I am watching the first 2 Terminator movies in their entirety for the first time.

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Watching T2 at the moment.

The T-1000 in Human Disguise is way more sociable then T-800 who acts like a Frankenstein monster, which I guess was the point.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Even the animatronic wasn't that great. Stan Winston is great at making models, but when it comes to actually animating these models, its never been that great, even in Jurassic Park I could tell the T-Rex was just a static robot.

The only animatronic that was pulled off well was Jaws.

Are you being cheeky here, because I can't tell? First of all the Jaws animatronic is notoriously garbage. Saying the T-Rex puppet was worse is just.. no. But even if we choose to ignore the puppets in Jurassic Park, Stan Winston is the same guy (team) behind the Predator (from the first movie anyway) and the Alien queen.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Even the animatronic wasn't that great. Stan Winston is great at making models, but when it comes to actually animating these models, its never been that great, even in Jurassic Park I could tell the T-Rex was just a static robot.

The only animatronic that was pulled off well was Jaws.

Are you being cheeky here, because I can't tell? First of all the Jaws animatronic is notoriously garbage. Saying the T-Rex puppet was worse is just.. no. But even if we choose to ignore the puppets in Jurassic Park, Stan Winston is the same guy (team) behind the Predator (from the first movie anyway) and the Alien queen.

"The first Jaws animatronic was notoriously garbage"


Really?

As for the T-Rex I think this ONE shot of the T-Rex animatronic in Jurassic Park 3 is the best looking animatronic ever, in this scene before the guys run away from the T-Rex in the first 10 seconds:


The Alien Queen in ALIENS looks ok though. And Predator is the most realistic of all because its just a guy wearing a animatronic mask.

 

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

The T-1000 in Human Disguise is way more sociable then T-800 who acts like a Frankenstein monster, which I guess was the point.

Yeah, aren't you supposed to think its the same set-up as the first one, with evil Arnie and good human, until the twist is revealed that the human is really a robot and Arnie is working for the humans? Obviously its one of those twists that everyone knows now (and I think was even spoiled by the film's trailer, must run in the family), but I feel that yes, that was kind of the point

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

The Arcade in the Gallaria in this scene gives me such a gaming nostalgia boner:


I always wanted to go to that Arcade when I was a kid.

 

[BrawlMan]

As for James Cameron's other works:

I hated Titanic. The biggest waste of three hours of my life. not as bad as revenge of the fallen, but I would not watch either. I rather throw myself out the window.

Avatar was a worse version of FernGully, dances with wolves, and Princess Mononoke. It's an overhyped movie that at the end of the day is really mediocre, with just really good special effects. And barely anyone even cares about the CGI anymore, since it's become commonplace and done to death at this point.

The Abyss I always found just okay.

Pihrana 2 is so bad it's good. It has flying piranhas!

True lies is a good movie. the only flaw you can really say is that it's not an original property and is a remake of a French film. Otherwise, it's a fun romance comedy with good action.

Alita battle angel - a great sci-fi movie in the best live-action anime ever. I know you stepped down as director on this one, but his influence is still there.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

So everything is now more or less in context.

Skynet created itself in the past?

The First T-800 dead body and arm was found by a computer company that becomes Cyberdyne and Dyson used the arm and chip to make his AI program? So Skynet only existed because it sent a part of itself in the past. Which makes me wonder the whole Self Awareness thing when it launched those Nukes?

So what was Terminator 3's excuse for making Judgement Day inevitable?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Only seen T1 and T2, T3 always seemed like it was just a copy of T2 that didn't really tell a different story just gave this round's Terminator boobs

It's worse than that. T3 undoubtedly follows a lot of the beats of T2. But what's worse is that it pretty much undermines the plot and themes of the prior films.

Can you answer my above question Hawki?

 

[CaitSeith]

So I just finished watching Terminator 1 in its entirety. (Well I skipped a few scenes that I didn't care for but already understood what was going on.)

From a 1 to 5 ratio I give this movie a 3 out a 5. The action here feels simple and gritty. Nothing too crazy. I mean even the car chases here seem realistic enough.

But I am of the opinion that Arnold is scarier when he still has flesh and not when's purely the Robot Skeleton (Horribly dated and bad looking Stop Motion here)

And I just think Predator is cooler then Terminator.

I see you're watching movies in easy mode. Now let me lecture you about how the movie creator's intended movie experience is the only valid one. /jk

OT: Terminator had an original set up. Two dudes appear in unnatural circumstances, both start chasing down the same person, and the audience is kept in the dark about their intent and nature until they all 3 meet. It makes the reveal that one of them is just a killer robot in disguise more unexpected. What I like about Terminator 2 is how it took that same set up, and subverted it by making the dude we assumed to be the killer robot a friendly one, and the dude we assume to be the human hero a much more advanced killer robot.

 

[Trunkage]

The first Terminator movie was not great in the first place. It was made even worse by comparing it to T2. T1 is like every sequel after T2. And people are suprised, somehow. T2 was the anomaly.

Ha, good one. Oh wait, you're actually serious.

James Cameron misses more than he hits. Avatar and Titanic relied on special FX. Abyss was similar but had an okay concept. True Lies was a parody. Counting his screenplay for First Blood 2, he's had 2 or 3 good movies.

Edit: Make that a definite 3. I forgot Alien

Every movie he's made has relied on special effects, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. Avatar became forgetable very quickly because it was pretty much all tech. Titanic is a terrific movie, the only thing wonky being the romance and DiCaprio. Apart from that the movie is still one of the most impressive combinations of practical and digital. The craft on display in Titanic is impeccable.

And you say 'True Lies was a parody' like it's a bad thing. That is honestly one of my favourites of his, because it's just Cameron flexing his directorial muscles and not taking himself too serious. And you end up with one of the most wonderfully fun action romps.

As for The Terminator, it keeps things simple and is all the better for it. I'd argue better than the sequel. The original has loads of clever little moments woven into the narrative, whereas Terminator 2 needs to speak more than show. T2 also feels the need to mimic the original quite a bit, something Cameron did with Aliens too.

Aliens is probably my least favourite. My dislike for that movie has grown substantially over the years.

Cameron had been special effects, and sometimes cares about the story. True Lies may be my fav from Cameron. It's very different from his normal work. Like he's on vacation and actually having fun. It's the kind of ridiculousness that I can get into. Also, it would make it 4

Also, no thank you on the Titanic. It tried shoving a bunch of unrelated drama.

 

[gorfias]

So everything is now more or less in context.

Skynet created itself in the past?

The First T-800 dead body and arm was found by a computer company that becomes Cyberdyne and Dyson used the arm and chip to make his AI program? So Skynet only existed because it sent a part of itself in the past. Which makes me wonder the whole Self Awareness thing when it launched those Nukes?

So what was Terminator 3's excuse for making Judgement Day inevitable?

May have something to do with Einstein's theory of time travel which IMHO isn't even time travel. He posited that one cannot change time. I'd write, because he wasn't talking about time travel. He stated that if you could, somehow, keep your eye on a town clock and move faster than light, the clock would appear to be moving backward as you'd be looking at old light. It would appear to move forward faster than normal as you traveled back to the clock, looking at ever newer light. But at all times, you are looking at light, older and newer but not actually moving in time. So of course you couldn't change anything that way.

I just went with it. T3 was darker than T2. It had a lot of great action pieces, metaphorically kicked over the chess board (why just chase Sarah around when you can pick off John Connor's partners?) I'm in a minority that would argue that 3 is, in some ways, superior to 2. Don't get me wrong as I think all 3 are fantastic. 4 and *gags* 5 are worth skipping. Save the recreation of 2 scenes in 5. Had they stuck to just that sort of thing it could have been great.

EDIT: BTW: Marty McFly comes to 2015 to experience flying cars. Where the heck is mine already!?!?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

So I just finished watching Terminator 1 in its entirety. (Well I skipped a few scenes that I didn't care for but already understood what was going on.)

From a 1 to 5 ratio I give this movie a 3 out a 5. The action here feels simple and gritty. Nothing too crazy. I mean even the car chases here seem realistic enough.

But I am of the opinion that Arnold is scarier when he still has flesh and not when's purely the Robot Skeleton (Horribly dated and bad looking Stop Motion here)

And I just think Predator is cooler then Terminator.

I see you're watching movies in easy mode. Now let me lecture you about how the movie creator's intended movie experience is the only valid one. /jk

OT: Terminator had an original set up. Two dudes appear in unnatural circumstances, both start chasing down the same person, and the audience is kept in the dark about their intent and nature until they all 3 meet. It makes the reveal that one of them is just a killer robot in disguise more unexpected. What I like about Terminator 2 is how it took that same set up, and subverted it by making the dude we assumed to be the killer robot a friendly one, and the dude we assume to be the human hero a much more advanced killer robot.

Finished watching T2.

So far I think the first one is slightly better because of 1 thing, and 1 thing only, the music. The 80s synth made the soundtrack memorable.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

So everything is now more or less in context.

Skynet created itself in the past?

The First T-800 dead body and arm was found by a computer company that becomes Cyberdyne and Dyson used the arm and chip to make his AI program? So Skynet only existed because it sent a part of itself in the past. Which makes me wonder the whole Self Awareness thing when it launched those Nukes?

So what was Terminator 3's excuse for making Judgement Day inevitable?

May have something to do with Einstein's theory of time travel which IMHO isn't even time travel. He posited that one cannot change time. I'd write, because he wasn't talking about time travel. He stated that if you could, somehow, keep your eye on a town clock and move faster than light, the clock would appear to be moving backward as you'd be looking at old light. It would appear to move forward faster than normal as you traveled back to the clock, looking at ever newer light. But at all times, you are looking at light, older and newer but not actually moving in time. So of course you couldn't change anything that way.

I just went with it. T3 was darker than T2. It had a lot of great action pieces, metaphorically kicked over the chess board (why just chase Sarah around when you can pick off John Connor's partners?) I'm in a minority that would argue that 3 is, in some ways, superior to 2. Don't get me wrong as I think all 3 are fantastic. 4 and *gags* 5 are worth skipping. Save the recreation of 2 scenes in 5. Had they stuck to just that sort of thing it could have been great.

EDIT: BTW: Marty McFly comes to 2015 to experience flying cars. Where the heck is mine already!?!?

What's your expectations for Terminator Dark Fate? Tim Miller is directing it. And Linda Hamilton is back as Sarah and Arnold is back again.

 

[gorfias]

What's your expectations for Terminator Dark Fate? Tim Miller is directing it. And Linda Hamilton is back as Sarah and Arnold is back again.

I think that Feminism is cancer and that Hollywood has been drafted into its cause. To see 3 women on the first promo pic for the movie is, after Star Wars with Admiral Gender Studies helping to destroy the series, very disquieting.
But Tim Miller has a terrific pedigree. That he directed Deadpool and was involved with the terrific series "Love, Death and Robots" on Netflix is promising.

 

[Trunkage]

What's your expectations for Terminator Dark Fate? Tim Miller is directing it. And Linda Hamilton is back as Sarah and Arnold is back again.

I think that Feminism is cancer and that Hollywood has been drafted into its cause. To see 3 women on the first promo pic for the movie is, after Star Wars with Admiral Gender Studies helping to destroy the series, very disquieting.
But Tim Miller has a terrific pedigree. That he directed Deadpool and was involved with the terrific series "Love, Death and Robots" on Netflix is promising.

I wonder if you're aware that you're proving feminists right

 

[gorfias]

What's your expectations for Terminator Dark Fate? Tim Miller is directing it. And Linda Hamilton is back as Sarah and Arnold is back again.

I think that Feminism is cancer and that Hollywood has been drafted into its cause. To see 3 women on the first promo pic for the movie is, after Star Wars with Admiral Gender Studies helping to destroy the series, very disquieting.
But Tim Miller has a terrific pedigree. That he directed Deadpool and was involved with the terrific series "Love, Death and Robots" on Netflix is promising.

I wonder if you're aware that you're proving feminists right

Should I be more concerned with SCUM (Society for Cutting Up Men) or #Killallmen ?
EDIT: Kinda getting off topic. But sorry Trunkage: Feminism is infecting Hollywood.
You can have terrific, strong female characters in movies, including Sarah Conner in T1 and 2 without them wrecking the thing with Feminist politics. But Star Wars, Ghost Busters 3 and now Captain Marvel? They have a message and it is toxic. Hoping the same doesn't happen to T6.

 

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

To see 3 women on the first promo pic for the movie is, after Star Wars with Admiral Gender Studies helping to destroy the series, very disquieting.

Why? The series has always been about the struggles of a woman, something that you yourself admit. Why is the series continuing to do what its been doing since the 80s bad?

 

[gorfias]

To see 3 women on the first promo pic for the movie is, after Star Wars with Admiral Gender Studies helping to destroy the series, very disquieting.

Why? The series has always been about the struggles of a woman, something that you yourself admit. Why is the series continuing to do what its been doing since the 80s bad?

There's been a place for men in the series. Reese was simply fantastic in 1. Arnold and young John Connor and Dyson? Great. Older John and Arnold in 3? Terrific. Will 6 be, men suck, thank goodness for perfect wamen?
EDIT: BTW Season 2 of The Tick as dropped on Amazon. Everyone should watch it.

 

[Trunkage]

What's your expectations for Terminator Dark Fate? Tim Miller is directing it. And Linda Hamilton is back as Sarah and Arnold is back again.

I think that Feminism is cancer and that Hollywood has been drafted into its cause. To see 3 women on the first promo pic for the movie is, after Star Wars with Admiral Gender Studies helping to destroy the series, very disquieting.
But Tim Miller has a terrific pedigree. That he directed Deadpool and was involved with the terrific series "Love, Death and Robots" on Netflix is promising.

I wonder if you're aware that you're proving feminists right

Should I be more concerned with SCUM (Society for Cutting Up Men) or #Killallmen ?
EDIT: Kinda getting off topic. But sorry Trunkage: Feminism is infecting Hollywood.
You can have terrific, strong female characters in movies, including Sarah Conner in T1 and 2 without them wrecking the thing with Feminist politics. But Star Wars, Ghost Busters 3 and now Captain Marvel? They have a message and it is toxic. Hoping the same doesn't happen to T6.

Yep, the only way that 3 women could be on a poster is Feminism.... Also, noticed you didn't put Alita on there. It's pretty feminist too

Also, your proving that Feminism is NECESSARY to get women into leads.

 

[Hawki]

Well I mean you are very correct in that variables, X, Y, and Z do change, 200 hundred years ago it was fuck the black man, 100 years ago it was fuck women, 50 years ago it was fuck gays.

TBH, a lot of those attitudes are still around today.

as is, I dunno, a gay man in the MCU.

We haven't had a single gay lead in an MCU film yet.

I mean, just saying, things are undoubtedly better now than they were 50 years ago, but it's not exactly utopia either.

The T-1000 in Human Disguise is way more sociable then T-800 who acts like a Frankenstein monster, which I guess was the point.

It was.

So everything is now more or less in context.

Skynet created itself in the past?

The First T-800 dead body and arm was found by a computer company that becomes Cyberdyne and Dyson used the arm and chip to make his AI program? So Skynet only existed because it sent a part of itself in the past. Which makes me wonder the whole Self Awareness thing when it launched those Nukes?

That's pretty much the premise.

I mean, you could argue that at some point Skynet came into existence regardless, and that John originally had a different father, and it was through time travel that Reese became his father and all that, but we're getting way too far down the rabbit hole for that.

T1 has a closed loop as a premise. T2 has the loop being broken. Both still feel congruent with each other though, because "no fate" remains the theme in both, it's just expressed in different ways.

So what was Terminator 3's excuse for making Judgement Day inevitable?

It doesn't.

People can explain it as JD being inevitable, but the film makes no explanation, only "JD is inevitable, deal with it."

T3 isn't just copying itself from a much better movie (T2), it actively undercuts the movie it's ripping off from. Heck, even T1. Because if the theme of T1/T2 is "no fate," the theme of T3 is "yes fate."

I just went with it. T3 was darker than T2.

Um, where?

metaphorically kicked over the chess board (why just chase Sarah around when you can pick off John Connor's partners?)

That isn't a pro in the film's favour.

The premise of T1 was that Skynet's attempt at time travel was a last ditch effort. Time travel, at least initially, wasn't meant to be common in the Terminator universe. T2 does pull the "actually, two Terminators were sent back," but okay, I can live with that. Like Arnie coming back, it gets to pull that trick once, especially since T2 really closed the doors on a sequel. T3 however, depicts a setting where time travel is apparently common - so common that a Terminator can be sent to assassinate nobodies. It's a premise that's generally infected the rest of the franchise, where time travel is this thing that happens every Tuesday (cough: SCC) rather than a last, desparate attempt from an AI on the verge of defeat.

I think that Feminism is cancer and that Hollywood has been drafted into its cause. To see 3 women on the first promo pic for the movie is, after Star Wars with Admiral Gender Studies helping to destroy the series, very disquieting.

Women on a poster that had a female protagonist in its first film?

Oh God, the horror! Judgement Day is here! Feminists have launched nukes! These are the end of times! Repent, repent!

You can have terrific, strong female characters in movies, including Sarah Conner in T1 and 2 without them wrecking the thing with Feminist politics. But Star Wars, Ghost Busters 3 and now Captain Marvel? They have a message and it is toxic.

Yeah...no.

Why? The series has always been about the struggles of a woman, something that you yourself admit. Why is the series continuing to do what its been doing since the 80s bad?

I'm actually going to come round a bit here and say that it hasn't "always" been about the struggles of a woman.

I think it was around SCC that it was stated that Sarah was the 'true protagonist' of the series or somesuch. Now, that I despise SCC aside, I actually disagree with this premise - John Connor is the true protagonist. It's always been about him, either as the catalyst for the plot (T1), or a major part of the plot itself (T2-T4). In fact, you could say it's kind of anti-feminist that in T1, Sarah isn't the saviour of mankind, she's just destined to squirt out the saviour. Like, thank goodness the Tiki Motel didn't have condoms available or something.

But it's such a moot point. Oh shock, the horror, a poster with three female characters on it. I mean, I've got little hope for Dark Fate at all, but for all the reasons that is, that three of the protagonists have boobs isn't one of them.