Seriously? Why do all white people get painted with the same brush when it was only a couple of white countries. Really to me it seems you more hate being North American than being white. So no the "White" race does not suck.
I hate being white....
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Really? huh. i find this strange. due to the fact that i'm white and hold a separate opinion.
you just gotta be pessimistic is all. Everyone is probably an asshole in someway or another. the ones who aren't are acting "holier than thou" and thus deserve twice the rage. (i'm joking here people)
anywho, don't get caught up on things that happened way before your birth. unless you've committed a serious hatecrime yourself and regret it, your just being silly. you've done nothing wrong.
you just gotta be pessimistic is all. Everyone is probably an asshole in someway or another. the ones who aren't are acting "holier than thou" and thus deserve twice the rage. (i'm joking here people)
anywho, don't get caught up on things that happened way before your birth. unless you've committed a serious hatecrime yourself and regret it, your just being silly. you've done nothing wrong.
Considering how you resent it so much, you obviously aren't, or try not to be, shallow or stupid. And I'm fairly certain you weren't managing slave trade routes in the 1800s. You do not embody those things, so why should you be ashamed? Those things aren't your fault, and there is nothing you can do about them.Valis88 said:
Let your own character define who you are, not the color of your skin. Your race says nothing about who you are, or what you have done. You aren't an oppressor of the black people as much as any random Asian person off the street isn't Attila the Hun. And if you do find out later that one of your ancestors did have something to do with the slave trade, what does it matter? That's not you. You have no control over that.
Nobody cares about that sort of stuff. They want to know who you are, not who your great, great, great, great grandfather was.
Try to think about why all of that bothers you. Are you trying to avoid other personal questions about yourself by using the guilt of others to avoid the subject? Are you taking on that guilt because it is something you can't change, and thus a problem you never can or have to confront? Like an easy way out of having to think about the things you can change?
It's still your turn. This is your problem. It was never ours to begin with.
I'll just leave it like that.Valis88 said:
As for my reply: People are generally dicks. Representatives of all ethnicities, creeds (including atheists), political groups and however you want to categorize people have indulged in atrocities against others simply because they didn't belong to the group they considered "theirs". That includes "noble native peoples of this land".
Everyone is defined by their own actions, not by the actions of their ancestors, countrymen or what have you.
Sorry for harsh words, but it seems to me you have it too easy and are just making up problems you can whine about.
See a doctor . you have serious issues or no real problems of your own if you project stuff from other peoples past on yourself. Go outside, get a hobby, meet people, do something with your life emo kid.
I wouldn't go so far as to say North American White culture is shallow. Pop culture and commercialism has bred shallowness. The 'superior, noble natives' is an ideal that's been kicking around for a long time and (at least in film and literature) dates back to early colonialism. I'm not sure where you are in your education, but try to take a film class. Most history of film courses will cover things like the idea of the 'noble savage'. Better still, try to take a semester studying abroad. There's a big difference between reading about other cultures and actually experiencing them.
You might think that abandoning modern society in favor of a simple life closer to nature would be an improvement, but it wouldn't. Getting away from it all is nice once in awhile, but living off of the land is hard, dirty work with it's own set of problems. I guess what I'm trying to say is, struggling with your identity and cultural expectations is universal and there is no ideal, worry-free lifestyle out there. We measure ourselves by our difficulties. On the one hand we'll applaud the poor person who sets up a successful business and becomes wealthy while at the same time condemn the 'trust fund babies' of the world. Ask yourself what is it about your personal situation that has caused you to blame your race as the root of your problem. Is there anything beyond that that makes you feel guilty about the life you live? Do you feel like things come to you too easily? Questions like that.
You might think that abandoning modern society in favor of a simple life closer to nature would be an improvement, but it wouldn't. Getting away from it all is nice once in awhile, but living off of the land is hard, dirty work with it's own set of problems. I guess what I'm trying to say is, struggling with your identity and cultural expectations is universal and there is no ideal, worry-free lifestyle out there. We measure ourselves by our difficulties. On the one hand we'll applaud the poor person who sets up a successful business and becomes wealthy while at the same time condemn the 'trust fund babies' of the world. Ask yourself what is it about your personal situation that has caused you to blame your race as the root of your problem. Is there anything beyond that that makes you feel guilty about the life you live? Do you feel like things come to you too easily? Questions like that.
I just can't stand the grudge given against white people. Yes we did horrible things, NO it wasn't me, my parents, my grandparents, greatgrandparents, or any continued lineage thereof. My ancestors were the Welsh and Scottish, known to be 2 punching bags of the English. We had nothing to do with slavery or perpetration of racial superiority. I am not considering myself superior as middle-class, money is still stretched very thin in my household, and I know my future years as a bachelor will be far worse. Anyways, I'm just fine with it, though it's not the color I'd've picked (I'd rather be Pacific Islander or something cool)
If you think that other cultures, Native Americans included, were superior, you need to read some more history. White Europeans were no more barbaric or imperialistic than anyone else, just sufficiently advanced to win most of the time.
You are a racist for discriminating against yourself. This is not a joke. Your skin colour does not matter much at all.
The American government and culture tries to remove itself from racism in a by being racist, it is quite contradictory. Morgan Freeman is one of the only American I have heard that to some degree gets what racism is:
The American government and culture tries to remove itself from racism in a by being racist, it is quite contradictory. Morgan Freeman is one of the only American I have heard that to some degree gets what racism is:
Seconded.King Toasty said:
OT: Really? You're just going to lead yourself on a massive guilt-trip because you're white, and white people are shallow, stupid culture-destroyers?
Well, jeez. It's not like I can stop you, but cop on to yourself. I mean... *sighs* Ah, forget it.
Whaaa? You don't need to feel personally responsible for injustices committed by your ancestors. It was a different time with a different philosophy. In addition, at least most Western nations acknowledge past injustices and are working to improve tolerance. Japan has yet to publicly acknowledge the terrible things they committed in the Second World War.
Every culture has things that they are ashamed of, but also things that they can be proud of.
You might want to see a therapist if these feelings continue. It sounds like you have some self-image issues.
P.S. Have some pride in yourself. At least you don't look the same as every other friggin member of your race (I'm Asian; black hair, brown eyes, rinse and repeat)
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Every culture has things that they are ashamed of, but also things that they can be proud of.
You might want to see a therapist if these feelings continue. It sounds like you have some self-image issues.
P.S. Have some pride in yourself. At least you don't look the same as every other friggin member of your race (I'm Asian; black hair, brown eyes, rinse and repeat)
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You, random Canadian girl on the Internet, are suffering from an identity crisis and it just so happens that you're projecting on the common element you see about you.Valis88 said:
Barbarity and presumed superiority is not the reserve of 'white' people. I might add that I consider Chinese people the most racist in the world. Regardless, for all the crimes you perceive of the 'white man', it can be guaranteed that every other racial group is guilty of the same. And just because people before you have been total shits, doesn't mean you are one too. By all means feel crap because you are (geographically) are of their ilk, but you can despise them all you wish, provided you do not become one of them. Breaking the mold isn't anything new and why is it that you believe you must adhere to the distasteful stereotypes that you've listed, some of which are quite exaggerated.
You are not the rest of society. You need not conform to the rest of society. You need not like the rest of society (and it is clear you already don't). But understand that 'being white' is of little consequence when you hold that attitude.
Think about it, there are plenty of worse places to be, and I must ask one question: why do you feel the need to define yourself by the actions of others so completely unrelated to you?
Ok let?s highlight all the words that racists like to use to show they are better than others.
Compared to what? You see I tend to ignore race and I see human culture and to be honest it is all stupid. Unless you are a part of it, it seems odd. Kinda like religion or LARPing.
very existence represents all the horrible things/ancestors were the cause of so much pain:
Wow I sense ego, you are you not your families legacy otherwise no one could claim to be a good person. This is a great way to dehumanize your enemies but it seems you have done it to yourself. Kind of like blaming the Jews for the death of Jesus. My Jewish friends didn't kill him, so can i really blame them?
superior, and noble native peoples :
Where did that come from? While I may be a fan of some native Americans and African Americans they are not superior "races" they just have some superior people, like all members of the human race only a few will be superior and the skin has nothing to do with that.
Stop seeing the world in colors of skin and see humans as humans. You live in the age of the internet where you cannot see the other person it should not be hard.
Otherwise Michael Jackson turned white I am sure you can turn black.
white culture is so shallow and stupid:Valis88 said:
Compared to what? You see I tend to ignore race and I see human culture and to be honest it is all stupid. Unless you are a part of it, it seems odd. Kinda like religion or LARPing.
very existence represents all the horrible things/ancestors were the cause of so much pain:
Wow I sense ego, you are you not your families legacy otherwise no one could claim to be a good person. This is a great way to dehumanize your enemies but it seems you have done it to yourself. Kind of like blaming the Jews for the death of Jesus. My Jewish friends didn't kill him, so can i really blame them?
superior, and noble native peoples :
Where did that come from? While I may be a fan of some native Americans and African Americans they are not superior "races" they just have some superior people, like all members of the human race only a few will be superior and the skin has nothing to do with that.
Stop seeing the world in colors of skin and see humans as humans. You live in the age of the internet where you cannot see the other person it should not be hard.
Otherwise Michael Jackson turned white I am sure you can turn black.
Oh yes, it's terrible to be (statistically) the most priviledged ethnic type in America. But you'll just have to buck up and deal with it, won't you princess? Or better yet, you can get in touch with your ethnic background and take some fucking pride in it!