Humiliation

[MONSTERheart]

I've been getting frustrated with recent shooters. Rather, I'm getting frustrated with the melee systems a lot of new games are implementing. A lot of them are just "press B to melee" and then your whip out your knife/fist in less than a second and instantly kill someone (looking at you, MW2). What frustrates me about this is how there is a complete lack of skill. Whatever happened to they days when your knife was its own weapon? It made it so much more enjoyably challenging. Not only do you have to be faster to pull it out, but you also need to be more dextrous with the controller/mouse to win the knife fight. Recently it has just been the first part: pulling it out faster. No longer do we see those fun knife only matches in Battlefield 2, or the satisfaction of humiliating someone with a strong stab to the back in Counter-Strike. Now its just you shoot a guy in the chest 5 and then he lunges at you from 10 feet away and fatally stabs you in the leg. Why did the knife suddenly become so dumbed down? Why is it that 10-year-olds run around faster than Usain Bolt stabbing people despite the bullet holes in their chest say they have 'skill'?

tl;dr bring back knifes as separate weapons, not a lunging insta-fuck

 

[RN7]

Because having an intuitive melee system means balancing to the gun system. And balancing equals alot of management. And alot of management means a shit ton of work. and no one wants a shit ton of work to do.

 

[The Heik]

Because having an intuitive melee system means balancing to the gun system. And balancing equals alot of management. And alot of management means a shit ton of work. and no one wants a shit ton of work to do.

the reason why they use melee as a button rather than a weapon is because actively using a knife in a gunfight comes out in this equation:

gun > knife

hence

gun = win

knives used to be useful, but in a world where gun can fire 900 rounds per minute and be aimed in less than a second, a knife can only really be used in those "surprise" situations.

Go ahead and try using just a knife in MW2. Don't shoot at all. You'll find that you die a very, VERY, lot.

 

[Weaver]

My highest kill streak in the bad company 2 beta was just running around stabbing people with the quick knife. My favorite part about BF2 or even 2142 was "risking" having my knife out (as it's a separate weapon) to get those sweet, delicious dog tags from everyone. Now it's just too damn easy. Hopefully bad company 2 allows mods and someone will bring out a knife mod or something.

Melee used to be VERY hard to do in these games. It was about skill and humiliating your enemies for daring to let you get close enough or having their guard down. Now the knife is more or less the most powerful weapon in a lot of these games.

 

[FalloutJack]

I believe Sean Connary said it best.

"Just like a wop, bringing a knife to a gunfight."

This may be something that these players don't seem to understand, probably because they can't immerse themselves. They don't realize that they are in the fucking danger zone, where you will DIE horribly, more often than not. If they like their little game so much, charging assault rifles with a teeny piece of metal, let 'em join the army and see how fun THAT is. Full Metal Jacket much? Oh yes.

 

[Weaver]

I believe Sean Connary said it best.

"Just like a wop, bringing a knife to a gunfight."

This may be something that these players don't seem to understand, probably because they can't immerse themselves. They don't realize that they are in the fucking danger zone, where you will DIE horribly, more often than not. If they like their little game so much, charging assault rifles with a teeny piece of metal, let 'em join the army and see how fun THAT is. Full Metal Jacket much? Oh yes.

Have you tried Bad Company 2? The problem is you DON'T die from just running around. You can take far too many shots.

 

[Pigeon_Grenade]

well, i have to say That ive found both Systems with there Drawbacks, and both with there perks

 

[Rednog]

Because having an intuitive melee system means balancing to the gun system. And balancing equals alot of management. And alot of management means a shit ton of work. and no one wants a shit ton of work to do.

Go ahead and try using just a knife in MW2. Don't shoot at all. You'll find that you die a very, VERY, lot.

Wait what?
Did you completely miss the people who run around only knifing in MW2?
I'm pretty sure that if MW2 had statistics on most used weapon mine would be a tactical knife and I usually get more kills than deaths.
There are people who have called in nukes with just a knife.
Personally I've gotten an 11 killstreak with just a knife.

 

[RUINER ACTUAL]

I could not agree more!!!! I blame Halo for modern melee systems. I'm not saying they did something wrong, it works for that game, and the gameplay style. Instant meleeing is terrible in games like MW2 and BC2. It doesn't make sense. I've learned to use 10 sensitivity and side step + spin to shoot those fags in the back that run around like they just did adrenaline in L4D. I say remove meleeing from games like those. If you have to rely on your Halo tactics in MW2 to win a CQC fight, go play Halo.

 

[Incompl te]

This is why I love the way TF2 implements melee.

Especially when you have a melee fight with another player. Those fights come down to player skill.

 

[Discord]

So you mean like in Killzone 2 where you could bring the knife out as a stand alone weapon?

Well, there's nothing wrong with that but I want to know what happen to just melee attack with the butt of a gun or rifle it would make more sense and should be a FPS element that could be improved on.

Just think your playing on Mulitplayer and a player comes around the corner and melee's you with the butt of his rifle. Your screen blurs or slows down a bit as is comeing from the dazed reaction to being hit with a rifle. If he hit's you again your knocked out or you can shoot randomly and hope to hit the other player.

 

[The Heik]

Because having an intuitive melee system means balancing to the gun system. And balancing equals alot of management. And alot of management means a shit ton of work. and no one wants a shit ton of work to do.

Go ahead and try using just a knife in MW2. Don't shoot at all. You'll find that you die a very, VERY, lot.

Wait what?
Did you completely miss the people who run around only knifing in MW2?
I'm pretty sure that if MW2 had statistics on most used weapon mine would be a tactical knife and I usually get more kills than deaths.
There are people who have called in nukes with just a knife.
Personally I've gotten an 11 killstreak with just a knife.

Oh I know of the knife r, and even checking on youtube (where if there was an example of this it would have definitely been shown) the ONLY ways that one has gotten to 25 kills has been either because of chopper gunner, which has never lasted on any map I've been on for more than 10 seconds,


or by camping which is a move that will get kills no matter the weapon.


Second, I mention that due to the huge amount of copies of MW2 sold there is a large percentage of online gamers whose skills are not top-notch, and it it more a difference in skill than the knife's seemingly godlike capabilities.

Finally, 90% of every knife user that I have played against has died long before they've sunk the blade in, showing that a half competent player can take down knifers because they can anticipate the enemy's location. For example, with the second video, had I found out that there was a knifer upstairs, I would have used flashbangs and semtex to locate his position and flush him out, then mow him down. The player in the movie also mention that against a decent player his strategy rarely works, so there is further proof.

So I reiterate: It it's not the knife, but the skill, that gets the kill.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

I could not agree more!!!! I blame Halo for modern melee systems. I'm not saying they did something wrong, it works for that game, and the gameplay style. Instant meleeing is terrible in games like MW2 and BC2. It doesn't make sense. I've learned to use 10 sensitivity and side step + spin to shoot those fags in the back that run around like they just did adrenaline in L4D. I say remove meleeing from games like those. If you have to rely on your Halo tactics in MW2 to win a CQC fight, go play Halo.

Now now, if a person uses a method that works for them in MW2, it's hardly a 'Halo' tactic.

Using 'fags' as an insult is generally frowned upon round here too.

 

[ultrachicken]

I think the main problem is that knives are insta-kills no matter where you hit them, but in some games SNIPER RIFLES can't one shot people.
There is a lack of logic there.