Hypothetical technology you couldn't adjust to.

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Tilted_Logic

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A few years back my family bought my 80 year old grandfather a computer; he'd never used one before, and when he received the gift - in spite of all our encouragement and joyful faces - he refused to take it. He wanted nothing to do with a computer, or any sort of technology more complex than a television.

Part of me found this highly odd at the time, especially living in an era of such constant and impressive technological advancements. 'Why wouldn't you want to try something that the current generation is so fond of?' I thought to myself.

But recently, after reading a curious science fiction novel, I found myself sympathetic to my grandfathers views.

In the novel (The light of other days, by Arthur C. Clark and Stephen Baxter) a method of looking into the past is discovered. Not time travel, but an actual window into time. Now, initially this sounds like an amazing discovery; we can establish truths in a muddy history, watch the rise and fall of dinosaurs and dynasties, view pinnacle moments in our past.

And then the reality hits you.

You can view anything from the past.

Anytime, anywhere. You know what this means? It means if your neighbour is a pervert, he can watch when you undressed last night. Rabid fans could watch their favorite stars make love. Every single embarrassing and personal moment of your life is available to anyone with the inclination.

So wrap your head around that - the fact you're potentially always being watched. The people in the novel couldn't handle it. The paranoia pushed some so far as to live completely covered/hidden/in the dark. But then there were those who embraced it; made houses out of glass and walked around naked - no point hiding anything at this point, right?

The thing is though, the children born to that generation were raised knowing nothing but that kind of world, where everything is watched. They grew up without shame or embarrassment, uncaring of wandering eyes or the judgement of older generations. (Which is truly how I'd imagine the world should be). They didn't understand why their elders were so self-conscious.

When I think of the future, and attempt to theorize the crazy technological advancements we'll make, I like to think I'd be open to it all; being born in a time of constant change probably helps. But this book struck a chord with me... Even attempting to be open minded, I'm not sure how I'd cope with living in a world like that - where everyone could see everything you do and have done. It'd be such a drastic change from the life I have now.

Anyway, long story short, it got me thinking; is there some sort of technological advancement or a great change the next generation is simply born into, that you don't think you could come to terms with or accept?
Be it something as widely detailed as cybernetics; humans being implanted with technology used to enhance or correct the body (yay for Deus Ex!) - to virtual reality hubs that allow us to explore the world safely, removing the inclination to actually go outside and see things for ourselves.
 

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You won't ever get me to use e-books so you don't even need hypothetical technology for something i won't ever adjust to. I like my reading material in paper, thankyouverymuch.
 

Vault101

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not having physical copies of my games...

yeah I dont like digital distribution...so what *grumble*
 

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Mortai Gravesend said:
Vault101 said:
not having physical copies of my games...

yeah I dont like digital distribution...so what *grumble*
This disturbs me somewhat as well. What if Valve goes out of business? Then what happens to all my games on Steam? Looking ahead at the more distant future that is, in the near future that's not likely to happen. And having a physical copy makes it really feel like you own the game to me...
hopefully they'll do somthing where you can back it up to a physical copy and wont need the internet to use it...or somthing to apease us stubborn gamers,

like how they had those first DVD players that also played VHS
 

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generals3 said:
You won't ever get me to use e-books so you don't even need hypothetical technology for something i won't ever adjust to. I like my reading material in paper, thankyouverymuch.
books I can get..kind of

but comics...nah physical copy is just the way it should be (or why the hell dont the stores ahve volume 1 of freakangles??!!)
 

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generals3 said:
You won't ever get me to use e-books so you don't even need hypothetical technology for something i won't ever adjust to. I like my reading material in paper, thankyouverymuch.
I will have to agree with you there! Nothing quite like holding a book in your hands. Plus I take some silly pride in my bookshelf setup :p
 

Vault101

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Mortai Gravesend said:
Vault101 said:
generals3 said:
You won't ever get me to use e-books so you don't even need hypothetical technology for something i won't ever adjust to. I like my reading material in paper, thankyouverymuch.
books I can get..kind of

but comics...nah physical copy is just the way it should be (or why the hell dont the stores ahve volume 1 of freakangles??!!)
Well I'm not all that stubborn since I've given in and I get things on Steam due to the easiness of it all, plus the sales they have. But it just is something I think about occasionally.
...o.0 youv'e bought stuff on steam?

TRAITOR! get out...NOW!

kidding, Ive bought DLC online..because...well its DLC, (and for some reason my downloads have a habit of corrupting) anyway Ive always bought PC games retail because Ive had no other choice (you cant buy credit for steam like you cAan PSN-oh wait I mean "SEN")

while mabye I wouldnt be so fussed if digital distribution actually WAS an option (hell Ive bought music that way) its more like you said, the line between ownership is blurred
 

Vault101

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Mortai Gravesend said:
Vault101 said:
Mortai Gravesend said:
Vault101 said:
generals3 said:
You won't ever get me to use e-books so you don't even need hypothetical technology for something i won't ever adjust to. I like my reading material in paper, thankyouverymuch.
books I can get..kind of

but comics...nah physical copy is just the way it should be (or why the hell dont the stores ahve volume 1 of freakangles??!!)
Well I'm not all that stubborn since I've given in and I get things on Steam due to the easiness of it all, plus the sales they have. But it just is something I think about occasionally.
...o.0 youv'e bought stuff on steam?

TRAITOR! get out...NOW!
D=

kidding, Ive bought DLC online..because...well its DLC, (and for some reason my downloads have a habit of corrupting) anyway Ive always bought PC games retail because Ive had no other choice (you cant buy credit for steam like you cAan PSN-oh wait I mean "SEN")
Yeah, you kind of have to get DLC online, unavoidable there XP

I don't think you can buy credit for Steam, but then I never looked. And why do you have no other choice?

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no credit card or anything.....I havnt quite aquired all the Items to qualify as "adult" (that and drivers license)
 

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Mortai Gravesend said:
Vault101 said:
Mortai Gravesend said:
Vault101 said:
Mortai Gravesend said:
Vault101 said:
generals3 said:
You won't ever get me to use e-books so you don't even need hypothetical technology for something i won't ever adjust to. I like my reading material in paper, thankyouverymuch.
snip.
...o.0 youv'e bought stuff on steam?

TRAITOR! get out...NOW!
D=

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I have a debit card which I use for everything (its not like I have my money under my matress and I pay for everything in cash) also yeah..I should get my license, though even if I did it would still be more convineint to take the but to work

I figure there are enough things I want in brick/mortar shops and Im trying to save money anway
 

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I guess it's online shopping. Yes I know there are alot cheaper and better deal but I still like phyiscal interaction of visiting a store, seeing a phyiscal copy of the product and buying it. Before you asked, no I don't encounter much problem with it come to bad service.
Going to buy something is one of the reasons for me to go outside in the place and not being stuck indoor all the time and becoming more unfit.
 

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Nope, I'm looking forward to all the new toys. No amount of time will hinder that fact.
 

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usmarine4160 said:
generals3 said:
You won't ever get me to use e-books so you don't even need hypothetical technology for something i won't ever adjust to. I like my reading material in paper, thankyouverymuch.
I will be giving these e-books a try as I hate shit lying around cluttering up the place. If I can reduce an entire shelf to one little tablet then so be it.
I was given a Nook last xmas and to be honest it's actually greatly increased the amount that I read since I can fit about 50 books in my pocket now. XD
 

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Tree man said:
Virtual reality.

I'm paranoid right now, the horror of realizing that my entire life could be nothing but a fabricated program inserted into my mind at my own request no less as a form of escapism would break me into millions of pieces.

Think total recall but with more gore and less bad facial morphing effects.
Virtual reality is basically the ultimate gaming platform. Once we have that, there's nothing else to improve on. You'd be able to play Pokemon in real life, have a zombie apocalypse, and that's only the beginning. I probably wouldn't even care if I spent 23 1/2 hours a day lying on a chair with absolutely no sunlight or human contact.
 

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If the future thinks it has tech up its eleven-dimensional robotic futuresleeves that I won't be able to deal with, I have one thing to say to it: "Come at me bro"
 

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Tree man said:
F4LL3N said:
Tree man said:
Virtual reality.

I'm paranoid right now, the horror of realizing that my entire life could be nothing but a fabricated program inserted into my mind at my own request no less as a form of escapism would break me into millions of pieces.

Think total recall but with more gore and less bad facial morphing effects.
Virtual reality is basically the ultimate gaming platform. Once we have that, there's nothing else to improve on. You'd be able to play Pokemon in real life, have a zombie apocalypse, and that's only the beginning. I probably wouldn't even care if I spent 23 1/2 hours a day lying on a chair with absolutely no sunlight or human contact.
But that's the thing, how do you know if what your playing isn't real and the supposedly 'real' life isn't some delusion brought up by your zombie addled mind.

*Shudder*
But is it important? I mean, if you can't tell the difference between reality and VR then surely you should just pick the best one and live there? That's what I never got about the matrix. Oh no we're living in a VR program where we can potentially live a vaguely agreeable lifestyle rather than running from squid robots and eating tasteless mush. Screw that! Plug me in and use my body as a freaky battery. As long as I don't know the difference I couldn't care less.

Reality is all about perception.
 

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Tilted_Logic said:
...to virtual reality hubs that allow us to explore the world safely, removing the inclination to actually go outside and see things for ourselves.
Like in that movie, Surrogates? Assuming we get to that point, I would be highly uncomfortable living in general if we got there to be honest. I wouldn't want to use a surrogate but I would know that most people would be using one. It wouldn't make me want to kill myself, I would just feel extremely vulnerable (more so that I do now anyway). Especially considering that I wouldn't want to get one on lease and probably couldn't afford to buy one outright. Once enough people get one jobs won't want default humans doing potentially strenuous work.

Surrogates aside, nano-machines. By which I mean, if we get to the point where we can have a nano-machine injection once every X years. If I was born into it fine but having grown up in the age of LOLzsec, Anon and, computer viruses in general, I've seen how vulnerable high-security installations can be broken into. One hack-attack on a nano-machine's programming hub could taint a batch of the bastards and wreck unknown havok on the people who've been injected. I would assume that anyway, the punk kids getting injected wouldn't know or, care.

One more! Teleportation. Star-Trek style wherein all of your cells are broken down and reassembled elsewhere in the space between one second and the next. For this one I wouldn't do it mainly because it would mean I'd be disintegrated in one spot and a perfect copy of me would reappear in another. That copy would go about his business while the original me would be fucking dead. There would be no way of knowing if my current, original consciousness can survive that type of transportation because the only person who can say so is you, yourself. Of course your perfect copy will say "Well gosh, that was easy." but the you who stepped on pod A down the road will have been reduced to less than a memory.

kman123 said:
When games go 100% digital that's when I'll stop gaming. Sort of.
Also this: Once games are 100% digital I'll likely only game on my phone or MP3 player, and on the physical consoles I've collected through the years.

Edit:

I was just on Facebook and found that an ex is in a new relationship. This would be the ex who I dumped flat out and while I'm glad to see that she's moved on, I am deeply, deeply curious as to how she's adjusted. I still can't help but think about random people who dumped me with a bitter taste in my mouth. Unlike the random dumpings though, this is someone with whom I've spent a lot of time; someone with whom I've shared five or six years previously. All that being said, I would embrace the technology to see all things past if only to see how I've effected other people. The dumping was likely the worst single thing I've ever done to a single person (at least it feels like that to me some times) and I am morbidly curious to know what came of her and what became of the other people who dumped me instead. I don't care if future generations watch me relive every horrible thing I've ever done so long as I can get some closure. To go back to Facebook and my ex apparently being in a new relationship, I feel a sense of closure because of it. Still though, I'm curious about the in-between bits.
 

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F4LL3N said:
Tree man said:
Virtual reality.

I'm paranoid right now, the horror of realizing that my entire life could be nothing but a fabricated program inserted into my mind at my own request no less as a form of escapism would break me into millions of pieces.

Think total recall but with more gore and less bad facial morphing effects.
Virtual reality is basically the ultimate gaming platform. Once we have that, there's nothing else to improve on. You'd be able to play Pokemon in real life, have a zombie apocalypse, and that's only the beginning. I probably wouldn't even care if I spent 23 1/2 hours a day lying on a chair with absolutely no sunlight or human contact.
Virtual Reality Zombie Apolcalypse.

BEST IDEA EVER.

That just got me thinking how amazing it would be to actual experience that level of immersion. Someone invent VR NOW.
 

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Mortai Gravesend said:
This disturbs me somewhat as well. What if Valve goes out of business? Then what happens to all my games on Steam? Looking ahead at the more distant future that is, in the near future that's not likely to happen. And having a physical copy makes it really feel like you own the game to me...
If Valve went out of business, in the worst case scenario, it's no different than what happens when the last NES or SNES dies. Consoles don't last forever and neither do cartridges, CD's, DVD's or Blu-Ray's. At least with digital distribution if Valve did go under, there's the possibility of them letting everyone download DRM free versions of what they bought before the servers shut down. Though as OS's and hardware change and companies don't support titles anymore, even playing DRM free games without some level of emulation will become difficult, if not impossible.

To be honest, that secure feeling people get from having a physical copy of a game is largely smoke and mirrors. Thank the interwebs for emulation.

As to the topic at hand, I'm not sure there is a technology I couldn't adapt to, though if there is, it'd be anything that has the potential to violate my privacy as completely and persistently as the window in time mentioned in the OP. I can certainly see the appeal of a culture where nothing is really taboo and everyone is very open about everything, but it's a tough thing to wrap your head around living in when you're as firmly in the camp of individual rights as I am.

EDIT: Virtual Reality ala the Matrix just occurred to me as well. While it would seem cool as a gamer to simply plug into the game and get a completely immersive sensory experience, when the simulation becomes indistinguishable from reality I don't think I could handle that. Not being able to know for sure that you're actually awake and interacting with the real world is a terrifying prospect when you think about it.
 

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Internet in your brain. Sounds great but I will never get it until consumption driven capitalism is well and truly dead.
I'm not a raving left winger, but even the IDEA that a corporation could advertise IN MY BRAIN makes me want to vomit.
Watch the second episode of "Black Mirror" or read "Feed" if you disagree, not saying it'll sway you against brain computers, but you'll at least see what I'm so scared of.