How worried about the election are you?

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On a personal level I'm not that worried. Everything's going to be a different flavour of shit sandwich for the next few years anyway.

On the other hand, I worry about what Trump winning would mean about people. That is, if enough people voted for the useless racist ballbag to get him in, it would suggest, to me, a large number of people would rather be ruled by a useless racist ballbag than consider any tiny shift to the left.
 
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What's Four More Years of Trump?

This is a perfect example


Not to you, X who will give it to you Impartially, But this is the issue once again. The Right is afraid of Socialism. The Left sees crap like this happen and the people who are supposed to enforce Law allowing it to occur. The Left isn't afraid of what might supposedly will happen if Trump remains in office. This happened yesterday. It will get worse if Trump wins.
Oh, I get it, but is this kind of nonsense going to magically end with a Trump loss? People who behave as such in that video will only feel even more empowered if Trump loses; it'll be the call to action they need to escalate beyond even this aggressive harassment; they'll feel the need to take "their" country back. Let's not forget, Trump isn't personally (as in face to face) endorsing this behavior; he's not personally sanctioning these people to fight for what they believe and feel (and as I type that, I can easily see how one could argue otherwise; he might not be outright saying "take to the streets in violent outrage," but he "implies," for both side's to interpret however they see fit, that his loss will be a bad thing.) These people already feel this way, be they cops, military or private citizens; Trump's presence and behavior in the White House has only emboldened them. At the least, if Trump is re-elected, they can feel momentarily placated and not the need to go even more extreme than they already are.

Now, that being said, don't for a moment think anything of that line of thinking is my tacit wish for his re-election; I'd rather fight the war with him out of power than with him in it if I have to fight at all. I'd rather start the healing process with anyone other than him, even if that means a bit more immediate pain, but in the event he somehow ekes this one out, the past four years have taught me who I'm dealing with and how to do so as best I can. I know that sounds defeatist, but I assure, it is not; rather, this is the attitude of a boxer who watched an opponent go down in the 6th round only to regain his feet on the 8 count and square up for the second half of the fight: I wanted him to stay down, but I've got another 6 rounds of fight in me if he does...
 

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Oh, I get it, but is this kind of nonsense going to magically end with a Trump loss? People who behave as such in that video will only feel even more empowered if Trump loses; it'll be the call to action they need to escalate beyond even this aggressive harassment; they'll feel the need to take "their" country back. Let's not forget, Trump isn't personally (as in face to face) endorsing this behavior; he's not personally sanctioning these people to fight for what they believe and feel (and as I type that, I can easily see how one could argue otherwise; he might not be outright saying "take to the streets in violent outrage," but he "implies," for both side's to interpret however they see fit, that his loss will be a bad thing.) These people already feel this way, be they cops, military or private citizens; Trump's presence and behavior in the White House has only emboldened them. At the least, if Trump is re-elected, they can feel momentarily placated and not the need to go even more extreme than they already are.

Now, that being said, don't for a moment think anything of that line of thinking is my tacit wish for his re-election; I'd rather fight the war with him out of power than with him in it if I have to fight at all. I'd rather start the healing process with anyone other than him, even if that means a bit more immediate pain, but in the event he somehow ekes this one out, the past four years have taught me who I'm dealing with and how to do so as best I can. I know that sounds defeatist, but I assure, it is not; rather, this is the attitude of a boxer who watched an opponent go down in the 6th round only to regain his feet on the 8 count and square up for the second half of the fight: I wanted him to stay down, but I've got another 6 rounds of fight in me if he does...
I agree with you. I said it's going to be bad either way. But that's talking about the citizens. The police had consent decrees taken away so they know that as long as they pull in the numbers in however way (real or made up), their agencies will back them up. That's because of Trump's administration.

A new administration who doesn't allow that shit to go through and re-instates consent decrees or something like it will actually force Police to pretend to be on the side of impartial law enforcement. The average citizenry will continue to be dicks. That's fine. But I can actually call the cops in that new administration and expect some fairness.
 
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So what happens in a situation like that? A guy runs you off the road and tries to take your phone and get into your car? Can't you shoot them in self defense?
In how I've seen it play out? I take a trip downtown and prove that it happened the way I said it did.

Hopefully, I'm listened to.
 
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In how I've seen it play out? I take a trip downtown and prove that it happened the way I said it did.

Hopefully, I'm listened to.
But it looks like they're trying to kidnap that woman. Taking her property ,trying to get her out of the car. In that moment you can defend yourself, lethally if you feel you life is at risk, which I'd say it was. 'cause the whole point of being able to go downtown implies they didn't get you. What happens when they do?
 

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But it looks like they're trying to kidnap that woman. Taking her property ,trying to get her out of the car. In that moment you can defend yourself, lethally if you feel you life is at risk, which I'd say it was. 'cause the whole point of being able to go downtown implies they didn't get you. What happens when they do?
And this is where we get down into it.

You're talking about logic. Cause and effect. My life is in danger, and I should do something about it.

We're still enraged over the Breonna Taylor case. No knock warrant, no one heard them announce that they were police. Bust in. Shoot Breonna, and her boyfriend calls the cops because he didn't know the cops were there.

He's arrested. The AG won't even allow murder or wrongful death in the grand jury proceedings.

What happens to me if they get me? I swing. I swing hard. I grab anything. I make sure that they earn whatever they are trying to do.

And I will probably pay for it. I will probably be arrested.

How do I know it? It already happened


He was found not guilty in the end. A year after he was arrested.

This is what I've come to expect from America. And it is why I would not let my family members put up Biden signs, I told them not to talk to anyone, and I stocked the house for at least two weeks. Biden win, Trump win, I believe there's going to be cult members looking to react to either.
 
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But it looks like they're trying to kidnap that woman. Taking her property ,trying to get her out of the car. In that moment you can defend yourself, lethally if you feel you life is at risk, which I'd say it was. 'cause the whole point of being able to go downtown implies they didn't get you. What happens when they do?
ObsidianJones is right; he'd likely have more questions to answer than the people he called to report. Reverse the races, and an angry mob of black Biden supporters would not be permitted to just walk away from a complaint called upon them. Need I remind you of the guy shot and killed by police, in front of his kids, when cops were called on a complaint he was actively trying to deescalate?

Honestly, the best we can hope for is a Biden win and when Trump idiots get to their most idiotic, the new administration openly and quickly admonishes them for the sewage-dwelling detritus they are and relegates them to the farthest fringe of the nearest post code outside of decent society where they belong, away from the mainstream.
 

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In short its not happening and Trump isn't smart enough to know why not.
You think Trump is going to get the Supreme Court to declare him President tonight with military backing despite all the ways that doesn't fly, and yet you also think he has to follow a procedure to fire a guy so that guy isn't going to be fired?
 

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Given I know a few healthy people 30 or below who suffered from the after effects of corona for months, I'mma get that vaccine the day it's offered for the wider public.
Not to mention the chance of spreading it to at risk people and making them die, which might be considered less than ideal.
 

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Ok, I'm going to go dark for a while, guys. It's not that I lost faith in Humanity after the 2016 election and I expect the worse, but there was a Trump Train when I was buying medication for my family member... so I lost faith in Humanity after the 2016 election and I expect the worse. I don't want to get my hopes up. I just want the bad news or good news at once.

I legitimately hope the best for everyone.

Given I know a few healthy people 30 or below who suffered from the after effects of corona for months, I'mma get that vaccine the day it's offered for the wider public.

 

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You think Trump is going to get the Supreme Court to declare him President tonight with military backing despite all the ways that doesn't fly, and yet you also think he has to follow a procedure to fire a guy so that guy isn't going to be fired?
No I don't think he'll get the supreme court tonight to declare him President. Not tonight.
 

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Given I know a few healthy people 30 or below who suffered from the after effects of corona for months, I'mma get that vaccine the day it's offered for the wider public.
I wish people would stop pretending ‘less likely to suffer effects from corona” is ‘no effects’. We won’t know the eventual death rate for people younger than 30 but let’s guess .05%. That’s like 60K young people if it goes through the population. And since the US is getting 100k infection per day now, it’s probably going to go through most of the population before a vaccine is ready
 

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I feel like ever since 2012 and Occupy this nightmarish divide and conquer critical race theory garbage had been pushed to distract people from the banker's misdeeds.
It goes even beyond that. Look up "neoconservatism" and "neoliberalism," then see the former in light of the Cold War and the latter in light of Reaganomics.
 

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I wish people would stop pretending ‘less likely to suffer effects from corona” is ‘no effects’. We won’t know the eventual death rate for people younger than 30 but let’s guess .05%. That’s like 60K young people if it goes through the population. And since the US is getting 100k infection per day now, it’s probably going to go through most of the population before a vaccine is ready
Not to mention, there's plenty of room between "dies" and "no effects".