Okay, I know there's been a bit of a Star Wars fandom Civil War after The Force Awakens came out. Some liked it, some disliked it, whatever. All I know is that even I'M starting to think those of us who disliked it are getting WAY too negative about the whole thing, so I thought I'd try and get a more positive discussion going here.
How would you change The Force Awakens? What would you do to try and, in your opinion, make the movie better?
In my book, one of the VERY first things I would change would be NOT having Poe just Instant Transmission out of the story after the TIE fighter crash. Either kill him off there, which was the original plan, or just have him stick around with Finn. I'd actually recommend the latter if only because their quick bonding session escaping the Star Destroyer was one of my favorite parts of the movie. As an added bit of fun, this also still gives a reason for Poe, Finn and Rey to meet up and NOT have Poe break his promise to BB-8. This also leads right into my next change.
Have Poe fly the Falcon to escape Jakku. Poe was established from the title scroll as one of the Resistance's best pilots, and that fact was pretty well established with the simple fact that the guy was actually able to last awhile while flying a frigging TIE fighter. He's obviously pretty darned good at what he does. As for Rey, you have two options for what to do with her in this scene. You could have her up front and co-piloting/coaching Finn through the modifications she made to the thing, or have her join Finn in shooting fighters. (You could even do a variation of the mid-air pause where she and Finn BOTH shoot down the last TIEs at the same time.)
If Poe was dead instead, I'd recommend just a script change. When Rey and Finn are celebrating and Finn asks "How did you do that!?" Do NOT have Rey reply "I don't know, I've never flown before." Take a frigging page from the novelization. "I have a flight sim back home. I spent SO MANY hours on that thing. Nice to see it wasn't just good for passing the time eh?" Boom. My complaints here are dead in the water.
As for the scene where Rey was fixing the Falcon, no changes here. I REALLY liked this scene.
Next change I would make would be in the escape from Han's ship. I wouldn't change much here, but I would've liked Finn to have been a BIT snippy with Rey over the monster thing. Not much, just a bit of sarcasm over the whole nearly got him eaten thing.
Next the cantina. Again, not much to change here. As much as I dislike the whole "Force vision from a lightsaber" thing, I can at least acknowledge it's use as a storytelling device. That said, make it Luke's green saber. Not Anakin's. The last time we saw that thing it was tumbling into the clouds of Bespin while Luke was holding on to antennas. Aside from that, I'd just have Rey miss a bit more when running from the Troopers.
Actually, by having Poe stick around with the rest of the crew we also alleviate HIS big Gary Stu moment when the ships start attacking. He's on the ground, so he won't be able to do his "Nail two Stormtroopers behind my friends while I'm in an X-wing" thing. (Seriously, can't argue with anyone on this note. This one scene was EASILY equal to the worst of Rey's, if not actually exceeding them.)
Now, you may have noticed that I haven't said much about the vilains. Do I not have much to say there? HA! You wish.
First off, Kylo Ren keeps his freaking helmet on until ONE point in the movie. Till that point, which I WILL mention, that bucket stays on him. Also, find whoever was working on the script who decided to bring up his parentage so early in to movie, and drag them out back to be done in execution style because that was EASILY one of the dumbest things they could've done with him. A big part of the appeal of Kylo Ren was his mystery factor. No one knew who he was, and theories were abound. "He's Luke's son! He's Luke fallen to the Dark Side! He Han and Leia's son! Etc." They should've kept that crap on the hush until the scene with Han and Ren on the walkway. Perhaps drop subtle hints every now and again, but that's it.
That scene is also the point where Ren would remove his helmet. All through the movie Ren should be seen as a intimidating, but VERY unstable individual, and the movie was actually doing pretty well in this regard. Then he removed the helmet for Rey and the effect was kind of ruined too early. We see him with Rey and he's just a man. Keep it saved for the scene with Han though and it ends up having a deeper emotional impact. Ren's not just a marauding madman. He's a scared and confused young man, not certain where he belongs. Keep the helmet on him till this point and the scene carries a LOT more gravitas.
Next up, Captain Phasma. For the love of god, give this woman something to freaking DO! It's like she's here for diversity points! I know they were trying to make a new Boba Fett, but even freaking Fett got more to do! My ideas: First off, give here a couple of scenes with Finn that gives him a REASON to be so eager to toss her in the garbage. From what I saw of their only interactions I didn't see anything beyond what I would expect from a superior officer and their subordinates. How about having her replace TR-8R? As much as I love that scene, having Phasma administering the smack down would at least give Finn a damn good reason for his displayed dislike of her. (Plus, you've got Brienne of Tarth here! Take the blaster away, and give her a freaking melee weapon!) As for how she survived the bowcaster? Easy. "Do you thing this armor is for decorative purposes?"
Next thing I'd change, give us more of a reason to give a crap about those planets. I'd actually forgotten that one of them was the Republic capital. I had less emotional investment there than I did with Alderann.
Next, Rey's interrogation and escape. Now, Rey resisting the mind probe I have NO issue with. Clone Wars showed that Non-Force Sensitives could be trained to resist it, I'd imagine someone who actually HAS the force would be a tougher nut to crack. However, rather than turning it around on Ren, I'd have him get called away for a meeting with Snoke. For Rey's escape, I'd have her attempting to get loose, and just getting more and more frustrated and enraged with it. Added bonus, have the Stormtrooper watching her start taunting her. Rubbing in what's going to happen to her friends soon. Then, with the fear added with the rage the room starts shaking, things start getting tossed around until something large is tossed into the, now terrified, Stormtrooper into some computers that end up releasing her bonds and letting Rey loose. The room stops shaking, and Rey just stands there confused for a moment before running off.
So why make a change like this when I get so pissy over the mindtrick scene? Simple. Telekinisis is quite possibly the EASIEST trick Jedi have. We've seen a, admittedly gifted with the Force, baby using it to mess with it's toys. Plus, we've seen Vader pull off that exact thing near the end of Ep3, and he clearly wasn't in a good state of mind there, so any Jedi training would probably be mostly uneeded to do that. Not to mention we'd have Rey tapping into the Dark Side of the force which would give her a few needed flaws. (In this case, I'd say anger and rage for the most part.)
Plus, I feel like I've been kinda hard on Rey here, so she should get a pretty badass scene like this.
Finally, I would change the final battle between Ren against Finn and Rey. Look, as much as it pains me to admit it, Rey winning that fight isn't QUITE the Sue moment I tend to make it out to be. Ren's injured, his mind is in disarray, it's feasible for him to lose. That said, while it's not a big Sue moment, it is still a REALLY bad storytelling moment to have your primary antagonist lose like this in the first movie of a trilogy. Luke survived Vader the first time due to what looked to be sheer dumb luck, and the next time he tried to throw down with Vader he got the crap beaten out of him. Vader maintained an air of menace and dread all throughout the first trilogy and came off like an unstoppable juggernaut. When he joined the fray, you ran or you died. Heck, even when Luke finally DID beat him in a fight he had to tap into his own rage and aggression to do it.
Ren though? Ren LOST. His first real throw down with the heroes and he LOST. The planet cracking saved HIM. Any dread he could bring with him in the next movies has been utterly shattered. Yeah, he'll be getting stronger for the next movie, but so will Rey. The audience now has to root for the villain to get stronger just so that they'll actually have a movie to watch. It's like watching DBZ and rooting for Feeza to get stronger to stand a chance against Goku.
So my change? Ren fights Rey to a draw, with the Starkiller's cracking interrupting the fight. This way, Ren still maintains an intimidation factor. He's wounded, he's in a bad state of mind, and Rey still had to tap into the force (potentially the Dark Side of it which was mentioned as being the quicker route to power) just to fight him on equal ground! BOOM! Villain keeps his intimidation factor, and gives Rey more reason than ever to actually NEED Luke to train her!
So that's the changes I would make to episode 7. Anyone else got any other ideas? Possibly comments on my own changes? Post away.
How would you change The Force Awakens? What would you do to try and, in your opinion, make the movie better?
In my book, one of the VERY first things I would change would be NOT having Poe just Instant Transmission out of the story after the TIE fighter crash. Either kill him off there, which was the original plan, or just have him stick around with Finn. I'd actually recommend the latter if only because their quick bonding session escaping the Star Destroyer was one of my favorite parts of the movie. As an added bit of fun, this also still gives a reason for Poe, Finn and Rey to meet up and NOT have Poe break his promise to BB-8. This also leads right into my next change.
Have Poe fly the Falcon to escape Jakku. Poe was established from the title scroll as one of the Resistance's best pilots, and that fact was pretty well established with the simple fact that the guy was actually able to last awhile while flying a frigging TIE fighter. He's obviously pretty darned good at what he does. As for Rey, you have two options for what to do with her in this scene. You could have her up front and co-piloting/coaching Finn through the modifications she made to the thing, or have her join Finn in shooting fighters. (You could even do a variation of the mid-air pause where she and Finn BOTH shoot down the last TIEs at the same time.)
If Poe was dead instead, I'd recommend just a script change. When Rey and Finn are celebrating and Finn asks "How did you do that!?" Do NOT have Rey reply "I don't know, I've never flown before." Take a frigging page from the novelization. "I have a flight sim back home. I spent SO MANY hours on that thing. Nice to see it wasn't just good for passing the time eh?" Boom. My complaints here are dead in the water.
As for the scene where Rey was fixing the Falcon, no changes here. I REALLY liked this scene.
Next change I would make would be in the escape from Han's ship. I wouldn't change much here, but I would've liked Finn to have been a BIT snippy with Rey over the monster thing. Not much, just a bit of sarcasm over the whole nearly got him eaten thing.
Next the cantina. Again, not much to change here. As much as I dislike the whole "Force vision from a lightsaber" thing, I can at least acknowledge it's use as a storytelling device. That said, make it Luke's green saber. Not Anakin's. The last time we saw that thing it was tumbling into the clouds of Bespin while Luke was holding on to antennas. Aside from that, I'd just have Rey miss a bit more when running from the Troopers.
Actually, by having Poe stick around with the rest of the crew we also alleviate HIS big Gary Stu moment when the ships start attacking. He's on the ground, so he won't be able to do his "Nail two Stormtroopers behind my friends while I'm in an X-wing" thing. (Seriously, can't argue with anyone on this note. This one scene was EASILY equal to the worst of Rey's, if not actually exceeding them.)
Now, you may have noticed that I haven't said much about the vilains. Do I not have much to say there? HA! You wish.
First off, Kylo Ren keeps his freaking helmet on until ONE point in the movie. Till that point, which I WILL mention, that bucket stays on him. Also, find whoever was working on the script who decided to bring up his parentage so early in to movie, and drag them out back to be done in execution style because that was EASILY one of the dumbest things they could've done with him. A big part of the appeal of Kylo Ren was his mystery factor. No one knew who he was, and theories were abound. "He's Luke's son! He's Luke fallen to the Dark Side! He Han and Leia's son! Etc." They should've kept that crap on the hush until the scene with Han and Ren on the walkway. Perhaps drop subtle hints every now and again, but that's it.
That scene is also the point where Ren would remove his helmet. All through the movie Ren should be seen as a intimidating, but VERY unstable individual, and the movie was actually doing pretty well in this regard. Then he removed the helmet for Rey and the effect was kind of ruined too early. We see him with Rey and he's just a man. Keep it saved for the scene with Han though and it ends up having a deeper emotional impact. Ren's not just a marauding madman. He's a scared and confused young man, not certain where he belongs. Keep the helmet on him till this point and the scene carries a LOT more gravitas.
Next up, Captain Phasma. For the love of god, give this woman something to freaking DO! It's like she's here for diversity points! I know they were trying to make a new Boba Fett, but even freaking Fett got more to do! My ideas: First off, give here a couple of scenes with Finn that gives him a REASON to be so eager to toss her in the garbage. From what I saw of their only interactions I didn't see anything beyond what I would expect from a superior officer and their subordinates. How about having her replace TR-8R? As much as I love that scene, having Phasma administering the smack down would at least give Finn a damn good reason for his displayed dislike of her. (Plus, you've got Brienne of Tarth here! Take the blaster away, and give her a freaking melee weapon!) As for how she survived the bowcaster? Easy. "Do you thing this armor is for decorative purposes?"
Next thing I'd change, give us more of a reason to give a crap about those planets. I'd actually forgotten that one of them was the Republic capital. I had less emotional investment there than I did with Alderann.
Next, Rey's interrogation and escape. Now, Rey resisting the mind probe I have NO issue with. Clone Wars showed that Non-Force Sensitives could be trained to resist it, I'd imagine someone who actually HAS the force would be a tougher nut to crack. However, rather than turning it around on Ren, I'd have him get called away for a meeting with Snoke. For Rey's escape, I'd have her attempting to get loose, and just getting more and more frustrated and enraged with it. Added bonus, have the Stormtrooper watching her start taunting her. Rubbing in what's going to happen to her friends soon. Then, with the fear added with the rage the room starts shaking, things start getting tossed around until something large is tossed into the, now terrified, Stormtrooper into some computers that end up releasing her bonds and letting Rey loose. The room stops shaking, and Rey just stands there confused for a moment before running off.
So why make a change like this when I get so pissy over the mindtrick scene? Simple. Telekinisis is quite possibly the EASIEST trick Jedi have. We've seen a, admittedly gifted with the Force, baby using it to mess with it's toys. Plus, we've seen Vader pull off that exact thing near the end of Ep3, and he clearly wasn't in a good state of mind there, so any Jedi training would probably be mostly uneeded to do that. Not to mention we'd have Rey tapping into the Dark Side of the force which would give her a few needed flaws. (In this case, I'd say anger and rage for the most part.)
Plus, I feel like I've been kinda hard on Rey here, so she should get a pretty badass scene like this.
Finally, I would change the final battle between Ren against Finn and Rey. Look, as much as it pains me to admit it, Rey winning that fight isn't QUITE the Sue moment I tend to make it out to be. Ren's injured, his mind is in disarray, it's feasible for him to lose. That said, while it's not a big Sue moment, it is still a REALLY bad storytelling moment to have your primary antagonist lose like this in the first movie of a trilogy. Luke survived Vader the first time due to what looked to be sheer dumb luck, and the next time he tried to throw down with Vader he got the crap beaten out of him. Vader maintained an air of menace and dread all throughout the first trilogy and came off like an unstoppable juggernaut. When he joined the fray, you ran or you died. Heck, even when Luke finally DID beat him in a fight he had to tap into his own rage and aggression to do it.
Ren though? Ren LOST. His first real throw down with the heroes and he LOST. The planet cracking saved HIM. Any dread he could bring with him in the next movies has been utterly shattered. Yeah, he'll be getting stronger for the next movie, but so will Rey. The audience now has to root for the villain to get stronger just so that they'll actually have a movie to watch. It's like watching DBZ and rooting for Feeza to get stronger to stand a chance against Goku.
So my change? Ren fights Rey to a draw, with the Starkiller's cracking interrupting the fight. This way, Ren still maintains an intimidation factor. He's wounded, he's in a bad state of mind, and Rey still had to tap into the force (potentially the Dark Side of it which was mentioned as being the quicker route to power) just to fight him on equal ground! BOOM! Villain keeps his intimidation factor, and gives Rey more reason than ever to actually NEED Luke to train her!
So that's the changes I would make to episode 7. Anyone else got any other ideas? Possibly comments on my own changes? Post away.