I'm disappointed that nobody has said this yet. Two almost full pages, not a single image or quote of this
Can't explain it.
Can't explain it.
I don't understand griefing
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Happy to help. Though, I must say that I didn't even read more than two posts in this forum until just now.Vigormortis said:
Honestly, most people grief because they like to see some others suffer, or rather just revel in the misery of others. It is sad to say, but take some enjoyment from others misfortune, a "Haa, glad I'm not him" sort of mentality. If you don't get angry, they have no misfortune to gain happiness from.
However, when people are doing it online, they are typically venting; they can't get that release from griefing others in real life - they just can't bring them selves to do it to others, to there face, and witness the consequences of their actions (one of the few reasons why I sometimes like society - it frowns on this type of behavior and acts accordingly). Since they wont do it in real life, they do it on the internet, where they have absolute anonymity which gives them a safety net from the consequences of their actions, and the large audience of those around give them the validation of their actions.
Either that, or they are absolutely horrible human beings.
To be fair, when you're playing a competitive multiplayer game then all of your fun is at the expense of others.Evil Smurf said:
Gotta love the RPG teamkill at the spawn trick.imahobbit4062 said:
I usually do shit like that to annoy the "Go fuck your nan" "You paki bastard ****** noob" "You're a shit fag" type of player
I have no real idea, I think it's mostly the the fun of wrecking somebody's day, and imagining them rage. At least, my most significant experience with griefing, I got to a friends house drunk after a party, and decided that the best thing to do would be play some RDR, 'cause I have a pc, so I can't play it at my place. I ended up playing online for a few hours, and at one point I spent about an hour following one guy around shooting at him. Not sure if this was truly griefing, as he killed me nearly as many times as I killed him, and it seemed to be vaguely within the spirit of the game (the cowboys killling each other, as everyone else I encountered shot at me on sight). Eventually he quit, and I went on my merry psychopathic way, shooting anything that moved.
The moral of the story is: Lot's of people enjoy acting like drunk asshats on the internet
The moral of the story is: Lot's of people enjoy acting like drunk asshats on the internet
If you don't understand the appeal of griefing, or find it deplorable, you are likely the type that griefers feed off of.
Plenty of strong opinions in this thread against griefing but few 'for' it. Am I the only one who finds it enjoyable both on the receiving and giving end? I mean, sometimes you can get so wrapped up in a game that you forget what you're doing barely matters in reality. Some joker comes in, takes advantage of those who take the game far too seriously and typically rage ensues. You either laugh at it or you shake your head and take appropriate action.
I'm the type to find the humor in it, assuming that there's some kind of effort/planning behind the griefing. Not a fan of cheating/exploits (unless done in a funny way), audio rape or slander, but everything else is fair game.
This may come as a shock to a lot of you but I'm willing to bet that most of you have griefed before in your life without even knowing you did. If you have ever played a game without following the rules while someone else was taking the game seriously, congratulations! You are among the 'bottom feeding scum' as one poster so lovingly put it.
I know I did this growing up, mostly for board games. If only I knew that my actions would cause me to grow up as a degenerate, I would have thought carefully before I married twice while playing 'The Game of Life'.
Plenty of strong opinions in this thread against griefing but few 'for' it. Am I the only one who finds it enjoyable both on the receiving and giving end? I mean, sometimes you can get so wrapped up in a game that you forget what you're doing barely matters in reality. Some joker comes in, takes advantage of those who take the game far too seriously and typically rage ensues. You either laugh at it or you shake your head and take appropriate action.
I'm the type to find the humor in it, assuming that there's some kind of effort/planning behind the griefing. Not a fan of cheating/exploits (unless done in a funny way), audio rape or slander, but everything else is fair game.
This may come as a shock to a lot of you but I'm willing to bet that most of you have griefed before in your life without even knowing you did. If you have ever played a game without following the rules while someone else was taking the game seriously, congratulations! You are among the 'bottom feeding scum' as one poster so lovingly put it.
I know I did this growing up, mostly for board games. If only I knew that my actions would cause me to grow up as a degenerate, I would have thought carefully before I married twice while playing 'The Game of Life'.
It really depends. A deeply rooted pleasure in humans is to bring misfortune to others, assuming the misfortune isn't serious. It's funny to listen to people get so angry over little things, like being inconvenienced in a video game.
You really could have used to be more specific here. Griefing in what sort of games?Evil Smurf said:
Most MMOs have a griefing system in place, more over they also have PvE servers. I love griefing, I like being griefed; it's fun, unpredictable, chaotic, it's why I play multiplayer games. It's another element to always consider.
I suppose I could elaborate somewhat. I hate arena PvP in games, it bores me. I find it sterile and rigid. I've always favored world PvP. So why grief? Several reason;
- Sometimes I do it so the players I'm griefing will call for assistance from higher level friends.
- Sometimes I'm one of the players that come to the aid of players being griefed, when I chase off the griefers in the area, I'll start griefing to shift the tides.
- I like being ganged on. In most games it's usually possible for several lower levels to kill a higher level. Being mobbed like this actually provides for a fast paced, frenzied battle the likes of which you can't get elsewhere.
- I grief because I was griefed. Wouldn't say I'm bitter about it per sey, I just recognize that's the way the world works.
- I find that being griefed motivates me. There have been games where I was PK'ed over and over, for a matter of hours, and it was unavoidable, that is to say I couldn't go elsewhere, sneak by, etc. This makes the game seem more lively to me.
- I've never cared for story in MMOs, to me the real villain is the other side, everything else exists simply to make me more powerful to fight them.
Outside of MMOs what griefing refers to is tricky, being a person who plays MMOs frequently I consider griefing and trolling two very different things. That being said;
Why do people TK in shooters? Couldn't say, never really gave me any satisfaction. This is pretty clear trolling. I do however have a friend that would panzer suicide in FPSes, destroying himself, his allies, and enemies. Come the end of the game he's usually ranked top on the team, the people getting blown up don't really see he's sacrificing 3 of us for 7 of them.
Why do people "grief" in Minecraft... well, I've never done it myself, but I've had it happen to me several times. Sometimes it's just irritating. Other's I've found it downright hilarious (even when it was my creations being destroyed). Some griefers here are far more creative than others, have to give them their due I suppose.
Now perhaps you could answer a question for me, why do players that know they get upset being griefed play games that allow it? Most MMOs offer a PvE option; unless PvP is at the core of its gameplay (e.g. 2moons), in which case play something else? Practically every shooter that allows friendly-fire also has an option to turn it off, so why join a server that has it enabled? Minecraft... well... yeah, not sure here.
I can't stand people who make a conscious choice between PvE and PvP, and then ***** and moan because they've got killed by another player. They act as if someone is going to show up at their house and wrestle their Man-card from their wallet if they roll on PvE.
It comes down to the difference between PvP,PvE, and RP from popular MMO's. Everyone has a unique definition of what they consider a 'fun' activity, and those outside of that definition defy our comprehension. I cannot for the life of me fathom why 'pwning noobs' in an mmo is so appealing, but many enjoy it, just as many people cannot fathom why roleplaying my character as an actor in a movie would their character is so much fun for myself. Or for a more recent and relevant example, why I would spend hours of my free time rebuilding J.R.R. Tolkien's Middle Earth in Minecraft.
And that's what it all comes down to, griefers find their activities fun, and so they partake in them because they derive their fun from the frustration and agony they cause. Just as I derive my fun from the feeling of satisfaction when I complete a three day project to build a tower for Annuminas.
And that's what it all comes down to, griefers find their activities fun, and so they partake in them because they derive their fun from the frustration and agony they cause. Just as I derive my fun from the feeling of satisfaction when I complete a three day project to build a tower for Annuminas.
There's this little internet platforming game called Everybody Edits, the main gimmick of which is that it rests entirely on player-created levels. Personally, I found it really annoying, but that's another story.
Usually, the reward for completing a level is gaining the code that allows you to edit the level, which usually results in the level being completely ruined as the person vengefully gets payback on the level that wasted countless minutes of his life.
A friend of mine is pretty good at using Cheat Engine. What he'd usually do with it is teleport to the end of the level, and see the code (usually written in black blocks so as not to appear on the minimap). Then he'd give himself editing privileges and write the code in highly visible blocks, and watch as everyone doing the level suddenly became god and tore the level to pieces, while me and him watched. Why was it hilarious? I have no idea, but it definitely was.
Of course, more hilarious was when he discovered this little program called "Everybody Edits Animator". Combined with Cheat Engine, we suddenly realised how inexplicably hilarious it was to paste a giant trollface over other people's levels. What can I say? Perhaps it's because I've never really taken multiplayer games seriously, and usually react to being griefed by laughing heartily and then revenge-griefing my new enemy.
In summary: People grief because they find griefing funny.
Usually, the reward for completing a level is gaining the code that allows you to edit the level, which usually results in the level being completely ruined as the person vengefully gets payback on the level that wasted countless minutes of his life.
A friend of mine is pretty good at using Cheat Engine. What he'd usually do with it is teleport to the end of the level, and see the code (usually written in black blocks so as not to appear on the minimap). Then he'd give himself editing privileges and write the code in highly visible blocks, and watch as everyone doing the level suddenly became god and tore the level to pieces, while me and him watched. Why was it hilarious? I have no idea, but it definitely was.
Of course, more hilarious was when he discovered this little program called "Everybody Edits Animator". Combined with Cheat Engine, we suddenly realised how inexplicably hilarious it was to paste a giant trollface over other people's levels. What can I say? Perhaps it's because I've never really taken multiplayer games seriously, and usually react to being griefed by laughing heartily and then revenge-griefing my new enemy.
In summary: People grief because they find griefing funny.
salinv said:
I find that hardcore griefing can take a spill right into sadism pretty easily. And I'd argue that that causing others misfortune for your enjoyment is miles worse than just laughing at it happen naturally.
So yeah I agree I just think they're even scummier than you stated. Keeps me straight the hell out of multiplayer games if possible and soloing in mmo's as much as possible.
