How would be wolfenstein new order and colossus would be if they develop by id Software?

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Ezekiel said:
As usual, people here are defending the latest cinematic shooter. Interesting how the RPGCodexers are much more critical of this linear 40 percent story 60 percent gameplay shooter with crappy stealth crouching parts. And yeah, the story I read on Wikipedia was BAD. The game also seems less serious than the last one. Need I link the retarded nude pregnant gunfighter cutscene again or the interrupted fucking followed by that cheesy line? I can't believe playing so much of the beginning in a fucking wheelchair is a selling point that they advertised so much. This doesn't look good. Doom was good, not great, but pretty, pretty, pretty good, as LD would say.

 

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B-Cell said:
id Software the original developer of wolfenstein
Except Id isn't the original developer, Muse Software is. Id picked up the IP with the third game.

B-Cell said:
and developer of Doom would make new order and new colossus. how will it be like?
If it's anything like Doom 2016? Repetitive gameplay paired with a garbage story.

Ezekiel said:
As usual, people here are defending the latest cinematic shooter. Interesting how the RPGCodexers are much more critical of this linear 40 percent story 60 percent gameplay shooter with crappy stealth crouching parts.
RPG Codex is critical of anything bar "ye olde school" of WRPGs. Not sure why they're relevant here.

Ezekiel said:
Doom was good, not great, but pretty, pretty, pretty good, as LD would say.
At best, Doom was average - lacklustre story made up for my gameplay that was enjoyable 50% of the time, boring the other 50%.
 

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Well, I mean we can take a look at IDs track record in recent years (which won't include Return, that was over 15 years ago.)

Doom 2016 - Solid. But not really conducive to dealing with humans and such. Yeah, you can throw zombies and whatever in Wolfenstein (and the series has gone back and forth with it), but if you start getting into that as a mainline, you might as well just be making a Doom game instead.

Doom 3 has its defenders, but its gonna be a tough sell as a hardcore FPS. If the narrative and stealth gameplay of recent Wolfensteins irritates your FPS experience, I can't say that I'd buy you weren't offput by the attempts at horror elements and that ludicrous flashlight crap in D3.

The other ID title we've seen in recent times was RAGE. Almost an instant joke. Its a bit over-derided as a game, suffering from technical problems more then hefty gameplay criticisms. But despite decent gameplay when you got to it, suffered from a terrible story, bland open world, half-baked vehicle combat.


As a point of note, Wolfenstein 2009 wasn't ID. It was Raven Software. Raven Software was big thing back in the late 90s/early 2000s. Connaiseurs of this time period might recall Heretic, Hexen, Jedi Knight, that one good Voyager Star Trek game, and the original X-men Legends/Marvel Alliance games. Sadly, Activision seems to have obliterated them since and they're now just churning out Call of Duties as one of the rotating studios.
Doom 3 was better than new wolfenstein games easily. even Rage was better.

new wolf games have more cutscene than gameplay and when there is gameplay. its boring.
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
I think B-Cell is the "Worth-A-Buy" guy. Anyone else?
Guy gave Wolf 2 a thumbs up, so, no.
 

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Ezekiel said:
Interesting how the RPGCodexers are much more critical of this linear 40 percent story 60 percent gameplay shooter with crappy stealth crouching parts.
You're not taking them seriously are you? Their main criticism is that you fight on the wrong side.
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
I think B-Cell is the "Worth-A-Buy" guy. Anyone else?
Doubt it. From what I can tell, the "Worth-A-Buy" guy is from the UK. And while B-Cells writing has somewhat improved since he got here, I'm fairly certain he is not a native English speaker.
 

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Bad Jim said:
Ezekiel said:
Interesting how the RPGCodexers are much more critical of this linear 40 percent story 60 percent gameplay shooter with crappy stealth crouching parts.
You're not taking them seriously are you? Their main criticism is that you fight on the wrong side.
Da fuq?

I knew RPG Codex has a cantankerous userbase, but surely they would appreciate that the Nazis are the bad guys here.
 

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Hawki said:
Bad Jim said:
Ezekiel said:
Interesting how the RPGCodexers are much more critical of this linear 40 percent story 60 percent gameplay shooter with crappy stealth crouching parts.
You're not taking them seriously are you? Their main criticism is that you fight on the wrong side.
Da fuq?

I knew RPG Codex has a cantankerous userbase, but surely they would appreciate that the Nazis are the bad guys here.
Only after someone posted that Mitchell and Webb sketch
 

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Canadamus Prime said:
B-Cell said:
the December King said:
. What's the "SJW crap"
the anaya scene where
she took off her clothes and shoot.
most cringe worthy scene ever.
You don't know what "SJW" means, do you?
Yeah. I thought the SJWs were supposed to be againest Naked Titties in games. I don't know what SJW is even supposed to mean. It's just a word people love to throw around because it's something they don't like, it seems.

Much like "Political Correctness" and honestly I don't know what that word is supposed to mean either.
 

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It probabaly would have been more Doom with a different skin. I enjoyed the latest Doom game, but not enough to finish it in a timely fashion or to consider replaying it. I like a story in my games and some personality, other than just being angry and smashing things when something tries to introduce plot into your game.
 

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Dalisclock said:
Canadamus Prime said:
B-Cell said:
the December King said:
. What's the "SJW crap"
the anaya scene where
she took off her clothes and shoot.
most cringe worthy scene ever.
You don't know what "SJW" means, do you?
Yeah. I thought the SJWs were supposed to be againest Naked Titties in games. I don't know what SJW is even supposed to mean. It's just a word people love to throw around because it's something they don't like, it seems.

Much like "Political Correctness" and honestly I don't know what that word is supposed to mean either.
I could be wrong, but I suspect that the SJW aspect is rooted in a narrative that sees BJ needing to be saved from Nazis by a pregnant woman. Her nudity doesn't factor into it...I think? Personally, I would need waaay more context before I concurred with that idea- I mean, in a game with over-the-top moments, why not this too?- but if it annoyed B-Cell, then so be it.
 

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the December King said:
Dalisclock said:
Canadamus Prime said:
B-Cell said:
the December King said:
. What's the "SJW crap"
the anaya scene where
she took off her clothes and shoot.
most cringe worthy scene ever.
You don't know what "SJW" means, do you?
Yeah. I thought the SJWs were supposed to be againest Naked Titties in games. I don't know what SJW is even supposed to mean. It's just a word people love to throw around because it's something they don't like, it seems.

Much like "Political Correctness" and honestly I don't know what that word is supposed to mean either.
I could be wrong, but I suspect that the SJW aspect is rooted in a narrative that sees BJ needing to be saved from Nazis by a pregnant woman.
Bingo bango. It doesn't matter that
Wolfenstein 2 is a game where your character literally dies and has his head grafted onto a new body. A pregnant woman doing action stuff is just TOO UNREALISTIC.

Also for some reason killing Nazis is "too political" now.
 

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the December King said:
I could be wrong, but I suspect that the SJW aspect is rooted in a narrative that sees BJ needing to be saved from Nazis by a pregnant woman. Her nudity doesn't factor into it...I think? Personally, I would need waaay more context before I concurred with that idea- I mean, in a game with over-the-top moments, why not this too?- but if it annoyed B-Cell, then so be it.
Oh, BJ has to save her probably about 12-1. Even that scene its more a case of her shooting first rather then actually saving him due to any necessity. Anya and BJ both kind of look like terrible people for sending her out on the missions while pregnant when they literally have a crew of 30 odd people, possibly more.
 

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B-Cell said:
the December King said:
. What's the "SJW crap"
the anaya scene where
she took off her clothes and shoot.
most cringe worthy scene ever.
...Uh. A woman stripping is SJW stuff now? Do I have that right? Is Dead or Alive Extreme Beach Volleyball a SJW game?

Also we have Doom and we have Wolfenstein. I like both. I see no reason to make Wolfenstein into another Doom when we already have Doom, that mindset is what led to everyone chasing Call of Duty and gave us shit like Medal of Honor Warfighter.
 

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shrekfan246 said:
the December King said:
Dalisclock said:
Canadamus Prime said:
B-Cell said:
the December King said:
. What's the "SJW crap"
the anaya scene where
she took off her clothes and shoot.
most cringe worthy scene ever.
You don't know what "SJW" means, do you?
Yeah. I thought the SJWs were supposed to be againest Naked Titties in games. I don't know what SJW is even supposed to mean. It's just a word people love to throw around because it's something they don't like, it seems.

Much like "Political Correctness" and honestly I don't know what that word is supposed to mean either.
I could be wrong, but I suspect that the SJW aspect is rooted in a narrative that sees BJ needing to be saved from Nazis by a pregnant woman.
Bingo bango. It doesn't matter that
Wolfenstein 2 is a game where your character literally dies and has his head grafted onto a new body. A pregnant woman doing action stuff is just TOO UNREALISTIC.

Also for some reason killing Nazis is "too political" now.
So yeah, sounds pretty over the top then, to me. Do you enjoy the Wolfenstein games in general? Are you enjoying this game so far?

Seth Carter said:
the December King said:
I could be wrong, but I suspect that the SJW aspect is rooted in a narrative that sees BJ needing to be saved from Nazis by a pregnant woman. Her nudity doesn't factor into it...I think? Personally, I would need waaay more context before I concurred with that idea- I mean, in a game with over-the-top moments, why not this too?- but if it annoyed B-Cell, then so be it.
Oh, BJ has to save her probably about 12-1. Even that scene its more a case of her shooting first rather then actually saving him due to any necessity. Anya and BJ both kind of look like terrible people for sending her out on the missions while pregnant when they literally have a crew of 30 odd people, possibly more.
I think my personal peeve in games, at least in single player action or FPS, is getting 'saved' myself, often in a scripted event, or an unavoidable trap scenario (the example of Half Life 2 immediately comes to mind). No matter the saviour, having my agency taken from me in a game really cheeses me. It happens a lot, too...