I hate Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

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The Heik said:
There is a difference between suspension of disbelief and bad writing. The Element Zero fields of Mass Effect is suspension of disbelief because it's the thing that establishes the difference between the real world and the fantasy world and that it is established as fantastical. The Catalyst from the same game series though is bad writing because it contradicts both basic logic and the canonical information that has been provided or implied throughout the series.

And unfortunately DKR had way too much of the "Catalyst" type of fantastical things. The nuke(and it was a nuke by the actual description from the film) blast radius that I stated in my OP is just the primary blast radius, where every thing is obliterated by the sheer concussive force of the bomb. The secondary blast radius would stretch out several more miles and would still likely kill most people directly hit by the shockwave and destroy anything that's not a reinforced concrete structure, and that doesn't include the fallout radius of the radiation that's been thrown into the atmosphere.

To put this into perspective, the Fat Man nuke that was dropped on Nagasaki had a 21 kiloton yield, leveled most of the city and rendered the general area around it uninhabitable for decades. The DKR nuke is 4 megatons (4,000 kilotons), which is 190 times more powerful. Had it detonated over Gotham directly it would not only have destroyed it and everything it in but put most of the State it's a part of in mortal peril from the fallout. Batman could have put the bomb on an SR-71 blackbird and flown away at three times the speed of sound and he STILL could not have been able to get Gotham safely out of the danger zone in one minute. The yield that the movie stated the bomb had is simply unreasonable given the parameters the film gave us.

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5.Actually it is a nuclear bomb the movie itself used the words "neutron reactor" (which baffles me because they say it a clean energy source, which I think Chernobyl might have a few things to say about), and real life has those (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast-neutron_reactor ). It's a nuclear reactor, so all the rules that apply to one in real life apply to the one in the movie if they want to make it believable (which they should considering the semi-realistic setting of the film series). And I honestly cannot believe that any engineer would be dumb enough to make a power source that can be turned into a bomb capable of LEVELING A CITY with a few buttons presses. The minute that came up in development that project would have been axed faster than you can say "political shitstorm".
As far as the nuclear bomb goes, for one it was a fusion reactor, not fission, not neutron reactor, a Fusion reactor. It is really big news, and basically the answer to the worlds energy problems if we ever got it working. It pretty much creates no radioactive waste, runs on very little fuel, and cannot self-sustain a reaction, so there's zero chance of accidental meltdown. I don't know whether making one go nuclear would have any different effects than a regular nuclear explosion, but it could be concievably argued that it won't create any radioactive blast, And as for the 6 mile blast radius, I assumed he dumped the plane+bomb in the ocean once he got a good distance away, to drown the reactor sucking out it's energy, which would decrease the radius somewhat. Although I will admit that it was one of the weaker scenes, and having to come up with excuses like that for it just goes to show. Maybe it was an impossible mumbo-jumbo, but there are just too many unknowns that theoretically it could be perfectly possible, at a stretch.

The Heik said:
2. There's a difference between plausible deniability and literally appearing out of nowhere for no practical reason. First the guy was walking down a pretty narrow tunnel in the direction Batman was in, so Bats couldn't have somehow just popped in front him without being notice long before getting in to position (ninjas aren't THAT good, especially when they're wearin bulletproof body armour), meaning that he had to have been waiting upside down for a pretty substantial amount of time to take out one lone guy. Moreso, why do that when Catwoman very clearly could walk up behind the guy silently? Why do a double fake out when she could have just knocked him out with one punch far more easily and quickly? The scene is narratively pointless, and having it not only doesn't add anything of value to the story but actually raises more questions than it solves. So why honestly put it in?
I actually think that scene was them surprising the guy from behind a pillar, as there was a huge black hole behind Batman that he could have easily hid in. Anyway, it's a sewer, the place is made of pipes to hide in/behind.



The Heik said:
Any yes, maybe the Batcopter could go supersonic, but at what point was that ever established? Never in the entire film did any character say "Hey, this things capable of going faster than the speed of sound". Seriously, not even 15 words could have completely cleared that problem up, but none of the chucklehead writers even bothered with it, which is very odd considering how much they talked about the equipment in the first two films (less in the second one to be sure, but then again there wasn't as much new tech in it). That means we have to go based upon what we are shown from previous scenes, and seeing as the world's slowest missiles were still giving it a run for its money, 200 kts is being generous. So from what they story gave the viewers of the film, the Batcopter simply couldn't have pulled it off what we saw it pull off. And it's not like it would have been hard to fix. Heck this and my original post show how easily a lot of the issues with the final scene could have been fixed with effectively no change to the events whatsoever (4eg a 1 megaton nuke, an established supersonic aircraft, and 5 minutes of travel time would have netted s total of 54 miles, which could have arguably worked). It's simply that the writers seemed to care so little about making a good cohesive story over trying to up the stakes that it ruined any credibility it had.
As I said, I thought the point was to drown the reactor, that was the failsafe under the river, it would suck out the power and reduce the energy of the device. It's still a flaky scene though.

Personally the only point I had real difficulty with was the "I knew you were Batman because I knew the look you gave when I saw you even though you were Bruce Wayne at the time and there was absolutely no connection to Batman." That was just stupidly weak, honestly it's a shockingly bad handwave.
 

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Wow, people seem to either irrationally hate this movie or irrationally defend it. If any of you can manage this task, I recommend rewatching the other Nolan Batman movies without having preconceived notions of them being objectively "good" movies. You might find that they aren't as deep and thought-provoking as you remember, but are still some of the most balls-out entertaining movies around.

The other two films had a ton of totally illogical scenarios (every plan the Joker made was impossibly well structured and relied on windows of opportunity that lasted mere minutes) and were full of stupid comic book dialogue ("You know how I got these scars?" "No, but I know how you got THESE!").

The only emotional resonance I felt in the first one was when Wayne travels to the ninja training school and faces his childhood guilt and fears. After that it's just a well written action flick with a particularly cool villain.

In The Dark Knight, the emotional conflicts mostly belonged to Harvey Dent, who seemed more like a parable than a character you were supposed to directly empathize with. However, that movie had some of the best action scenes I've ever seen in my life, and one of the best film villains I've ever seen. I didn't feel any strong emotions watching that movie, but I was blown away by the energy of it.

Dark Knight Rises is a happy medium. It's more emotional than the other two, but has the high stakes "social experiment that serves as commentary" scenario of Dark Knight. It's not a life-changing movie, but hell, neither were the others. It's just a good, fun movie.
 

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MiracleOfSound said:
Lionsfan said:
I don't your scale is off. Just look at the Nuclear Tests that were run in the 60's. Some of those areas took forever to become deradiatized, and since they all saw the bomb from the bridge, I assume it was fairly close. I hope everyone enjoys poisoned drinking water for the next few decades
It was 6 miles. It wasn't a normal nuclear bomb, it was a special device designed by scientific pioneers.

People will seriously ***** about anything. Suspension of disbelief.
My suspension of disbelief went away when a nuclear bomb went off and Wayne some how not only survived but was perfectly fine

Actually no, there is a lot wrong with this movie. How the hell does Jim Gordon not know it's Bruce Wayne? WHO THE FUCK ELSE COULD AFFORD ALL THIS SHIT? Let alone Gordon sees the man at his hospital bed wearing a fucking suit.

Also The Bat was sitting on top of a random building for months....

I enjoyed the fuck out of this movie, but at some point Nolan just said "Fuck you." to the realism
 

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Hero in a half shell said:
The Heik said:
There is a difference between suspension of disbelief and bad writing. The Element Zero fields of Mass Effect is suspension of disbelief because it's the thing that establishes the difference between the real world and the fantasy world and that it is established as fantastical. The Catalyst from the same game series though is bad writing because it contradicts both basic logic and the canonical information that has been provided or implied throughout the series.

And unfortunately DKR had way too much of the "Catalyst" type of fantastical things. The nuke(and it was a nuke by the actual description from the film) blast radius that I stated in my OP is just the primary blast radius, where every thing is obliterated by the sheer concussive force of the bomb. The secondary blast radius would stretch out several more miles and would still likely kill most people directly hit by the shockwave and destroy anything that's not a reinforced concrete structure, and that doesn't include the fallout radius of the radiation that's been thrown into the atmosphere.

To put this into perspective, the Fat Man nuke that was dropped on Nagasaki had a 21 kiloton yield, leveled most of the city and rendered the general area around it uninhabitable for decades. The DKR nuke is 4 megatons (4,000 kilotons), which is 190 times more powerful. Had it detonated over Gotham directly it would not only have destroyed it and everything it in but put most of the State it's a part of in mortal peril from the fallout. Batman could have put the bomb on an SR-71 blackbird and flown away at three times the speed of sound and he STILL could not have been able to get Gotham safely out of the danger zone in one minute. The yield that the movie stated the bomb had is simply unreasonable given the parameters the film gave us.

-snip-

5.Actually it is a nuclear bomb the movie itself used the words "neutron reactor" (which baffles me because they say it a clean energy source, which I think Chernobyl might have a few things to say about), and real life has those (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast-neutron_reactor ). It's a nuclear reactor, so all the rules that apply to one in real life apply to the one in the movie if they want to make it believable (which they should considering the semi-realistic setting of the film series). And I honestly cannot believe that any engineer would be dumb enough to make a power source that can be turned into a bomb capable of LEVELING A CITY with a few buttons presses. The minute that came up in development that project would have been axed faster than you can say "political shitstorm".
As far as the nuclear bomb goes, for one it was a fusion reactor, not fission, not neutron reactor, a Fusion reactor. It is really big news, and basically the answer to the worlds energy problems if we ever got it working. It pretty much creates no radioactive waste, runs on very little fuel, and cannot self-sustain a reaction, so there's zero chance of accidental meltdown. I don't know whether making one go nuclear would have any different effects than a regular nuclear explosion, but it could be concievably argued that it won't create any radioactive blast, And as for the 6 mile blast radius, I assumed he dumped the plane+bomb in the ocean once he got a good distance away, to drown the reactor sucking out it's energy, which would decrease the radius somewhat. Although I will admit that it was one of the weaker scenes, and having to come up with excuses like that for it just goes to show. Maybe it was an impossible mumbo-jumbo, but there are just too many unknowns that theoretically it could be perfectly possible, at a stretch.
Ok it's fusion reactor. My mistake (though I swear I heard them say the words neutron when describing it). However it doesn't change the fact that it is still a form of nuclear power. Heck the sun is a giant fusion reaction, and it still lets off more radiation that anything on our solar system even in terms of power/cost ratio. The bomb would still leave fallout in the same manner that a fission bomb would leave. It's still be impossible for a rotor lift aircraft to get the bomb out of the fallout zone in one minute, and even if it were detonated underwater (though since we see the mushroom cloud it very clearly isn't) the shockwave in the water would destroy gotham via earthquakes, and contaminated water (and by extension contaminated rain) would still render the city unlivable. It'd still be screwed either way.

Actually it being a fusion reactor (as such non-self sustaining) raises a whole new problem. How could it then have a timer that would make it go boom? The thing would simply stop functioning, rather than spiral out of control and detonate of it's own accord. So the reactor in the movie couldn't have been a fusion reactor, as it's destructive nature contradicts the stability and safety of nuclear fusion.

This reactor/bomb doesn't work from any explosive angle. That is a whole new level of failure
 

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SaneAmongInsane said:
My suspension of disbelief went away when a nuclear bomb went off and Wayne some how not only survived but was perfectly fine

Actually no, there is a lot wrong with this movie. How the hell does Jim Gordon not know it's Bruce Wayne? WHO THE FUCK ELSE COULD AFFORD ALL THIS SHIT? Let alone Gordon sees the man at his hospital bed wearing a fucking suit.

Also The Bat was sitting on top of a random building for months....

I enjoyed the fuck out of this movie, but at some point Nolan just said "Fuck you." to the realism
I thought the ending implied that
Batman left the cockpit sometime before the detonation of the device, because during the ending Lucius is told the auto-pilot was put back on line by Bruce long before his demise.
 

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Mr.PlanetEater said:
SaneAmongInsane said:
My suspension of disbelief went away when a nuclear bomb went off and Wayne some how not only survived but was perfectly fine

Actually no, there is a lot wrong with this movie. How the hell does Jim Gordon not know it's Bruce Wayne? WHO THE FUCK ELSE COULD AFFORD ALL THIS SHIT? Let alone Gordon sees the man at his hospital bed wearing a fucking suit.

Also The Bat was sitting on top of a random building for months....

I enjoyed the fuck out of this movie, but at some point Nolan just said "Fuck you." to the realism
I thought the ending implied that
Batman left the cockpit sometime before the detonation of the device, because during the ending Lucius is told the auto-pilot was put back on line by Bruce long before his demise.
So he swam, all the way back, with a bad knee and knife wound after getting the shit kicked out of him by Bane, and ALSO suffered no fallout from the nuclear blast? I can't imagine the armor he wears being very bouyant.

It's just silly. The moment I saw the mushroom cloud nothing in this film seemed plausible anymore.

Still enjoyed the fuck out of it though. I'm happy with the Alfred/Wayne subplot and it addresses the fact that Bruce needed to move on with his life and try to be happy. It's nice that after all that struggling the character went through he's finally retired from crime fighting and getting laid. Alfred crying over the graves of the Wayne family was such a human scene...

Also I went out of my way all year to avoid ANY news TDKR related and I'm so happy I did because I didn't see that twist with Talia coming at all.
 

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SaneAmongInsane said:
Mr.PlanetEater said:
SaneAmongInsane said:
My suspension of disbelief went away when a nuclear bomb went off and Wayne some how not only survived but was perfectly fine

Actually no, there is a lot wrong with this movie. How the hell does Jim Gordon not know it's Bruce Wayne? WHO THE FUCK ELSE COULD AFFORD ALL THIS SHIT? Let alone Gordon sees the man at his hospital bed wearing a fucking suit.

Also The Bat was sitting on top of a random building for months....

I enjoyed the fuck out of this movie, but at some point Nolan just said "Fuck you." to the realism
I thought the ending implied that
Batman left the cockpit sometime before the detonation of the device, because during the ending Lucius is told the auto-pilot was put back on line by Bruce long before his demise.
So he swam, all the way back, with a bad knee and knife wound after getting the shit kicked out of him by Bane, and ALSO suffered no fallout from the nuclear blast? I can't imagine the armor he wears being very bouyant.

It's just silly. The moment I saw the mushroom cloud nothing in this film seemed plausible anymore.

Still enjoyed the fuck out of it though. I'm happy with the Alfred/Wayne subplot and it addresses the fact that Bruce needed to move on with his life and try to be happy. It's nice that after all that struggling the character went through he's finally retired from crime fighting and getting laid. Alfred crying over the graves of the Wayne family was such a human scene...

Also I went out of my way all year to avoid ANY news TDKR related and I'm so happy I did because I didn't see that twist with Talia coming at all.
Nice /spoiler tag you got there. I'll fix it.

I think your forgetting that this is themotherfucking batman were talking about. I also just pretend that they meant to say 4 kilotons. For a reactor that size (and with design that wan not meant to be a bomb, such as an implosion method) it seems reasonable. The fallout and fireball radius would not be that strong or big.

I did love the movie though, the ending put a huge grin on my face for the next half hour afterwords.

It was especially moving that Alfred went back to the cafe just to live that fantasy of seeing Bruce out of sadness/desperation that Bruce had died.
 

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A Satanic Panda said:
SaneAmongInsane said:
Mr.PlanetEater said:
SaneAmongInsane said:
My suspension of disbelief went away when a nuclear bomb went off and Wayne some how not only survived but was perfectly fine

Actually no, there is a lot wrong with this movie. How the hell does Jim Gordon not know it's Bruce Wayne? WHO THE FUCK ELSE COULD AFFORD ALL THIS SHIT? Let alone Gordon sees the man at his hospital bed wearing a fucking suit.

Also The Bat was sitting on top of a random building for months....

I enjoyed the fuck out of this movie, but at some point Nolan just said "Fuck you." to the realism
I thought the ending implied that
Batman left the cockpit sometime before the detonation of the device, because during the ending Lucius is told the auto-pilot was put back on line by Bruce long before his demise.
So he swam, all the way back, with a bad knee and knife wound after getting the shit kicked out of him by Bane, and ALSO suffered no fallout from the nuclear blast? I can't imagine the armor he wears being very bouyant.

It's just silly. The moment I saw the mushroom cloud nothing in this film seemed plausible anymore.

Still enjoyed the fuck out of it though. I'm happy with the Alfred/Wayne subplot and it addresses the fact that Bruce needed to move on with his life and try to be happy. It's nice that after all that struggling the character went through he's finally retired from crime fighting and getting laid. Alfred crying over the graves of the Wayne family was such a human scene...

Also I went out of my way all year to avoid ANY news TDKR related and I'm so happy I did because I didn't see that twist with Talia coming at all.
Nice /spoiler tag you got there. I'll fix it.

I think your forgetting that this is themotherfucking batman were talking about. I also just pretend that they meant to say 4 kilotons. For a reactor that size (and with design that wan not meant to be a bomb, such as an implosion method) it seems reasonable. The fallout and fireball radius would not be that strong or big.

I did love the movie though, the ending put a huge grin on my face for the next half hour afterwords.

It was especially moving that Alfred went back to the cafe just to live that fantasy of seeing Bruce out of sadness/desperation that Bruce had died.
motherfucking Batman went from fighting the motherfucking mafia to chucking a motherfucking nuclear bomb in the motherfucking ocean...
 

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DC kinda sucks when it comes to making big hollywood movies. Marvel tends to dominate the actual movies, while DC does far better at the animated movies. (Seriously, go watch those marvel animated movies of recent, their horrid.) I'm a huge fan of Batman, but i've never seen any of the batman trilogy in theaters because I waited for them to be on DVD and then rented them. They made me unenthusiastic about a character I actually like. But with their animated stuff? I hate Superman yet I still think Superman: Doomsday is a good animated flick.


DC tends to be afraid to make its fans too happy, because DC movies tend to happen in the real world, or as real as they get with super heroes in it. Batman seems to take place in New York, not Gotham City. I /liked/ both of the previous Batman movies, but.. I didn't love them. The trailers for this new batman movie put me off so bad I turned to the one reviewer I tend to agree with, Brad Jones. He pretty much confirmed my fears and I don't plan to go see it.


Spiderman seems to have no competition for being the best comic movie of the year. (Amazing considering how good avengers was.)
 

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at the end, i was waiting for the tidal wave from the explosion to destroy Gotham.

One thing i read on twitter and i think would have been hilarious is at the end, when they find the bomb, is if Superman flew in and took off with it.
 

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I had quite a few issues with the movie as well.

Mainly the really abrupt scene transitions and bane being rendered an utter tool by Talia (I liked this interpretation of bane up until his motivation is revealed to be good babysitting :()
 

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For number 2 the part where batman pops down is actually really easy to explain. That small corridor was actually had the sides columned if that's what you would say, so batman just popped through one before the guy came out and then snuck up behind him through another.

And that nuclear reactor wasn't changed with coding I think, I think the dud went in and changed around wires and such.

My problem is that batman thought it was a good idea to drop a bomb that was 5 times worse than Chernobyl in the middle of the goddamn ocean, no repercussions there or anything. Also since it was in the ocean there would be very little nuclear fallout since it would mostly be absorbed by the water, now irradiated like hell.
 

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Freezy_Breezy said:
The biggest problem for me was how fucking predictable it was. I figured Joseph Gordon-Levitt for Robin when I saw the first trailers. Catwoman is and will always be a fucking shit character (A thief with a heart of gold? Boy, I wonder what her character arc will be?) and the big twist at the end was obvious as fuck.
Also exceptionally disappointing.

I actually found Bane rather interesting until it turns out he was just Talia's thug, and could literally have been replaced by any thug/mutant/robot/mindslave/muscle guy to be Talia's ***** boy. Bane's character becomes utterly ineffectual and unimpressive after that reveal, especially since Talia herself is INCREDIBLY uninteresting and her motivation is totally nonsensical.

Good Movie. Not Great.
 

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I kinda liked watching Batman and Catwomen take out those Badguys from strange angles, gave it a sense that Batman is everywhere and nowhere, like in the old Arkham asylum days.

The biggest disappointing moment i thought was the ending, i was relieved that the Bat didn't die in the end, but also saddened as it cheapened his supposed sacrifice, the bat should've died.

Also Bane's death was a complete disappointing mess, what, that's it? he just gets shot? i mean yeah, Catwoman's one liner was funny but still, i wanted a grander death!. Also no Talia-Al-ghul-Batman son :/
 

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Bloody hell. Remind me not to voice my opinions on this forum...ever! So much for polite rebuttal eh? How dare the OP say his side of things on an open FORUM and expect some casual debate of his points. Let's launch in, call him a as****e and leave. Geez.
Funny, I was about to say the same thing. Apparently you can't discuss/debate any piece of entertainment with out all these stupid sensitive fans giving you short hand smart ass reply's. I'm sure those hypocrites would love the same treatment.

However, don't let them get to you, please share your opinion. Just ignore the shit heads which is about 50% of your reply's, and put all your focus on the mature Escapee's.
 

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Lionsfan said:
I don't your scale is off. Just look at the Nuclear Tests that were run in the 60's. Some of those areas took forever to become deradiatized, and since they all saw the bomb from the bridge, I assume it was fairly close. I hope everyone enjoys poisoned drinking water for the next few decades
It was 6 miles. It wasn't a normal nuclear bomb, it was a special device designed by scientific pioneers.

People will seriously ***** about anything. Suspension of disbelief.
I think you're mistaking my question with bitching. I liked the movie, and I let other things slip like how Batman got from the Middle East to New York City Gotham despite supposedly being penniless, I'm just saying that was the one thing that made me go, "Hold on a minute"
 

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Soemthing which noone seems to have picked up on yet with the bomb (because it was clearly never meant to be a reactor): this thing apparently leaves no fallout when it detonates and is safe enough for Gorden to hug it, yet at the same time is chucking out enough radiation for the US military to detect it with orbital sensors...

Also, I wouldn't get too hung up on comparing it to real world reactors since it clearly isn't one. Their main crime in this was attaching techno-buzzwords to it, if they just called it the Green Energy Reaction Machine (I can't be bothered coming up with a good acronym right now) then they could have had it do whatever they wanted (ala the Arc Reactor (creating new elements not withstanding)) without people screaming "But it doesn't work like that!" (although it would still clearly be a repurposed bomb and not a proper reactor).
 

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Lionsfan said:
I think you're mistaking my question with bitching. I liked the movie, and I let other things slip like how Batman got from the Middle East to New York City Gotham despite supposedly being penniless, I'm just saying that was the one thing that made me go, "Hold on a minute"
Those moments were ones that let the viewer use their imagination. I had no problem with them as they were not critical to comprehension of the main plot points and the movie's messages.



SaneAmongInsane said:
MiracleOfSound said:
Lionsfan said:
I don't your scale is off. Just look at the Nuclear Tests that were run in the 60's. Some of those areas took forever to become deradiatized, and since they all saw the bomb from the bridge, I assume it was fairly close. I hope everyone enjoys poisoned drinking water for the next few decades
It was 6 miles. It wasn't a normal nuclear bomb, it was a special device designed by scientific pioneers.

People will seriously ***** about anything. Suspension of disbelief.
My suspension of disbelief went away when a nuclear bomb went off and Wayne some how not only survived but was perfectly fine

Actually no, there is a lot wrong with this movie. How the hell does Jim Gordon not know it's Bruce Wayne? WHO THE FUCK ELSE COULD AFFORD ALL THIS SHIT? Let alone Gordon sees the man at his hospital bed wearing a fucking suit.

Also The Bat was sitting on top of a random building for months....

I enjoyed the fuck out of this movie, but at some point Nolan just said "Fuck you." to the realism
Haha! Realsim :D In A Batman movie. :D
 

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You mean like how the Joker in Dark Knight shot Gordon on purpose because he knew Gordon would fake his death and go undercover as a S.W.A.T. driver and then get the drop on Joker as he attacked the convoy so he could get captured and nab that Chinese guy from inside the prison? Talk about planning ahead.

MiracleOfSound said:
Haha! Realsim :D In A Batman movie. :D
Except that Nolan's Batman movies have always pushed the sense of realism to the max. Hence why there's no supernatural villians in it and a "superhero" sensibility is nowhere to be found. They've always been realistic action thriller first and superhero movie second.
 

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MiracleOfSound said:
Lionsfan said:
I think you're mistaking my question with bitching. I liked the movie, and I let other things slip like how Batman got from the Middle East to New York City Gotham despite supposedly being penniless, I'm just saying that was the one thing that made me go, "Hold on a minute"
Those moments were ones that let the viewer use their imagination. I had no problem with them as they were not critical to comprehension of the main plot points and the movie's messages.



SaneAmongInsane said:
MiracleOfSound said:
Lionsfan said:
I don't your scale is off. Just look at the Nuclear Tests that were run in the 60's. Some of those areas took forever to become deradiatized, and since they all saw the bomb from the bridge, I assume it was fairly close. I hope everyone enjoys poisoned drinking water for the next few decades
It was 6 miles. It wasn't a normal nuclear bomb, it was a special device designed by scientific pioneers.

People will seriously ***** about anything. Suspension of disbelief.
My suspension of disbelief went away when a nuclear bomb went off and Wayne some how not only survived but was perfectly fine

Actually no, there is a lot wrong with this movie. How the hell does Jim Gordon not know it's Bruce Wayne? WHO THE FUCK ELSE COULD AFFORD ALL THIS SHIT? Let alone Gordon sees the man at his hospital bed wearing a fucking suit.

Also The Bat was sitting on top of a random building for months....

I enjoyed the fuck out of this movie, but at some point Nolan just said "Fuck you." to the realism
Haha! Realsim :D In A Batman movie. :D
Batman fights the mafia vs Batman CHUNKS A FUCKING NUKE INTO THE OCEAN AND LIVES!

c'mon. I know I'm not being foolish