AxCx thank you. your words are music to my ears. People who haven't had to wait 2 weeks to play a game because of an internet fault or suffered poor gameplay because steam is running, or suffered installation problems have no sympathy for others and until it affects them they will not understand. Having seen the anti steam underground community I fear for Steams health. I don't wish its end or any misery it would inflict on its loyal followers... I personally just don't wish to suffer from it anymore. Steam is great for those who enjoy it (all the time it's working properly) I don't enjoy it and if it were not for software written that allows me to bypass steam then I would be forced to miss out on some great games or do as AxCx does and buy the original and get a no steam cracked version. personally I still prefer installing from the disk it feels right.