How the hell is that (not) acceptable?

[Lunatic High]

No need to start an argument here, buddy. He was simply stating that you were a little hypocritical in your post, he didn't mean it as a personal attack against you. You had your opinion and then he had his. There's my little "grunt of disapproval". I'm now moving on.

Its ok pal, I quite like replying to these kinds of posts.

Making out in public, I mean REALLY making out we're talking Gene Simmons tounge action here. Or even just regular frenching, to me it always appears to make people uncomfortable for reasons I don't quite get I mean what real concern is it of anyone elses other than envy if you ask me.

My gf and I were kicked out of a bus transit station just for this, well that could be considered the cause of the interation between ourselves and transit security and I know that we were basically kicked out because cause I called the fat prick an envious nazi essentially, I suppose I didn't have as good a control on my temper when I 19, but still just the fact that the guy came up to us and told us "either don't do that, or take it somewhere else" all matter of factly. There is a polilte and adult way to deal with any situation.

have another read of that last paragraph and try to spot the hypocrisy

So what's your point?

For starters 1. Who cares?
2. What are you gonna do about it?
3. If you didn't like reading why post a reply? (HIPOCRACY ALERT!!)

Just make your annoying little grunt of disaproval and move on. Being able to spot hipocracy dosen't make you smart you know, and commenting on it without development of an opinion as to why you disagree in the first place just makes you sad and you shouldn't make waves if you're not willing to get wet, that's just cowardly, but I suppose thats something total anonymity is good for. For both our sakes.

It seems you also don't have control over your temper now.

OK, I'll bite, lets go.

What's my point? Don't ask people to deal with things in a 'polilte and adult way' if you aren't willing to do the same.

1. Me. So someone asked you to stop doing something and you called 'the fat prick' an 'envious nazi'. Yes that seems like the 'polilte and adult way' to deal with this situation. I dislike people who give other people shit just for doing their jobs.

2. Aside from call you out on being a hypocrite? Nothing. It's an internet forum. I'm not really sure as to what else you think I could do about it, this just seems like unnecessary posturing.

3. So in your world if people don't like a post they should just sit there, shake their head and tut? No thanks.

Total anonymity? Click my profile. I have a picture of myself right there. There's a link to my FaceBook page aswell. More pictures are available there. Admittedly I change my name on FB when I get bored, so it's rarely my own, but if you care so much my name is Ian Cottam. I have nothing to hide.
Although that last paragraph is a mess and I'm still struggling to understand what it's trying to say.

Alright fair enough I could've deffenitly made that a little clearer. I don't like it when people get shit for doing their jobs either been there enough times. However this incident occured when I was 19 that was 6 years ago, but there is a difference between doing your job politly as your supposed to and being an utter dick about it like he was. If he had said "excuse me could please stop" wouldve got a much more polite response than what I basically gave him, I wouldn't have liked it but I would've complied, but that doesn't matter now anyway. Its just that when I read such a short answer I immedeatly assumed condecension which happens to be one of my "triggers" when I'm not careful about it which I wasn't. Now for the sake of this thread I'm gonna leave at this, cause in hindsight this whole inncident is just a little silly, and I apologize for my overreation.

 

[Easton Dark]

In queensland you can have vaginal sex or oral at 16 but the age of consent for buttsex is 18.
AND NOW YOU KNOW.

That makes 0 sense to me. For one, if the point of the AoC is give a specific age where you can consent to an act legally, what's the difference between saying "Stick it in the front" and "Stick it in the back"?

And if the alternative motive for the AoC is to ensure you're at an age to get a job in case baby making does happen, Vaginal should be 18 with the other 2 at 16. Those 2 kind of go together anyway.

Queensland, you're weird.

 

[Eamar]

Homosexual sex in Greece was all older men screwing younger men. If the older man wished to be penetrated, that was considered shameful. Also, homosexual sex between women was taboo there, which is why the poetess Sappho gained such notoriety with her unabashed love for women. It wasn't some Gay Paradise like people seem to think.

Actually, as far as we can tell anal sex was pretty rare. It does seem that being penetrated was considered shameful (for both older and younger men), and that's why most depictions and descriptions we have of gay relationships from the period favour intercrural sex.

Also, Sappho was celebrated as one of the greatest poets of all time, and she remained popular well into the Roman era, so her supposed homo/bisexuality didn't exactly hold her back.

Not saying it was a "gay paradise" or anything, just that sexuality was WAY less of a big deal.

Sorry for jumping in and correcting you. I'm a(n ex-)Classicist, and you'd be amazed how much of the study of Classics has to do with sex

 

[manic_depressive13]

That makes 0 sense to me. For one, if the point of the AoC is give a specific age where you can consent to an act legally, what's the difference between saying "Stick it in the front" and "Stick it in the back"?

And if the alternative motive for the AoC is to ensure you're at an age to get a job in case baby making does happen, Vaginal should be 18 with the other 2 at 16. Those 2 kind of go together anyway.

Queensland, you're weird.

Nothing to do with logic. It's because Queensland is very homophobic.

 

[snappydog]

As a sort of extension on the nudity thing, why is it usually (in my experience) considered perfectly acceptable for women to ogle men - y'know, in an overtly sort of lusty/ sexual way - but not for men to do the same to women? If we do it to them, we're sick perverts apparently.

 

[LadyRhian]

Why is having sex wrong without the production of a baby, It feels good and plays a very large very integral part in Human relationships in addition to the reproduction?

Religion. Any sex where you *don't* go forth and multiply is bad.

Nudity, Holy shit we all have the same parts (guys and girls) if you see them enough they stop becoming something that you drool over or freak out about.

In addition to nudity being bad we are somehow okay with murder/war/violence/blood those are the things that should really be gross and taboo. It is the end of life, it should cause fear and the willies inside of you, not something as common and mainstream as sex and nudity.

I agree, but certain people think that kids are mentally harmed by seeing adult size parts. They think theirs will never measure up and feel bad about them. I dunno. Just saying, "You're small, you have to grow up to have adult size parts, and everyone is different in size, even as adults." Would fix that. But nudity is not very comfortable. Clothes shield us from the sun, protect us from bugs and dirt, and provide warmth in cold weather. Nudity tends to be taboo in cultures where going naked could literally be the death of you. And just imagine getting sunburned in places where clothing covers you, and how painful that would be!

Drugs being illegal, The majority of drugs are plants or plant matter, they were all legal for 7000+ years and within the last 50 years we made them all illegal...? Seriously we made it to this point with them being around us, many cultures used them daily or had ceremonies dedicated to them, and the death tolls were very low, yet here we are.

Public safety. Most of the cultures where drugs are used in ritual do not use them recreationally. Even Peyote is considered sacred. You don't see Native Americans dropping a Peyote button "just because". They do it as part of a ritual and are raised to think of that as sacred. Most people from cultures where drugs are not used as part of ritual will abuse it because they don't view those drugs as sacred. And there was a time when stuff like cocaine, morphine and marijuana were more used (and abused), and they stopped people from putting them into patent medicines because of the harm it did them. They used to put morphine in "infant soother", to make the kid stop crying, and some people dosed their kids so much that the kid was always listless and underweight, not to mention addicted. Stuff like that is why drugs got made illegal- People misusing and abusing them.

People not parenting anymore, no one wants to be a parent to their child now and days they all want to be their friend. Every little child I meet in my area is spoiled to all hell, and their parents never do anything about it. I watched a kid throw a tantrum in a supermarket for almost 30 minutes the whole time that was happening his mother did absolutely nothing, just sat there watching him do it.

I have way more as well.

On this, I will agree with you. Kids need to be parented. Spoiled kids turn into spoiled adults, and its horrible when parents don't do the job they are supposed to do. That's why I think you should need a license before pumping out kids. If you can't raise 'em right, you shouldn't be having them.

Homosexual sex in Greece was all older men screwing younger men. If the older man wished to be penetrated, that was considered shameful. Also, homosexual sex between women was taboo there, which is why the poetess Sappho gained such notoriety with her unabashed love for women. It wasn't some Gay Paradise like people seem to think.

Actually, as far as we can tell anal sex was pretty rare. It does seem that being penetrated was considered shameful (for both older and younger men), and that's why most depictions and descriptions we have of gay relationships from the period favour intercrural sex.

Also, Sappho was celebrated as one of the greatest poets of all time, and she remained popular well into the Roman era, so her supposed homo/bisexuality didn't exactly hold her back.

Not saying it was a "gay paradise" or anything, just that sexuality was WAY less of a big deal.

Sorry for jumping in and correcting you. I'm a(n ex-)Classicist, and you'd be amazed how much of the study of Classics has to do with sex

No, perfectly okay! I enjoy being corrected on stuff like this, because it gives me an opportunity to learn. And I thought Sappho was considered rather "notorious" in her time for what she wrote- yes, her stuff was popular, but because it was written to other women, it was considered somewhat risque...

 

[LaughingAtlas]

I've got a theory on the swear thing, forgive me if it's been said already. Maybe it's that people generally swear when angry/annoyed/in pain and people associate those words with the negative feelings, which makes them uncomfortable enough to demand that the words, whether said in angry tones or not, not be said. Ever. Makes me want to shout the names of random fruit or insects when agitated, see what can be made into an 'offensive' term. USB not fitting in the slot properly, "APRICOT!" Stub toe, "CENTIPEDE!" Fall in a ditch, "SON OF A POTATO!" (which is actually a vegetable, but that probably doesn't matter)

OT: I can guess, but still don't quite understand why the concept of death makes people uncomfortable. I don't mean "Hey, ever thought about dying? I bet it's a jolly old time down the River Styx!" Just bringing up that people are not immortal makes some people act like the room is filling with poison gas. Maybe the whatever-the-pineapple-it-is that comes after life being unknown is a tad scary, but I've seen people that are mere enunciation from denying their mortality altogether.

In a course I had last semester, the professor liked to have a student play a song at the start of class, when my turn came, I chose this:

The class seemed perturbed and said it was depressing. I asked if anyone happened to catch that one line they repeated a few times, the title of the song, "Yea," said the professor, "But they're talking about death!" I felt I had missed something...

 

[Eamar]

No, perfectly okay! I enjoy being corrected on stuff like this, because it gives me an opportunity to learn. And I thought Sappho was considered rather "notorious" in her time for what she wrote- yes, her stuff was popular, but because it was written to other women, it was considered somewhat risque...

Well, I suppose a bit of scandal and notoriety never hurts when it comes to getting your name out there I imagine that, while certainly unusual and a bit risque that she was writing about women (though you *could* argue that she was assuming a male persona or something), most of the disapproval would have stemmed from her being so independent.

I guess she may have been saved from too damaging a scandal since there just hasn't been as much public recognition of the concept of female homosexuality throughout history as there been for the male version...

 

[Matt King]

Swearing. I mean you can say poop or pee pee but not shit or piss. How fucked are we as a society when a sound is taboo? No one cares about the meaning, everybody poops after all. But when people start shitting, that's offensive.

whis is swearing immature when it's called adult language

 

[Dogstile]

- I never understood how somebody who's 17 and 364 days is off limits, but the day they turn 18, they are fair game . It seems odd that somebody who is 16 or 17 is deemed "unable to give consent"
varies by region but the point still stands). Although, once somebody is into their mid-20s they shouldn't be dating that young anyway, I'm talking more about people ages 18-22 who get pinned for statutory rape.

Because there has to be a cut-off point, and on that age it is recognised they should have undergone enough development to be able to give informed consent.

I think there would be far, far less trouble if it was determined on a case-by-case basis, since there are plenty of 16 year olds that are far more mature and able to give consent than many 18 or 19 year olds.

Additionally, not just are some kids more emotionally mature (as in, they don't ACT immature), brain development is significantly different for everyone, to the point where comparing two 16-year olds and putting them on the same legal level is just...illogical and counterproductive.

Edit: But that's just me. I think that arbitrary cut-off points are horribly, horribly wrong for something like sexuality, and really only make sense for stuff like politics, where maturity is not that large of a factor compared to just basic intelligence.

Sounds to me like you just wanna boink someone under the age of 18, otherwise why would this be an issue?

Then take it from me, considering my current partner for "fun times" is over 18 and I still think the law is stupid

 

[zehydra]

Homosexuality. Ancient Greece is known as one of history's greatest empire and they practically relished homosexuality, but now a large portion of our society downright abhors it. Pisses me right off and makes me wish I lived in ancient Greece.

And pederasty too!

Homosexual sex in Greece was all older men screwing younger men. If the older man wished to be penetrated, that was considered shameful. Also, homosexual sex between women was taboo there, which is why the poetess Sappho gained such notoriety with her unabashed love for women. It wasn't some Gay Paradise like people seem to think.

As for the nudity taboo, that comes from America being founded by Puritans and religious dissenters. After all, one of the punishments God gives Adam and Eve when they were thrown out of the Garden of Eden is being ashamed of their nakedness and having to cover themselves. As for why it's okay for men to show nipples but women not, well, women's nipples, because they are used for breastfeeding, are considered a sexual area (plus, unlike most other primates, we have these sacks of flesh that make them stand out- other primates only have the sacks of flesh when breastfeeding). So, as a sexual area, they have to be covered- just like the groins of men and women.

Isn't it true that women find abs to be sexual?

 

[Lt._nefarious]

Vagina... The word, that is... I don't get why people (in my area anyway) just can't say it... They can say dick, ****, tits and so forth but if I say vagina the guys sort of blush and turn away... I don't get it... I've said it around women and they don't seem to mind but the guys I know consider it taboo and flatout pretend to not know me if I say it in earshot of a woman...

(sorry if my ramblings are incomprehensible)

 

[GiglameshSoulEater]

I think there would be far, far less trouble if it was determined on a case-by-case basis, since there are plenty of 16 year olds that are far more mature and able to give consent than many 18 or 19 year olds.

Additionally, not just are some kids more emotionally mature (as in, they don't ACT immature), brain development is significantly different for everyone, to the point where comparing two 16-year olds and putting them on the same legal level is just...illogical and counterproductive.

Edit: But that's just me. I think that arbitrary cut-off points are horribly, horribly wrong for something like sexuality, and really only make sense for stuff like politics, where maturity is not that large of a factor compared to just basic intelligence.

But then you would have to set up a organisation or something to determine it. How would you even do it? Have them go in for an interview? Would you have to apply to have sex for the first time? What and how would you set an acceptable level of 'maturity' (something that has no direct scale) and even then it would have to have a cut off level of maturity, otherwise some people would be in limbo whether they could or not.

There's no practical way to set up such a system. And surely you can't ask parents whether they think their child is mature enough. It would be embarrassing for the parents and humiliating for the poor little bastards. And what if someone always acts immature? Would they be banned from sex for life? Quite simply, such a case-by-case basis would be impossible to implement.

The only practical, reasonably effective way is to have it set at an age they have physically and thus mentally matured enough to be able to give informed consent. And even this is of a variable nature - in Britain, its 16, while in America its 18.

 

[someonehairy-ish]

*Points at the vast majority of things the Catholic Church has ever said* <-- all of that shit.

Also arbitrary age limits on things. Grr. Why is it cool for me to get with a 17 year old here but in america I'd have to wait? Why did I have to wait until I was 18 to legally buy alcohol?

Surely it makes more sense for people to be allowed to buy alcohol legally before they can drive legally. That would give them time to get to know their limits and get the whole 'binge drinking' phase out of the way before they begin to drive. Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid STUPID, GRAAARH.

Also, someone tell me what the fuck makes weed worse than tobacco and alcohol?

 

[Easton Dark]

That makes 0 sense to me. For one, if the point of the AoC is give a specific age where you can consent to an act legally, what's the difference between saying "Stick it in the front" and "Stick it in the back"?

And if the alternative motive for the AoC is to ensure you're at an age to get a job in case baby making does happen, Vaginal should be 18 with the other 2 at 16. Those 2 kind of go together anyway.

Queensland, you're weird.

Nothing to do with logic. It's because Queensland is very homophobic.

I guess my critique still stands.

They would definitely not appreciate my sentiments on this matter, no sir. I'd campaign for early anal!

Also arbitrary age limits on things. Grr. Why is it cool for me to get with a 17 year old here but in america I'd have to wait?

The age is not the same in every state. Some states it's 14. Some 18. Others in the middle.

Mexico is 12, so the lower aged states can say "See, we're still not as pedophilic as those people."

 

[Yoshemo]

For everyone saying why they don't understand why people don't like swearing, why do you swear then?

Swearing exists in every language and every culture, and even different age groups. The words are different, but all of them use the words for emphasis or to express displeasure. Swearing actually helps relieve stress. Whether you say "oh shit" or "oh sugar," the usage is the same and it'll have the same effect

 

[Marcus McLean]

It seems when people become bronies they completely lose all sense of perspective on how other non-fans view them and why.

Most people who don't use the internet a lot don't even know that a new MLP show even exists and have no idea why there would be a massive fandom for it.

Two years ago, if you saw a guy walking around in public or in school with a beard and a MLP shirt you'd think he shat his brains out, now you can't comprehend why announcing your love of the show to everyone around would make people think you're a weirdo.


Now some of these other things:
Showing remale nipples in public is not okay cause breasts are sexualised, and a lot of places especially the US are still very conservative and the majority are religious.
It would totally desensitise all of us to boobs anyway, so it's not even that bad of a thing.

If we had the option to walk around naked then people would have boners all over the place, sexual assaults would go right up and keeping seats hygienic would be a nightmare.

Swearing in public is tabboo because a lot of people just don't like to hear swearing, particularly if they have kids. It's that simple. Go to a place where most of the patrons would be okay with swearing like a comic store or even a Blockbuster and you can swear all you want.

 

[Frozen Fox]

Yeah i am just going to be a patriot and say swears. It is just kind of dumbfounding to me a word can some how do emotional harm. Phrases okay but that guy is a moron and that guy is a fucking moron are identical in the level of offensiveness.

Honking, in small cities or towns if i hone at someone because they are in the way they act like i am being rude. Okay fine I can hit you with my care if you would rather.

Your room being a mess, I get it when you are at you parents house but my friends ***** about it if we watch movies in my room. To be honest a clean room piss me off, it is so clean and I feel i must keep it that way to the point of stressing me out.

 

[him over there]

Why is it acceptable to wear a Sesame Street shirt, but, not a My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic shirt?

Because MLPFM is "targeted" at little girls. It's the same reason people would look at you funny if you played with barbie dolls.

Sesame Street is gender neutral with regards to its target audience.

MLPFiM has more violence than...I actually don't know of any boy-oriented shows for younger kids. Most stuff on Cartoon Network is pretty gender-neutral, as far as I know.

Point is, MLP is full of violence that a boy could enjoy, and keeps out the frilly foo-foo stuff. Its intended target audience is NOT what the show itself is geared towards (which is pretty gender-neutral, in my opinion).

The thing is MLP is more slapstick. Something like the new G.I. Joe is a stereotypical violent cartoon for boys. I really just wanted an excuse to mention Snake Eyes though. Snake Eyes.

OT: I never got why swears were so evil. Not in public mind because sometimes there are legitimate reasons like it's public and there might be kids or whatever but why is swearing in general regardless of context bad?

 

[Prosis]

Swearing. I mean you can say poop or pee pee but not shit or piss. How fucked are we as a society when a sound is taboo? No one cares about the meaning, everybody poops after all. But when people start shitting, that's offensive.

In this case, it simply depends on your company. If you are out in public, around children, it (rightfully so) isnt acceptable. Its a matter of respect. I have been in more than one situation where I have had to ask someone to watch their language, because I didnt want my kids to hear it. I behave in a similar way, in public, because I know its disrespectful to curse around children, as well as other people. Sure, it may not bother you and I to "color up" our language, but its not everyones cup of tea, and being civil, we should respect that.

All you've done here is repeat that it's considered bad, not explained why. Why are these words worse than any others? My point is it's meaning we should concern ourselves with, not the synonyms used to express it. So shit being unsuitable for kids makes no sense when poop and doo doo aren't. The word "shit" literally just a sound. It seems superstitious and weird to give it this sort of power.

But words do have power. It's the context of the word. Swear words are used in a negative, insulting, or angry context.
For example, Hitler is just a name. There should be no reason why Hitler is any different from Henry, Harold, Harford, etc. Presumably, there were multiple families in the world with the last name Hitler.
But the Nazi party changed that. Although it is just a sound, it is now considered to be a terrible name. Because there are ideas associated with that word- fanaticism, genocide, cruelty, and war.

Another example would be "African American" and the "n word." Both mean the same thing; a non-African person of African heritage. But culturally, they do not mean the same thing. The n word was use historically as an insult to deride and ridicule slaves, and declare them as "less than human." Thus, the n word is a swear word.

Likewise, swear words do have a literal definition. But the words have acquired additional meanings through culture. Negative, insulting meanings. An arguement could be made for s***, but the rest of the words don't really have any justification for use in everday conversation.