I Hit It With My Axe: Episode Seven: No Defense Against Blankets

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I've been an avid fan of all the podcasts WoTC has been putting out surrounding D&D, first with the guys from Penny Arcade (plus Scott Kurtz and Wil Wheaton) and then the Robot Chicken videos. I've also read Zak's blog before. I love playing D&D, and I love watching people play it, now that I can't, due to my current workload. (Yaaay, college!) That said, I think the show could benefit from a few things (don't worry, there's some good news at the end):

First, slowing down on the jump cuts, or at least giving us a sense of time passing. One of the things I really enjoyed about the WoTC 'casts was that they represented an entire play session, which gave a nice sense of narrative continuity. I'd be interested to see what an informative subtitle, such as "two rounds later" would do to help that. One of the most important things to me when I play or DM is the flow of the game?how it progresses over time. There's a very organic process at play, and while I understand the need to edit down a play session to get the most time for the juicy bits, I would appreciate knowing how y'all got from point A to point B, rather than just knowing you made it there.

Second, understanding the rules elements at play here would also be nice. I'm not asking for an exhaustive review, but there are some of us who didn't grow up playing AD&D, and I know that the system Zak's running is a hybrid of both AD&D and 3rd Ed. So, from my point of view, as a player, I'd love to see some of the behind-the-scenes details so that it's possible to have a rudimentary understanding of what people are rolling for.

Finally, I'd love to hear more from the PCs. When Kimberly talked about how much she enjoyed rolling a crit on that elf in episode 6, it was fantastically enjoyable, because it reminded me of my first crit ever, and how much fun that was. Having the players share moments like that with the camera is both compelling and adds a sense of personal connection to game events. As a DM, I know that every person plays differently, and values different things. I'd rather get a taste of who everyone is as a player than what plays they make.

Now, for some praise: this episode was definitely better than some of its predecessors, and the quality of the show in general has improved since episode 1. Whoever is doing all the editing really seems to be catching his or her stride. Also, as some others have mentioned, this definitely brings me back to all the time I've spent around the table, with intra-party squabbling and the usual tomfoolery regarding bad die rolls. Y'all get an A for nostalgia. There's also a great cast sitting around the table, with a bunch of awesome personalities, all of whom seem to be genuinely enjoying themselves, and that's what D&D is all about: people coming together, having fun, and kicking some monster ass.

I guess at the end of the day, the only question that matters is: "Will I watch this again?" My answer: maybe. It's not something like LRR or ZP that I have a physical and psychological compulsion to watch every week, but it's enjoyable. If you improve the show, I'm sure it'll turn into destination viewing for me.
 

MaartenVC

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Actually really like this series.
Hilarious and real, good group, good RPGing.
D&D seems like a lot of fun. (Brings me back to the good ol' days of NWN...)

Nice, Keep up the good work!
 

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Shoqiyqa said:
viciouspen said:
If there was one about a group of buddhist monks playing a D&D I'd prolly want to check that out too.
I want to know now. Okay, how do we go about making this happen? Baptist ministers, Jewish atheists, Pagans and musicians I've seen, but never Buddhists ... as far as I know. o_O

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Lol I've actually played with a few, Buddhists that is, not actual monks, although I always thought it would be fascinating to see things like that.
Sign me up, I'll DM that version, we can call it "I hit it with my Bohdi wood staff."
Or "Roll 20 for Nirvana"
 

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Well , Been following the show . For the Trolls it not that hard to understand where there default prejudice is coming for (Pretty much all the ones who got suspended over this )

. On the simple fact that well just straight forward sexism , The issue that pretty much alot of these suspended people have is when they came to the show they where looking to masturbate essentially . And instead they got funny personality of woman who happen to be strippers and porn stars ,but there playing DnD and can talk frankly about sex but very little of that talk in the show

. Now for the Inferior lonely male on the internet he see's two things that do not connect in his mind ( woman who can talk frankly about sex) Which makes him scared , (Playing a game that in his own mind is a Male nerd Arena woman should not venture into. so this distrub him )Woman with Sex but they are people ? Playing a Male nerd game This does not compute ! . And we are on the internet so he can anonymously vent his frustration and try to protect his puny manhood that was threaten by this. Till he is eventually banned from the website entirely because his manhood was deeply insulted

Now it outright sexism let call what it is . we reversed the roles ,let call it DnD pimps and players I hit my axe and add some pretty ladies to boot , Essentially pimps and players pretty sure the immediate response would of probably been far more positive , because you know particular trait of any patriarchal culture in history it " man with sex has agency = Completely positive in almost all contexts , yeah that kind of sex is perfectly fine and the natural social order of the world., But Woman with it ? Oh no there not human beings there like animals how dare they ! demon .

It sorta remind me .of Attack of the Show with Olivia Munn Criticism
when you get random trolls who hate her and say the show going down hill because of her

You'd find forum something like Kotaku like this where people will call her an attention grabbing whore sling ever name in the book. But the male host never get criticized for being the same attention grabbing whore (Pretty much the male host does exact same random attention grabbing shit ) . Then they can call her a "Real whore " because when she posed in issue playboy .

So I am honestly not surprised by the level of trolls and flamers this got , if it had of been random idiots who happen to be "Male" playing DnD , and maybe one female it would probably sanctified by the nerd kingdoms of the internet .

With that out the way, I love the show and the personality of the girls , Yeah I can agree the editing need to be improved but it has improved alot , it far more fluid than the first few episodes , and easier to follow what going on .

Keep up the work satine and frankie lol.
 

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And Honestly the action of the trolls and idiots venting and rating ever other week lol give the nerd stereotype far more truth than any preconception the show title gave as a spectacle . Can't see an intelligent person investing that much time and energy into ranting and raving consistently for weeks on end of something they didn't have a taste for .Maybe there some truth to the shut in gamer stereotype seems like it .
 

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Bloodysoldier said:
Good luck sheep. I hope the that your reedit will be a lot more stronger.
-yawns- Comments are getting less with each video.
Wrong again,
comments:
episode 3-137
4-108
5-118
6-77
7-110
 

Mordicai Caeli

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Wow, trolls are amazing. The videos are the right length-- enough to waste a bit of time on my lunch break-- & the players are funny. I'm a fan. Easy as that.
 

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I honestly don't see the appeal in this series. I've tried to play D&D once, and I just couldn't get into it. Listening to people babble about what they'll do in-game isn't my kind of thing. Plus, I hate the paperwork required to play the game.

Okay; so they're a group of women who no one would suspect would like play games like this based on their professions. I get that. But watching people play a game isn't entertainment, unless you can do awesome riffs over it (Spoony's Riff on Ripper (Prologue) [http://spoonyexperiment.com/2009/06/03/lets-riff-on-ripper-prologue/]). And watching people play a table-top game is worse.

Kudos for the camera operator for stating the obvious. Yes; they have boobs.
 

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MissLisa said:
Bloodysoldier said:
Good luck sheep. I hope the that your reedit will be a lot more stronger.
-yawns- Comments are getting less with each video.
Wrong again,
comments:
episode 3-137
4-108
5-118
6-77
7-110
You are not good at counting either, are you. You missed episodes 1-2.
And you have just proven me mostly right.
I enjoy seeing the only thing you can respond to me is '-yawns- Comments are getting less with each video.', love you(but not in that way kind of love more of a bill cosby kind of love). You put a smile on my face every time I see you comment me.

May I call you miss lisa, if that is your real name. -gives a good secret agent wink-

Can I keep her! She is a cute little sheep! Please... please can I! I will take good care of the little thing! -puts a big kid like grin on my face-
 

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It's shows like this that make me wish I knew people who played D&D. The closest I got was Warhammer Fantasy Role Play, and I quit that when my local games place got overrun with 12 year olds...
 

BonsaiK

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I Hit It With My Axe is goddamn brilliant, the best content on The Escapist by far. The show had better not end anytime soon, because I'd rather watch it than anything else on The Escapist including the ZP episodes that brought me to this site in the first place over two years ago. I suppose this time I might as well go into why... besides the whole "gosh Frankie is so cute" thing which I believe I mentioned before...

For me, the low production values, choppy edits, wonky handheld camera and general messiness are all assets. They really bring me into the action and make me feel like I'm right there with a bunch of chatty, excited players experiencing the drama. The fact that some players are fairly new to the game is good, and also adds to the viewer-friendliness for audience members like me who have little D&D experience. Other shows on the same topic that I've seen have much higher production values but feel boring, dull and sterile, like I'm observing the whole thing from another room. They explain the rules and systems more clearly, but they don't make D&D look like fun. IHIWMA makes it look like a LOT of fun, and makes me want to round up some female friends and break out the dodecahedrons and video camera myself.

As far as some of the girls being adult industry workers or whatever, that just makes me relate to the whole thing even more. My current girlfriend gets gothic fetish modelling work from time to time and I can see her blending right into the table visually and having an awesome time. (Not sure if she really likes D&D though, we haven't had that conversation yet.) Arguments about "exploitation" are frankly pretty invalid as nobody seems particularly unwilling, it's hardly the most "exploitative" work some of these girls have ever done, and besides, if you've got it and you want to make money off it, why the fuck not? It's actually doing the portrayal of adult industry workers some good as it's giving viewers a much more full-rounded view of them than what you'd normally get on a pornographic film.

And of course, that's exactly why it attracts so many haters. The idea of a woman who does adult film being an actual human with a voice, strong opinions and a sense of her sexual self rather than just pliable masturbation material for guys is something that many guys find secretly threatening. Some guys who are into porn don't want a fully rounded view of the women in their favourite adult films as human beings, because they're closeted nerds lacking in social skills or dimwitted alpha-males who find the intelligence and sassiness of the modern sexually confident female to be a threatening force which underlines their own loneliness, lack of confidence or perceived inadequacies. The negative reactions that this series gets say more to me about people's sexual frustrations and perceived sense of masculinity under threat from female power than anything to do with the quality of the series itself. There's a thesis in this, gender studies students.
 

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eels05 said:
Bottom line I'm just confused.
Your confusion would appear to stem from a starting stance of "Porn is bad".

Let's take a look at some assumptions you're making here...
Look I realise alot of these girls have a terible time in the Porn industry,but I'm starting to suspect that showing these girls doing 'normal' things is somehow diminishing the highly dodgy nature of what they 'do for a living'...
What's dodgy about doing what you enjoy? Sure, we all know some folks get into that business for the wrong reasons and have a rough time of it. Doesn't seem like anyone in this group fits that bill. I'm seeing a bunch of people who like their coworkers enough to spend their off days playing D&D together.

Hey look what we do in between having sex with random people and catching STD's...
Porn actors get tested for STDs monthly, and they don't get to act if they come up positive for anything. They also tend to get approval over who they act with.

yeah ok,maybe you should work on not being a 'Porn Star' if that has some negative conotation that makes your life difficult instead of sitting around playing DnD.
Regarding changing stereotypes and connotations, the current research shows that if somebody goes into a discussion with their mind already made up, you're not going to change it. If the discussion turns heated, likewise, people dig in and stop paying attention to evidence other than the stuff that agrees with their point. By the time we get to talking on these boards, most of us get too committed to "being right" to listen to what "the other side" has to say.

But watching the show is different. Catch somebody when they're not emotional and then they're open to seeing that the world doesn't act exactly like they thought it did. They can notice things, and later, when they have time to think about it, realize that what they believed doesn't explain what they saw. Porn stars who enjoy hanging out on their off days? Who enjoy intellectual hobbies? Who are more than just their jobs? Who are enjoying their lives plenty well and who don't need to be patronized, shamed, or rescued?

It's better to confront those stereotypes, rather than bow to the prejudices of others, no?

Which brings us back to the beginning:
...were all not supposed to draw any negative inference out of the fact that they're Porn Stars
Indeed. That is exactly what a gentleman or gentlewoman would do in this circumstance. These girls and guy don't seem to have any problem with being who they are. How would convincing them otherwise be a good deed, even if you could do it?
 

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I like that I can come to this forum and find a discussion about D&D Playing porn stars that has more to it than "OMG DICKZ & BOOBZ FAPFAPFAP".
I think I like it here :')
 

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chepenoyo said:
eels05 said:
Bottom line I'm just confused.
Your confusion would appear to stem from a starting stance of "Porn is bad".

Let's take a look at some assumptions you're making here...
Look I realise alot of these girls have a terible time in the Porn industry,but I'm starting to suspect that showing these girls doing 'normal' things is somehow diminishing the highly dodgy nature of what they 'do for a living'...
What's dodgy about doing what you enjoy? Sure, we all know some folks get into that business for the wrong reasons and have a rough time of it. Doesn't seem like anyone in this group fits that bill. I'm seeing a bunch of people who like their coworkers enough to spend their off days playing D&D together.

Hey look what we do in between having sex with random people and catching STD's...
Porn actors get tested for STDs monthly, and they don't get to act if they come up positive for anything. They also tend to get approval over who they act with.

yeah ok,maybe you should work on not being a 'Porn Star' if that has some negative conotation that makes your life difficult instead of sitting around playing DnD.
Regarding changing stereotypes and connotations, the current research shows that if somebody goes into a discussion with their mind already made up, you're not going to change it. If the discussion turns heated, likewise, people dig in and stop paying attention to evidence other than the stuff that agrees with their point. By the time we get to talking on these boards, most of us get too committed to "being right" to listen to what "the other side" has to say.

But watching the show is different. Catch somebody when they're not emotional and then they're open to seeing that the world doesn't act exactly like they thought it did. They can notice things, and later, when they have time to think about it, realize that what they believed doesn't explain what they saw. Porn stars who enjoy hanging out on their off days? Who enjoy intellectual hobbies? Who are more than just their jobs? Who are enjoying their lives plenty well and who don't need to be patronized, shamed, or rescued?

It's better to confront those stereotypes, rather than bow to the prejudices of others, no?

Which brings us back to the beginning:
...were all not supposed to draw any negative inference out of the fact that they're Porn Stars
Indeed. That is exactly what a gentleman or gentlewoman would do in this circumstance. These girls and guy don't seem to have any problem with being who they are. How would convincing them otherwise be a good deed, even if you could do it?
I'm not sure where your getting these rose-coloured facts about the industry these women work in but it sounds a little to nice and controlled to be true.In considering a response to this I found plenty of testomonials by pornstars that shines a pretty shocking light on the industry.I'm sorry but if you think these poeple dont get STD's from having sex with people for a living then your maybe just a little naive.It seems as if your complicity toward what these women do for a living has lead you to making some assumptions of your own?

Look dont get me wrong I'm no prude,and at the end of the day I couldn't be bothered pointing my finger at someone with the aim of shaming them out of doing something I find to be a 'negative' life decision.My point about working on not being a pornstar was really a reflection on an earlier post left by one of the girls in the video claiming her feelings get hurt by negative comments on here.

But I am pointing my finger at this series as its presented before me.Yes I get it,pornstars are people to.They do things in their downtime,yes I never had any doubt they did,yes its DnD so it has relevance on a gaming website,but..as this whole series is presented as 'Pornstars' playing 'DnD' then is kind of unavoidable having an opinion on the relevance of..well..Pornstars playing DnD.

I suppose its not a complete failure in my eyes.its just that the payoff for watching never seems to come,no I dont mean a glimse of tits and arse either.
 

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eels05 said:
I'm not sure where your getting these rose-coloured facts about the industry these women work in but it sounds a little to nice and controlled to be true.
I can confirm through having personally known people in the adult industry, that:

* Adult film workers must have regular STD tests every 30 days or they cannot work. This is industry standard. Actors and actresses who test positive or "inconclusive" cannot work.

* Reasons why people enter the industry are varied, but generally it is popular because it is an industry where one can make a lot of money very quickly, or make a reasonable amount of money by working very few hours.

* Attitudes toward the work vary greatly. Some women hate it and these women tend to not last long, these are usually the ones who got into it to support a drug habit and they are also the ones who tend to write negative testimonials. Others genuinely love the work, some notoriously so. Most actors and actresses slot somewhere in between these two extremes.

Everybody has days where they would rather not go to work. Everyone also has things at work they would rather not do, whether it's doing certain scenes in an adult film, digging a ditch in a desert, taking abusive calls at a call centre or deploying as part of a military unit into a hotzone. The choice is to take the good with the bad or not do the work. The adult industry is not all roses, and it certainly requires a certain type of person to handle it mentally, it's definitely not work that just anybody can do (despite what many people might think) or that I would generally recommend to any random person. However, for those few who have got what it takes and can handle it, it's potentially as viable a career as any other.
 
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BonsaiK said:
The choice is to take the good with the bad or not do the work. The adult industry is not all roses, and it certainly requires a certain type of person to handle it mentally, it's definitely not work that just anybody can do (despite what many people might think) or that I would generally recommend to any random person.
When I broke up with a woman I worked with I was stressed out she'd be telling people in the office out of spite about the size of my junk so I hear you loud and clear on that one.

Actually one of the huge drawcards for me in this series is that it humanises people who might be otherwise negatively stereotyped. I think the more people who have a "hey, they're just like me" moment the better and I'd be disappointed if IHIWMA got axed because of a few vocal haters using the anonymity of the internet.
 

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One thing I'd like to pick up on. Something I keep reading in this thread are statements along the line of "If this was DnD with pornstars, they'd be naked and having sex five minutes into the video."
I would like to take a moment to point out how utterly fucked up this sentiment is.

It's a statement that, as far as I see it, can be grounded in two related perspectives. One is a view of adult entertainers as reduced to a single aspect of their personality, i.e. them being porn stars. This is called objectification: seeing people as things rather than full people with personalities and all the feelings and rights a person is entitled to. This is a very bad thing, just in case we weren't clear on that.

The other perspective, possibly even worse, is the assumption that because these people are adult entertainers, they somehow owe you some sort of sexual gratification. I would think I would not have to explain why this is so messed up, but on these forums I guess I might have to.

Perhaps an analogy would serve well. If you met one of these people in person, would you afterwards go "Dude, she couldn't have been a porn star, after five minutes of talking she still wasn't sucking on my cock"?

If you cannot see what is wrong with that statement you are a grade-a douchebag and in need of serious help as a person, either through a long and calm sit down involving a lot of explanations and research or the kind applied with severe force to the cranium.
 

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this was the first episode i have watched. I didn't finish because i closed it when the camera focused in on someones boobs. I don't get it, why can't this show just be people playing D&D, this is the internet, if you want to look at boobs, there are plenty of places to do it.
 

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TazTheTerrible said:
One thing I'd like to pick up on. Something I keep reading in this thread are statements along the line of "If this was DnD with pornstars, they'd be naked and having sex five minutes into the video."
I would like to take a moment to point out how utterly fucked up this sentiment is.

It's a statement that, as far as I see it, can be grounded in two related perspectives. One is a view of adult entertainers as reduced to a single aspect of their personality, i.e. them being porn stars. This is called objectification: seeing people as things rather than full people with personalities and all the feelings and rights a person is entitled to. This is a very bad thing, just in case we weren't clear on that.

The other perspective, possibly even worse, is the assumption that because these people are adult entertainers, they somehow owe you some sort of sexual gratification. I would think I would not have to explain why this is so messed up, but on these forums I guess I might have to.

Perhaps an analogy would serve well. If you met one of these people in person, would you afterwards go "Dude, she couldn't have been a porn star, after five minutes of talking she still wasn't sucking on my cock"?

If you cannot see what is wrong with that statement you are a grade-a douchebag and in need of serious help as a person, either through a long and calm sit down involving a lot of explanations and research or the kind applied with severe force to the cranium.
Wow, you sir/madam are a single minded hypocrite, who can only read line by line and is unable to grasp anything as a whole. You sir/madam must be a christian/catholic. Perhaps you need someone to help you understand, likely chance of you understanding is not very likely. So sir/madam I will try to help you understand. Most of the people who made that quote on quote statement, used that as an opening to show that we should not care what occupation the players have but what kind of people they play as. Maybe that is to complex for you to understand so I will try to say it even simpler.

"Who Gives A Shit If They Are Porn Stars, What Matters At A DnD Table Is Not The Job They Hold In Real Life; But The Characters They Play As In Game!"

Can You grasp anything I am saying or is it going through one ear and out the other.
I mean by thor's banjo even a little kid can understand that. Are you that thick headed, christ man/women this is not rocket science. You come to the DnD table as your character not your occupation. What that means is they are only porn stars when they are at work doing their jobs. Your an awful human being dehumanizing these people, I wash my hands of you.

Now for MissLisa, this is how you should of done it.

Day One

ep. 1 236
ep. 2 193
ep. 3 68
ep. 4 63
ep. 5 61
ep. 6 21

edit: I made this graph for the narrow minded people who need visuals to understand. -smiles-
It is pink, like it?



Which proves my statement correct. Now like most anything the comments will get low then they will raise then they will get low. Like a roller coaster, it will have its ups and its downs. And soon it will start rising.

P.S. I got bored at work

P.S.P.S There is fresh cookies on the table if anyone wants a snack!