I am watching the first 2 Terminator movies in their entirety for the first time.

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Now first let me get this out of the way, I have seen these movie before, especially the second one. But I haven't seen both of them in a long time and often I never saw them in their entirety. I remember watching the 3rd movies onward in theaters though. But the legendary first two I am watching with more or less fresh eyes.

I am in a classic 80s Sci Fi action movie mood at the moment so I am starting with Terminator, Alien, Predator, Robocop, and what have you.

And this is in preparation for Terminator Dark Fate which is confirmed to come out in October and is bringing back not only Arnold, but Linda Hamilton as well as Sarah Conner and directed by Tim Miller:

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

What would you replace the Terminator with? To make the movies better.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

What would you replace the Terminator with? To make the movies better.

Nemesis:


Instead of a Robotic Human Skeleton, Nemesis can mutate into some Cronenberg Abomination when he gets too much damage.

 

[Wintermute_v1legacy]

Sounds like a shit idea, but it's not as bad as closing R&P and moving R&P discussions to Off-Topic, so there's that.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

I'm starting to wonder if fewer and fewer 80s Sci-Fi movies have aged well...

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I'm starting to wonder if fewer and fewer 80s Sci-Fi movies have aged well...

In what terms, special effects, story and its composition? And what movies you find did not age well?

I think Robocop 1 aged like fine wine.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

I'm starting to wonder if fewer and fewer 80s Sci-Fi movies have aged well...

In what terms, special effects, story and its composition? And what movies you find did not age well?

I think Robocop 1 aged like fine wine.

Special effects absolutely. Plots can be, especially ones set in the far off Distopia of 1999. Anything that requires an apocalypse to have already taken place(IRL) feels dated.
I'm thinking the likes of Space Mutiny, SpaceHunter, hell even what was it, SuperMan 4 with Atomic Man? Woof...

Movies like Alien and Aliens I'm more okay with, because while futuristic, its a very specific genre of futurism, so I'm more willing to forgive as its a thematic choice rather than writers trying to think of what the future will hold(which they never even come close to)

 

[Trunkage]

The first Terminator movie was not great in the first place. It was made even worse by comparing it to T2. T1 is like every sequel after T2. And people are suprised, somehow. T2 was the anomaly.

I'm starting to wonder if fewer and fewer 80s Sci-Fi movies have aged well...

I think, on average, writing as gotten better over the years, but some are still classics for a reason.

Also, I don't know how I feel about criticizing old movies with today's eyes. It's how I realise that original Star Wars is such a mess, and that no new Star Wars coulr compete because we are way better at criticm than in the 70s. But then I realise that most people are just not criticizing the old movies, they only have their nostalgia glasses on

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I'm starting to wonder if fewer and fewer 80s Sci-Fi movies have aged well...

In what terms, special effects, story and its composition? And what movies you find did not age well?

I think Robocop 1 aged like fine wine.

Special effects absolutely. Plots can be, especially ones set in the far off Distopia of 1999. Anything that requires an apocalypse to have already taken place(IRL) feels dated.
I'm thinking the likes of Space Mutiny, SpaceHunter, hell even what was it, SuperMan 4 with Atomic Man? Woof...

Movies like Alien and Aliens I'm more okay with, because while futuristic, its a very specific genre of futurism, so I'm more willing to forgive as its a thematic choice rather than writers trying to think of what the future will hold(which they never even come close to)

We are now ten years away from the grim-dark, gritty warzone Los Angeles as depicted in Terminator 1:

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

I'm starting to wonder if fewer and fewer 80s Sci-Fi movies have aged well...

In what terms, special effects, story and its composition? And what movies you find did not age well?

I think Robocop 1 aged like fine wine.

Special effects absolutely. Plots can be, especially ones set in the far off Distopia of 1999. Anything that requires an apocalypse to have already taken place(IRL) feels dated.
I'm thinking the likes of Space Mutiny, SpaceHunter, hell even what was it, SuperMan 4 with Atomic Man? Woof...

Movies like Alien and Aliens I'm more okay with, because while futuristic, its a very specific genre of futurism, so I'm more willing to forgive as its a thematic choice rather than writers trying to think of what the future will hold(which they never even come close to)

We are now ten years away from the grim-dark, gritty warzone Los Angeles as depicted in Terminator 1:

Yeah but Skynet comes online in 1997
We're over 20 years after the beginning of the end. Its like watching the movie 2012 and worrying the world is gonna end 7 years ago.

 

[Drathnoxis]

What would you replace the Terminator with? To make the movies better.

I think Terminator would be better if it was a shark hunting Sarah Conner and not a robot.

 

[Squilookle]

I always figured the movies should have followed a natural progression of:

T1: human good guy vs solid metal bad guy.
T2: solid metal good guy vs liquid metal bad guy
T3: liquid metal good guy vs... something even worse. Probably projectile based.

And yeah, that does mean getting rid of Arnie. In his old age he's getting harder and harder to believe as a precision designed killing machine.

Also if you're going over the 80s sci-fi action classics, don't forget Escape from New York

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I always figured the movies should have followed a natural progression of:

T1: human good guy vs solid metal bad guy.
T2: solid metal good guy vs liquid metal bad guy
T3: liquid metal good guy vs... something even worse. Probably projectile based.

And yeah, that does mean getting rid of Arnie. In his old age he's getting harder and harder to believe as a precision designed killing machine.

Also if you're going over the 80s sci-fi action classics, don't forget Escape from New York

Ah the movie that inspired Solid Snake's existence.

Also not just Sci Fi movies, but general cheesy 80s action movies like First Blood/Rambo and Commando.

 

[Hawki]

And this is in preparation for Terminator Dark Fate

I'm preparing to be disappointed.

What would you replace the Terminator with? To make the movies better.

Nemesis:

Your opinion is bad, and you should feel bad.

The first Terminator movie was not great in the first place. It was made even worse by comparing it to T2. T1 is like every sequel after T2. And people are suprised, somehow. T2 was the anomaly.

Yeah, disagree.

T2 better? Sure. But I'd easily rank T1 above the films that followed 2, even if I still like T4/5 (3 can die in a fire).

We are now ten years away from the grim-dark, gritty warzone Los Angeles as depicted in Terminator 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0VFIKCjzl0

We're over 20 years after the beginning of the end. Its like watching the movie 2012 and worrying the world is gonna end 7 years ago.

Yeah, but does that make the movie worse? I can still enjoy Blade Runner, even if it promised me flying cars by this year (though thankfully the war isn't quite the polluted hellhole it is in the film yet, so there's that).

I always figured the movies should have followed a natural progression of:

T1: human good guy vs solid metal bad guy.
T2: solid metal good guy vs liquid metal bad guy
T3: liquid metal good guy vs... something even worse. Probably projectile based.

Yeah, disagree there.

Even that there shouldn't have been a T3 aside, the hierarchy you describe does touch on a problem I have with the films (and wider Terminator media as a whole) that there's this constant escalation of what Terminators can do. The TX isn't the worst offender in this, but it did kickstart the trend. The T-1000 was powerful, near invincible, but it didn't reach the rediculous levels we saw later.

And yeah, that does mean getting rid of Arnie. In his old age he's getting harder and harder to believe as a precision designed killing machine.

I actually do agree there though. There's absolutely no reason to keep Arnie around from an in-universe perspective.

T2 did this well, in that if you didn't see the trailers, you'd be forgiven for thinking he's here to kill John right up to the moment he says "get down" and shoots the T-1000. However, after that, we get contrivances. I think T4 actually handled this well, since it makes sense why he's there as the first T-800 infiltrator (he's model T-101, so the first I guess?), but T3 and T5? Not so much.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Sounds like your the world's biggest Terminator fanboy here Hawki.

 

[Hawki]

Sounds like your the world's biggest Terminator fanboy here Hawki.

Squee!

Well, probably not the biggest Terminator fan. I do have plenty of gripes with the franchise. Still, I will admit I am quite attached to it, and probably more forgiving of it than a lot of people, even though I can acknowledge that its heyday was back in T2.

 

[the December King]

Also not just Sci Fi movies, but general cheesy 80s action movies like First Blood/Rambo and Commando.

Man, I dunno- "cheesy" isn't a word I think of when I think of Rambo: First Blood. I found it holds up pretty well, too, all told.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Sounds like your the world's biggest Terminator fanboy here Hawki.

Squee!

Well, probably not the biggest Terminator fan. I do have plenty of gripes with the franchise. Still, I will admit I am quite attached to it, and probably more forgiving of it than a lot of people, even though I can acknowledge that its heyday was back in T2.

So I just finished watching Terminator 1 in its entirety. (Well I skipped a few scenes that I didn't care for but already understood what was going on.)

From a 1 to 5 ratio I give this movie a 3 out a 5. The action here feels simple and gritty. Nothing too crazy. I mean even the car chases here seem realistic enough.

But I am of the opinion that Arnold is scarier when he still has flesh and not when's purely the Robot Skeleton (Horribly dated and bad looking Stop Motion here)

And I just think Predator is cooler then Terminator.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

I always figured the movies should have followed a natural progression of:

T1: human good guy vs solid metal bad guy.
T2: solid metal good guy vs liquid metal bad guy
T3: liquid metal good guy vs... something even worse. Probably projectile based.

And yeah, that does mean getting rid of Arnie. In his old age he's getting harder and harder to believe as a precision designed killing machine.

Also if you're going over the 80s sci-fi action classics, don't forget Escape from New York

Ah the movie that inspired Solid Snake's existence.

Also not just Sci Fi movies, but general cheesy 80s action movies like First Blood/Rambo and Commando.

You need to rewatch Rambo: First Blood again, and I mean really watch it. Because it?s a tragedy, not an action movie. Even the very 80?s action sequel has an undercurrent of the same. And John Rambo/Rambo 4 is brutal in every sense f the word.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I always figured the movies should have followed a natural progression of:

T1: human good guy vs solid metal bad guy.
T2: solid metal good guy vs liquid metal bad guy
T3: liquid metal good guy vs... something even worse. Probably projectile based.

And yeah, that does mean getting rid of Arnie. In his old age he's getting harder and harder to believe as a precision designed killing machine.

Also if you're going over the 80s sci-fi action classics, don't forget Escape from New York

Ah the movie that inspired Solid Snake's existence.

Also not just Sci Fi movies, but general cheesy 80s action movies like First Blood/Rambo and Commando.

You need to rewatch Rambo: First Blood again, and I mean really watch it. Because it?s a tragedy, not an action movie. Even the very 80?s action sequel has an undercurrent of the same. And John Rambo/Rambo 4 is brutal in every sense f the word.

Its the parody video I saw on Youtube that makes me think its a bit cheesy, mostly because Stallone is a bit of a cheeseball himself:


But anyways, I did watch the 2008 movie and YEAH that fucking village massacre was brutally played straight so I am guessing even the older movies were also equally brutal. It was Arnold Schwarzenegger's movies that had the "Cheese" right?