... ... ... urge to take baseball bat to Jensen Huang's knees rising.
How Much Longer Can Xbox Wait?
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Fucking crypto’s ruined it for the foreseeable future. They can say “oh but the chip shortage” which is bs, because you can still find any CPU adhering to normal inflation values by contrast.
True.
Otoh my GPU came out in 2014 and i have yet to find a current game i can't properly play with it. And all the games are cheaper on PC anyway.
I bought an Xbox Series X mostly for the backwards compatibility for older Xbox and Xbox 360 era games
Meanwhile Sony requires me to STREAM PS2 and PS3 games with a constant internet connection
Also a lot of big deal multiplatform games are still coming to Xbox Series X so I'll still get Resident Evil 4 Remake, Warhammer 40k: Space Marine 2,and Elden Ring expansion DLC among others
Meanwhile Sony requires me to STREAM PS2 and PS3 games with a constant internet connection
Also a lot of big deal multiplatform games are still coming to Xbox Series X so I'll still get Resident Evil 4 Remake, Warhammer 40k: Space Marine 2,and Elden Ring expansion DLC among others
Reminds me of my childhood, all the local kids rushing down to the playground after school to smash bricks together.
Kids today will never experience or understand the simple pleasure and unbridled joy of it all.
*wipes away nostalgic tear*
I don't know if this question makes sense with the reality of the modern digital economy.
Microsoft will continue their involvement in games as long as there are games. They're an institution that is too big to fail and too entrenched to ignore. They are Facebook, they are Exxon-Mobile, they are the US military.
It's just that I don't think "playing in the video game market" means "selling the most units." Be it games, or consoles. or operating systems, or even necessarily subscriptions, though the latter is pointing to what the real game is.
And that is our data. Remember that the real economy of digital economies is consumer data and mental investment.
And in these discussions we have to always remind ourselves that "games" includes mobile, and no discussion about Microsoft must come from the Activision-Blizzard-King acquisition, which itself must focus on King. Hilariously, that part is often left out in discussions because of the pissing match with Sony in front of regulators seems to be about Call of Duty. Frankly, the conspiracy theorist in me is wondering if that is just a smokescreen because even worrying about CoD seems like such small thinking.
Frankly if I were in charge of XBox I would make Starfield my last big game. Let Bethesda and Arcane handle the "prestige" money-burning stuff for the sake of branding and portfolio diversity but go all-in on streaming, subscriptions, and mobile.
Read a while back that it is Sony that needs to worry. Sony is a decent size electronics company. Microsoft is a world destroyer. It is gargantuan. It can afford to piss Sony money down stream and laugh about it. I'm sure they think Sony is really adorable. I am not a fan boy: I have just about everything 
... up to Gen 9 of which I own nothing unless you call the Steam Deck part of Gen 9. Or that I will likely build my last gaming PC next year. But I calls 'em like I sees 'em. Microsoft is not even sweating any of this.
Youtuber "Extra Credits" posted in the 2000s or so, during Gen 7, that kids one day would look at us console owners the way we look at kids who went through tons of quarters in arcades in the 80s. Gaming is changing. Microsoft seems to know this, hence games porting to PC so quickly and so much emphasis on Gamepass.
All of this is good for consumers. We've never had choices this wide and varied. And that isn't counting all of those retro systems on Amazon boasting 10s of thousands of games on them (Dunno how that is legal!). It is good to be us.
... up to Gen 9 of which I own nothing unless you call the Steam Deck part of Gen 9. Or that I will likely build my last gaming PC next year. But I calls 'em like I sees 'em. Microsoft is not even sweating any of this.Youtuber "Extra Credits" posted in the 2000s or so, during Gen 7, that kids one day would look at us console owners the way we look at kids who went through tons of quarters in arcades in the 80s. Gaming is changing. Microsoft seems to know this, hence games porting to PC so quickly and so much emphasis on Gamepass.
All of this is good for consumers. We've never had choices this wide and varied. And that isn't counting all of those retro systems on Amazon boasting 10s of thousands of games on them (Dunno how that is legal!). It is good to be us.
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> Read a while back that it is Sony that needs to worry. Sony is a decent size electronics company. Microsoft is a world destroyer. It is gargantuan. It can afford to piss Sony money down stream and laugh about it. I'm sure they think Sony is really adorable.
I mean, yeah.
At me last job (IT manager and analyst), I heard myself making the case to our CIO that the organization should just completely move all operations to Microsoft services. Cloud infrastructure, development hosting, data servers, deployment management, etc. I then went home and apologized to my teenage self because we all HATED Microsoft. But it is what it is.
Video game consoles? Cute. They just added the big scary AI tech to their search engine, and just announced they're going to add it into Word and Excel. You know, the things offices still use for everything. They relatively don't care about consumers when they are dealing with businesses.
Their consoles might go of the way of their phones and tablets and music player. Oh yeah, they have those, nobody cares, so what. Make all the Zune jokes you want, they will cash in on selling, supporting, breaking, and charging to fix the world's digital data storage.
I mean, yeah.
At me last job (IT manager and analyst), I heard myself making the case to our CIO that the organization should just completely move all operations to Microsoft services. Cloud infrastructure, development hosting, data servers, deployment management, etc. I then went home and apologized to my teenage self because we all HATED Microsoft. But it is what it is.
Video game consoles? Cute. They just added the big scary AI tech to their search engine, and just announced they're going to add it into Word and Excel. You know, the things offices still use for everything. They relatively don't care about consumers when they are dealing with businesses.
Their consoles might go of the way of their phones and tablets and music player. Oh yeah, they have those, nobody cares, so what. Make all the Zune jokes you want, they will cash in on selling, supporting, breaking, and charging to fix the world's digital data storage.
If that happens then it’s a win for Sony anyways
It would also kinda prove that all the money in the world won’t buy game quality. By all rights they should’ve shut Sony out 7th gen, but they fucked up on hardware design. Sony also out of necessity doubled down on just making a bunch of outstanding games, despite architectural challenges that GabeN said developers would need to “sweat blood” to take advantage of. Strictly speaking of the gaming industry, who else could’ve stumbled before a giant and still come out on top?
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Yes, but that is where it seems to be headed.
Microsoft will be fine but that doesn't mean that XBOX will have a future. XBOX always had the problem that nearly everything it got was available on PC but not the other way around (because you need a whole new UI and controller support).
Microsoft will be fine but that doesn't mean that XBOX will have a future. XBOX always had the problem that nearly everything it got was available on PC but not the other way around (because you need a whole new UI and controller support).
I said back in the Xbone days when they made this choice that it was a dumb thing to do because it completely invalidates the reason for Xbox existing.
GamePass machine. It really is the Roku of gaming at this point, and honestly ain't nothing wrong with that.
A lot of people (ie casual consumers) want nothing to do with gaming PCs though either. So it would be for them, but even that only goes so far when the platform holder has yet to truly capitalize on its investment.
In short, they should really just stick with what they’re proven to be good at. They don’t need their fingers in every pie.
Yeah but then why are the ultra casual gamers picking playstation over xbox. Sales figures show that the games are selling on PC and playstations are outselling xboxes. So if people are buying the xbox games on pc, but not buying xboxes, that would suggest that putting the games on PC was a mistake for the xbox brand and directly hurt people wanting an xbox.
It being the Roku of gaming ain't exactly the problem. How Microsoft has been handling it for nearly a decade, is a problem. We've already been through this so I'm not going to go through it again. DRMing and auto renewing (by default) sucks.
Things are changing so much. I have such a backlog I'm not interested at this time in having Gamepass/other. But, there are so many others. EA, Ubisoft, Amazon through Luna, that you can get an account and have a ton of games you can play streaming in HD over Amazon Fire devices (I assume Google Chrome sticks and Roku as well.). I think they need the Xbox to differentiate their service from others. For now. Sony has its own services but I don't think they're on par with Xbox so Xbox may be "winning" the future.
Well, yeah there’s that too. Microsoft cornered themselves into a lose/lose situation. Xbox exclusivity leaves PC gamers out in the cold and wondering wtf, and putting their Xbox games on PC trivializes the position of Xbox as a “must have”.
@Old_Hunter_77 is correct in that its main purpose basically has…(d?)evolved into a glorified Roku, which only serves to partially fulfill their original vision of “a PC in every living room”.
Microsoft hardly had a choice.
As a developer you want to sell as many copies as you can. And as XBox is so similar to PC as hardware and OS is concerned, porting in that direction is cheap. If Microsoft wanted developers to not make their games available for PC and thus sell only half the copies, they would have needed to sweeten the deal. A lot.
Game developers have no inherent interest to push XBox, They would have needed to be paid to do so. But consoles are loss leaders and Microsoft needs the margins on the games. So they coudn't pay developers more to get lots of exclusives.
They might have been able to do it if they had enough In-House games. But they never did.
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And now other things have changed as well. It used to be that PCs were expensive, difficul and rare. But more and more people need one for other stuff anyway or have to work with one and thus know how to use them. Honestly, nowadays more households have a PC than a TV ( lack of TVs is of course another problem for consoles)
And you now trivially can play every current game on a 5 year old mid budget machine. That was very different a decade or two ago. PC gamers don't need the newest hardware anymore.
Together that mean PC is more accessible than ever. And XBox, which is at its core a budget PC with controller might just die.
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So, now i am going back to playing Atelier Ryza on PC.
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Bullshit, that's the entire reason they've been and are trying to buy up studios. They are trying to build an exclusive library, they are just fucking that up.