I don't understand griefing

[LilithSlave]

The same reason that people troll.

Griefing is nothing more than trolling inside a game.

 

[Redweaver]

This is the thing that has amused me for years, people that get angry over video games but it happens for a reason.

If I get mad at someone for walking over and spitting in my lunch, am I angry at the food?

That has to be the best analogy I have ever seen about anything ever...

I care about the dipshit wasting my time. He thinks it's hilarious to pop in and ruin other peoples fun with the "Its Jest a Gamez guyz! CHILL! U MAD!!1 LOL!". Yes, it is just a game but you're gonna get yourself an ass kicking if you run onto a football field and grab the ball.

Basically, it's the cowards way of ruining other peoples fun.

IF you must know im a Troll i join games see whats going on then i make my move. DO you want to know why i wait its because i wait for the stupid people who only play games for kill when there is an objective then immeditly when they lose say "geez guys get on the point! gah noobs" If i troll you then you deserve it for acting like a moron. Also using the word "noob" will result in me picking on you i will go out of my way to make you Rage quit. Also i troll because im normally better that you an so i can.

The next time you see people enjoying a basketball game too much go knock the ball out of their hands and see what happens. Or find a rugby game to disrupt, I dare you.

You only do it because you know you won't get punched in the face and you know your justification is weaksauce.

 

[RJ 17]

could someone explain to my why it is fun to wreck peoples game times?

The short answer: griefing is just trolling in videogames. To ask "why do people grief' is to ask "why do people troll". The answer: because they're pricks.

 

[StriderShinryu]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Griefers and trolls are assholes. They are the equivalent of high-school bullies. You know the type. Idiots with pathetic lives and crappy homes who think the only way to make themselves feel better is to make everyone else miserable. Real bottom-feeding scum.

Oh, and I don't care what lame excuse they, or anyone so far in this thread, give. I don't care if you insist, "It's just a game bro! Chill.". It doesn't excuse your actions. You're being a dick. Not to mention a coward. If there were any chance your actions could have real-world consequences, I guarantee you'd be too afraid to grief anyone.

Yeah, pretty much. It's easy to throw comments out there about how it's due to taking the game too seriously, or that it's the fault of the game for allowing/encouraing griefing, but it's not actually about the game at all. It's about the immaturity of the griefer and the fact that they can basically get away with it with few/no repurcussions.

If you don't like the way that someone else plays a game, whether it's because they take a competitive game too seriously or if it's because you're serious about your RP in an MMO or anything in between, you have a very simple option. Just ignore them. It's not your place to police how others play the game and, by and large, their choice of how to play the game doesn't impact upon you at all.

 

[renegade7]

could someone explain to my why it is fun to wreck peoples game times?

It's the whole conflict instinct...you know how some people like to pick fights? Same reason.

 

[Sigma Van Lockheart]

This is the thing that has amused me for years, people that get angry over video games but it happens for a reason.

If I get mad at someone for walking over and spitting in my lunch, am I angry at the food?

That has to be the best analogy I have ever seen about anything ever...

I care about the dipshit wasting my time. He thinks it's hilarious to pop in and ruin other peoples fun with the "Its Jest a Gamez guyz! CHILL! U MAD!!1 LOL!". Yes, it is just a game but you're gonna get yourself an ass kicking if you run onto a football field and grab the ball.

Basically, it's the cowards way of ruining other peoples fun.

IF you must know im a Troll i join games see whats going on then i make my move. DO you want to know why i wait its because i wait for the stupid people who only play games for kill when there is an objective then immeditly when they lose say "geez guys get on the point! gah noobs" If i troll you then you deserve it for acting like a moron. Also using the word "noob" will result in me picking on you i will go out of my way to make you Rage quit. Also i troll because im normally better that you an so i can.

The next time you see people enjoying a basketball game too much go knock the ball out of their hands and see what happens. Or find a rugby game to disrupt, I dare you.

You only do it because you know you won't get punched in the face and you know your justification is weaksauce.

Allow me to to point out the talk between me and tippy2k2 maybe then you wont jump the gun. Also for a side note i play rugby.

 

[matrix3509]

Is the concept of Schadenfreude really that alien to you? Christ on a stick.

 

[Evil Smurf]

It's a way for people who are alpha jerkoffs on the inside but are forced to act as powerless betas in real life to blow off steam. Pity them.

I do, they can only have fun at the expense of others

 

[Something Amyss]

Many people are jerks. Wrecking someone else's fun is jerkish. Ergo, it's also fun.

 

[Evil Smurf]

Is the concept of Schadenfreude really that alien to you? Christ on a stick.

how could you tell?

 

[Srkkl]

Where griefing is fun for me is when me and my friend get tired of playing Battlefield 3 normally we do 'shenanigans.' Where he flies me to the enemies helicopters spawn, we wait for their helio to show up, I hop out, lay C4 on it and wait for someone of the other team to get in it and fly away. When they get far enough to think they're fine I blow the C4, hilarity ensues. The point of this little anecdote is to explain that my griefing isn't about pissing someone off, it's about playing the game in a hilarious way to calm me down after a couple of shitty rounds.

 

[ElPatron]

I reckon it's similar to trolling: if your own silliness can encourage others to act like even bigger fools, you have created entertainment.
Foolish behaviour is where humour comes from afteral.

It's not trolling.

Griefing is supposed to just make people rage at you and make themselves act like fools.

Trolling is a way of deception. It's almost an art. You either have a superior intellect or just convince yourself you do.

The most essential part of trolling is convincing your victim that either a) truly believe in what you are saying, no matter how outrageous, or b) give your victim malicious instructions, under the guise of help.
Trolling requires decieving; any trolling that doesn't involve decieving someone isn't trolling at all; it's just stupid. As such, your victim must not know that you are trolling; if he does, you are an unsuccesful troll.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Griefers and trolls are assholes. They are the equivalent of high-school bullies. You know the type. Idiots with pathetic lives and crappy homes who think the only way to make themselves feel better is to make everyone else miserable. Real bottom-feeding scum.

Not trying to antagonize you, but trolling is hardly harmful to anyone.

It's almost community service. Trolling has done damage to idiotic forums like Stormfront (just google it and you will know exactly why it should suffer).

Trolling can't have any effect on a website like the Escapist. We are brought together by things we don't even have a consensus on. We still disagree in a lot of gaming related subjects.

In websites like Stormfront people are brought together to create a circle jerk on their stupid views. In my opinion only good things can come from trying to make them hate each other.

Idiots with pathetic lives and crappy homes who think the only way to make themselves feel better is to make everyone else miserable. Real bottom-feeding scum.

My irony detection is off the charts.

And I would like to know how people with pathetic lives and crappy homes afford for computers capable of running BF3 while FRAPsing it at very good framerates and recording sound.

 

[RookwoodX]

I'm not sure where it comes from but it seems to be a part of our nature. Most children are like this unless they are taught differently. They seem to take joy in watching the suffering of others. It's scary actually.

I guess it's the same reason some people enjoy torturing animals and bullying others. Something in human nature enjoys knowing that it has control over another being and can deny it happiness if they so desire.

Fortunately, video game griefing is mostly harmless. I guess there could be some extreme cases but those would probably involve the loss of anonymity and it spilling over into real life.

 

[salinv]

Schadenfreude, e.g. happiness at the misfortune of others. A lot of people love schadenfreude - you could almost say it is part of human nature. I find it deplorable, but I honestly cant say I haven't done it at times.

Griefing is basically (in my mind at least) the conscious act of taking the active role in schadenfreude, and I find that the people who do it typically exemplify why I think the internet can be an absolute cesspool of humanity.

Also: GIFT; Gabriel's Internet Fuckwad Theory: Average Human Being + Anonymity + Large Audience = Total Fuckwad.

 

[TehDomino]

It appears I didn't make my first post clear enough.

Seeing as the OP never mentioned in either a gameplay way, or attitude towards another person via communication both go hand in hand.

If by griefing, then you turn and do the same thing, nerd rage or whatever you may do, what makes you think you are any better. Therin is still the problem the people that get mad/angry/rage at the people doing said griefing and taking everything personally is what is enabling them in the first place.

With the amount of control and privacy that can be had in todays games, take the high road don't respond to their actions, ignore them, if they are affecting gameplay leave and go somewhere else.

As for the lunch guy, you may still rage at someone because of their actions in the game, I said 'over' not 'at' video games.

I'll refer this; www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/vio-1-4-259.pdf

American Psychological Association (APA)

An interesting read if you have the time or can be bothered.

 

[Vigormortis]

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I wasn't speaking on the outcome. No matter the variety. I was speaking on the act itself and the intent therein. If you are trolling or griefing someone, you're being a dick. Pure and simple. You are resorting to using some of the very worst aspects of human nature. It's one of the purest forms of Schadenfreude. You're not just enjoying watching someone in misery, you're actively causing that misery.

So you'll pardon me if I don't exactly condone many of the acts of the trolls and griefers that populate the internet. (and the real world, for that matter)

Also, may last point was an analogy. A loose analogy, admittedly, but not meant literally. It was more about saying these people are often someone who's miserable, for whatever reason, and decides the best way to make themselves feel better is to spread that misery around.

I might add, though, that a family can be rich but still be living in what would be considered a "broken home". Especially if it's a regularly hostile or inhospitable environment. Emotional harm can be just as devastating as physical harm.

[Side-note]
I already said the one kind of griefer I could tolerate. I.E. one who is griefing a griefer to scare them off. I'd like to add that there is also a kind of troll I can stand. That being a self-deprecating troll.

This is a rare breed of troll that will actually make a fool of themselves with the intent of both humoring themselves and eliciting laughter from those in the game with them. They're not there to ruin the game for others, they're there to make the game more fun.

Unless they start taking it too far, then they cross that line between humorous and annoying.

 

[Vigormortis]

Schadenfreude, e.g. happiness at the misfortune of others. A lot of people love schadenfreude - you could almost say it is part of human nature. I find it deplorable, but I honestly cant say I haven't done it at times.

Griefing is basically (in my mind at least) the conscious act of taking the active role in schadenfreude, and I find that the people who do it typically exemplify why I think the internet can be an absolute cesspool of humanity.

Also: GIFT; Gabriel's Internet Fuckwad Theory: Average Human Being + Anonymity + Large Audience = Total Fuckwad.

You've basically taken my entire stance on the topic, and the posts I've made so far, and condensed them into a handful of sentences. Thank you.

 

[Hal10k]

I also don't know why people flarburdurgle or zoppitysnazzle.

Watch a few episodes of The Cosby Show; that should clarify the matter.

 

[Faladorian]

Clearly, you believe that being an ass online is a legitimate form of entertainment. Nice job proving my point. There is no reason for being a pain in the ass to others for pleasure that can be considered wise and thoughtful.

It doesn't have to be "wise and thoughtful" to be entertaining. Some people think armpit farts are funny. Granted, most of them aren't even in middle school yet, but the point stands that different people have different ways of entertaining themselves.

It's the same idea as watching a cat chase after a laser pointer. Sure, it's at the expense of someone or something else, but it's still entertainment. It doesn't mean the person with the laser pointer is stupid; in fact, it means the cat is stupid. And so are people who fall for trolls, because they're always very obvious and very easy to ignore. If you take the bait, that's your fault.

You may now leave me be as there is nothing left to be said.

Right, as if you weren't asking for an argument by saying "there really is no argument that will counter this."

 

[JoesshittyOs]

Why is it fun? Well, just look at this:

Now do that yourself. Notice the intense amount of lulz it generates to crush a camper's skull with a helicopter. There's your answer.

No fucking joke, I just got done watching about 4 of those guys video's almost 30 seconds before posting that. My mind has been blown.

And yeah, this is where I find it funny. When it's something that's hard to do like what this guy does, than it's fun. When it's just a guy sitting and making life harder for everyone, it's annoying.

Edit: As in I was watching the videos before I saw your post. I'm still a little buzzed.