Hyperdrive Theory Could be Tested at the LHC

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Meaning that someday I too can pull off the Adama Manuver? Awesome!
 

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popdafoo said:
Oh no... not the Large Hadron Collider... I don't think that hyperdrive could be worth the chance of us all getting sucked into a black hole.


REALLY? I mean, even if a singularity is sustained, those electromagnets would rip it apart faster than it could "Spongify"
 

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Nimbus said:
Only a fraction of the speed of light? I guess that means we could easily travel between planets in our own solar system, but not much else.

Even if we could travel at the speed of light, it would still take years to reach another system. And besides, what would we do when we got there?
Back in the 17th century we could manage voyages between the continents that took months if not years with relative ease.

If it took even 10 years to reach your nearest neighbouring star I'd consider it well worth the trip. It would be an expedition of a lifetime, leaving in your 20's or 30's and returning in your 50's or 60's, assuming you spent 10 years studying the new solar system or should I say new star system.

This video comes to mind:

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Great, now we just have to build a ship big enough to hold a Large Haldron Collider...should be simple enough.

Sarcasm aside that's friggn' awesome.
 

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we all knew that space travel would be coming soon, in the last hundred years we went from inventing planes to having them make daily trips everywhere in the world. Space is the next step! In the next 120 years we'll go from landing on mars to colonizing other systems!
 

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Doesn't this go against Einsteins theory of relativity??
I don't know. Does it? And so what if it does?

Science is always evolving and adapting. Nothing is written in stone. If you want rules and laws that can't been toppled by new evidence and understanding turn to religion.
No it doesn't i misread the article.

The theory states that going the speed of light is impossible due mass increasing as you get closer to the speed of light and so it is impossible to reach that speed because doing so would require infinite force. And yes this theory IS set in stone

See: E=mc^2
 

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CUnk said:
[ And yes this theory IS set in stone

See: E=mc^2
No theory is set in stone. A billion billion positive results cant prove something, it only takes one disproving result to ruin a theory. But some theories have been tested so many times they can be taken to be pretty much guaranteed (well at least for energies we can currently produce. Newtons laws work until you start going really fast)
 

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Anoos said:
CUnk said:
[ And yes this theory IS set in stone

See: E=mc^2
No theory is set in stone. A billion billion positive results cant prove something, it only takes one disproving result to ruin a theory. But some theories have been tested so many times they can be taken to be pretty much guaranteed (well at least for energies we can currently produce. Newtons laws work until you start going really fast)
How do Newtons theories not work at high speeds
 

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Sweet, I hope this works out or at least makes a little bit of progress towards me being able to go to college and change my major from international relations to interplanetary relations and not be get laughed out the door.
 

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Oh my god, FREAKING AWESOME. It'll still be paltry, and we won't be able to do truly interstellar travel just because of that, but it'll sure as hell make things easier if it works! Hope he knew what he was talking about...
 

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Ah I don't think that this theory work for humans (robot only). The best space travel for humans is curently anti-matter, but the problem is it is very explosive and give a lot of energy (100% efficiency). TO give in perpective how this matter is powerfull one m&m size anti-matter is enought fuel to go to mars, But the only problem is that we can't research this matter as a little of this can destroy entire city.

IF you don't belive me look at this point nuclear bomb has about 1-2% efficenty and this has 100%.
 

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I didn't want to be the one to say this, but aren't "Hyperdrive" and "Warp" two different things?

From what I can make out, you still need to accelerate something else to the speed of light to begin with, so, not really much use as far as ship propulsion is concerned, unless it can use mass amounts of photons, then we would have almost infinite amounts of "fuel".
 

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Zenode said:
Anoos said:
CUnk said:
[ And yes this theory IS set in stone

See: E=mc^2
No theory is set in stone. A billion billion positive results cant prove something, it only takes one disproving result to ruin a theory. But some theories have been tested so many times they can be taken to be pretty much guaranteed (well at least for energies we can currently produce. Newtons laws work until you start going really fast)
How do Newtons theories not work at high speeds
You get to modify the equation! If I remember rightly mass becomes a function of velocity and the speed of light.

M = m (1 - v^2/c^2)^0.5

where M is effective mass, m is rest mass, v is velocity and c the speed of light.
 

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sms_117b said:
I didn't want to be the one to say this, but aren't "Hyperdrive" and "Warp" two different things?

From what I can make out, you still need to accelerate something else to the speed of light to begin with, so, not really much use as far as ship propulsion is concerned, unless it can use mass amounts of photons, then we would have almost infinite amounts of "fuel".
You are right hiperdrive is different as this doesn't bend the law of relativity. Warp drive does, the difference is that in warp drive you need a warp buble around space craft that bend (by human eye it breaks) the law of relativity. And this is not impossible as such warp buble could be created and in the next 200-300 years will suerly have this tehnology.

Ow and the main difference is that hiperdrive couldn't go light speed only near, but warp could go beyond light speed and still not breaking einstain theory.
 

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destroyer2k said:
sms_117b said:
I didn't want to be the one to say this, but aren't "Hyperdrive" and "Warp" two different things?

From what I can make out, you still need to accelerate something else to the speed of light to begin with, so, not really much use as far as ship propulsion is concerned, unless it can use mass amounts of photons, then we would have almost infinite amounts of "fuel".
You are right hiperdrive is different as this doesn't bend the law of relativity. Warp drive does, the difference is that in warp drive you need a warp buble around space craft that bend (by human eye it breaks) the law of relativity. And this is not impossible as such warp buble could be created and in the next 200-300 years will suerly have this tehnology.

Ow and the main difference is that hiperdrive couldn't go light speed only near, but warp could go beyond light speed and still not breaking einstain theory.
I thought so, "warp" has been the main focus for years, but the gravity bubble is hard to generate, let alone warp space and time around it, something like that is almost impossible to calulate. I thought hyperdrive was faster than light, not sure how, but I remember reading something and a distance comparison was hyperdrive for a minute or so and warp 9 for a few hours. I don't want to check this but I can feel the nerd in me getting more and more curious.
 

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sms_117b said:
destroyer2k said:
sms_117b said:
I didn't want to be the one to say this, but aren't "Hyperdrive" and "Warp" two different things?

From what I can make out, you still need to accelerate something else to the speed of light to begin with, so, not really much use as far as ship propulsion is concerned, unless it can use mass amounts of photons, then we would have almost infinite amounts of "fuel".
You are right hiperdrive is different as this doesn't bend the law of relativity. Warp drive does, the difference is that in warp drive you need a warp buble around space craft that bend (by human eye it breaks) the law of relativity. And this is not impossible as such warp buble could be created and in the next 200-300 years will suerly have this tehnology.

Ow and the main difference is that hiperdrive couldn't go light speed only near, but warp could go beyond light speed and still not breaking einstain theory.
I thought so, "warp" has been the main focus for years, but the gravity bubble is hard to generate, let alone warp space and time around it, something like that is almost impossible to calulate. I thought hyperdrive was faster than light, not sure how, but I remember reading something and a distance comparison was hyperdrive for a minute or so and warp 9 for a few hours. I don't want to check this but I can feel the nerd in me getting more and more curious.
I didn't see that hiperdrive could go beyond speed of light. About gravity bubble this isn't hard to creat the main problem is powering it (by current theory you need infinitive energy). The same goes for worm hole we have a idea how to creat (on one side gravity and at the end anti-gravity) but powering this thing with infinitive energy this nobody know how to make.
 

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destroyer2k said:
I didn't see that hiperdrive could go beyond speed of light. About gravity bubble this isn't hard to creat the main problem is powering it (by current theory you need infinitive energy). The same goes for worm hole we have a idea how to creat (on one side gravity and at the end anti-gravity) but powering this thing with infinitive energy this nobody know how to make.
Apparently hyperdrive is like driving a road in "subspace", just depends on the thruster speed of each ship. Infinite energy aside, the bubble may not be hard to create, but you would need a very powerful computer to strengthen and weaken the field in certain areas to move in the desired direction. Lets not go to worm holes yet, they are however, very cool.