Tolkien didn't write the book with the specific intention that orcs were non-white people and that it was about defending fortress Europe from the foreign menace, but it's filtered very much through the language of his time.

And to a large extent, he knew what he was doing. I mean, he was a clever guy. It's not a coincidence that the Dwarven language sounds a bit Semitic, and it's also not a coincidence that Dwarves are greedy and have big noses and sing sad songs about their lost homeland. Like, contrary to what his right wing "fans" like to think, there's no secret agenda in lord of the rings, it's not like Tolkien wanted to tell a story about Jews and black people and called them Dwarves and Orcs in order to trick the libs and hide his power level, but he used archetypes (and stereotypes) that he knew in order to make his various fantasy races feel "different" and give them an identity. And the implications for a modern reader who recognizes these as stereotypes can be a bit disturbing.

I'm sorry, I don't think that the level of antisemitism you're describing is inherently evident in Tolkien's dwarves. They have been described and depicted as such well before Tolkien came along. I mean, Snow White came out in 1937, just before Tolkien started penning the stories (more or less). More importantly, they were described as such in the original Nordic folklore as well.

The Orcs were dead elves reanimated and brought to hideous life, weren't they?... I don't see a racial angle there at all.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

So how is this wrong? Do you expect me to give an entire essay of Autism for you if this definition barely scratched the surface?

I expect you to not use it as a lazy pejorative for opinions you don't like.

I never used it against anyone who's opinion I disagreed with, I just think people like this is the reason Star Wars lasted this long:

You're using the negative stereotypes of it as a generalized insult, and attaching those with Autism to the negative stereotypes and bad behavior you're implying.

If I were to walk around saying that everything bad that I came across in life was "Samtemdo8-like," you wouldn't take that as me assigning negative connotations to being Samtemdo8?

Unless this guy isn't Autistic or hyped up on ADHD.

And this is simply confirmation that you're using Autism as a pejorative. He could be autistic, he could be on any number of drugs, he could be a completely normal person who snapped and is suffering a mental breakdown, or any number of other scenarios. You have no idea, yet you're assigning this behavior to autism anyway.

edit: One doesn't get "hyped up on ADHD" mate. Though the fact you're associated a mental disorder with drug-induced behavior fits in with the Autism comments.

I think I should stop watching Mister Metokur than who liberally spouts it to every video he makes and that messed with my thinking of what is autistic and what isn't.

And yes I know that ADHD is nothing to do with drugs. I could have just said ADHD alone.

I mean, you should know better than to use autistic as an insult. Surely you're over the age of 15.

I just like saying whatever I want and I expected people to have strong spines in not being phased by words.

But that's the wrong way of thinking it seems.

Do you call black people the n word? Do you call gay people faggots?

That would suggest I am actively bigotted to black people and homosexuals so no I am not and do not say those words against people.

But I say the f a lot and not against homosexuals, I mostly say it against artsy/fartsy, pretentious people, thats my interpretation of the F word. Such as really pretentious movie critics on youtube for one.

That is not the way words work. You can't just change the definition of words as you see fit.

Well thats me being irreverent to some words.

I will say this I really hate chatting through text posting on a forum. We all would have a much pleasent conversation if we conversed vocally because text completely destroys any context, interpretation or nuance.

There's really no context or nuance to justifying using slurs against people.

Regardless, I still hate chatting in text. I wish this site has a voice comm channel for all of us to talk to each other via mic.

Like a massive Discord.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

And this is from AutismSpeaks. I just covered only 2 of the aspects.

Firstly, Autism Speaks is extremely dodgy.

Why am I not fuckin surprised. And I am also not surprised that Autism is a very, VERY broad subject manner. So many people have varying interpretations of it. And yea I agree that many people in this autism spectrum is different.

Which is why I'll reveal my colors, I have asperger syndrome. I visit a doctor every few months to talk with him.

And Asperger Syndrome I am told is the lesser level of Autism so at least I am not the completely crazy kind of autistic person.