I just uninstalled Skyrim

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Duffeknol

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And I feel nothing.

This game literally has been one of the most miserable gaming experiences of my life. I was 'lucky' enough to be able to play it a few days before it came out (the PS3 version was already being sold here, and my friend had bought it). I saw the preposterously bad NPC-character animations, the same weightless ragdoll physics, the same pointless and consequence-free gameplay and the same amount of bugs as Oblivion's. I went on this forum to downplay people's INSANE expectations, and got 10+ pages of people calling me a troll and flaming me to death.

From that day forward, I could only see the game's flaws. I couldn't enjoy it. I played through the main story once, did pretty much everything else with another character, but all I felt throughout playing the game was hatred. Nothing I did mattered, because the only consequence ANY of your actions have is sometimes hearing a guard say one fucking other line than 'arrow to the knee'. Now, some people play an Elder Scrolls game as some kind of playground. They don't care. They just download mods and dick around in the world for hundreds of hours, throwing chickens at bystanders and whatnot. Fine. Other people would like an immersive RPG experience, which Bethesda is still unable to provide in any way, since every NPC still acts like a lobotomized robot.

I then proceeded to download the child killing mod and the 'set every NPC to non-essential' mod, since I wanted to be able to go Morrowind on the game's ass. Cause, you have to admit, setting pretty much half of the game's NPCs to essential was just bullshit. I mean, for fuck's sakes, you couldn't even kill most of the beggars. I then literally killed off all of Skyrim's population systematically. This helped deal with my frustration with them not acting like proper NPCs. At least when they were dead they didn't annoy me. But now I'm done, and the game is gone.

I hope I forget about Skyrim, the biggest load of shit I have ever had on my harddrive.

EDIT: Also, enough with the 'so you didn't like it big deal don't make a thread about it'. Shut up.

This is a forum for gaming discussion. I disliked a game and I stated my reasons. I wanted to write this thread because I was frustrated with the game, and after posting it, I felt better. This had led to a discussion.

How about I turn your own weapons against you: if you don't want to read about people having a negative opinion on a game you like, don't click those threads and don't reply. This point is as moot as yours.

I'm not telling you that if you like this game you are wrong, dumb, or anything along those lines. I didn't like this game because of above reasons. If you liked it, I'm happy for you, since you're having fun. If you read more into this post and feel personally attacked, lay off the caffeine.
 

Fishyash

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Good for you. Not everybody likes Skyrim. I personally don't see unimportant NPCs or quest givers as an important part of an immersive experience, especially on a game as large and open as Skyrim, but that's just a matter of opinion.

It is definately one of the downfalls of an open/non-linear style of game. You can't really design the game around what someone is going to do, to help you tell stories or pull of some really clever design. A linear game knows what you are going to have been through, and design the interactivity based on it (in your case, NPCs).
 

Zhukov

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That's a bit harsh.

While I agree with all your criticisms, I found that they were mitigated by the exploration element, the environments and the character building system.
 

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I'm not to keen on Skyrim either. The strange thing is that almost everyone who talks about Skyrim can go into deep essay style discussions of the games failings, then end it all by saying "but I still like the game" without giving a real reason why. I think the Extra Credits review of the intro is a good example of this (don't think I can post a link, just google it). They essentially go on for half an hour about how Bethesda's dev team must be 80% chimpasee, then end on a "now I'm going to go play more Skyrim" note. It's like people are somehow afraid to come out and admit that the games just not very good.
 

michiehoward

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Harsh man. Perhaps your overall gaming expectations are too high.

Don't get why you just didn't uninstall after the first 20 or so hours, but ok.
 

Duffeknol

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michiehoward said:
Don't get why you just didn't uninstall after the first 20 or so hours, but ok.
See, that's the thing, I don't know either. Like some other posts already said, "I'm going to play more Skyrim" always comes up for some reason. I know for a fact I just wasn't having fun while playing the game (sole exceptions being the Dark Brotherhood quests and two of the Daedric ones), but I didn't want to stop either. It was only after genociding the whole land that I finally quit and uninstalled. I guess I needed closure?
 

Slash Dementia

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I agree with you. The game, when you look at it through that perspective is pretty bland and boring. I'm using it as a kind of playground now, but sadly, I have it on the Xbox 360 and I really wish that I could go all Morrowind and kill everyone, but I can't...

The game is nothing special, but it's fun if you want it to be. I still play it, but not as much as I did when it came out.
 

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I'm not to keen on Skyrim either. The strange thing is that almost everyone who talks about Skyrim can go into deep essay style discussions of the games failings, then end it all by saying "but I still like the game" without giving a real reason why.
This is the phenomena of cognitive dissonance.

OP, I shed manly tears for you, enduring the way you did. I played Skyrim for 6 hours to see what the hype was all about. When I realized the combat was just as shitty as the previous games, I wanted to stop, but I continued on until the 6 hour mark before I couldn't take it anymore.

Bethesda produces a piece of shit and people praise it like the next coming. What disturbs me the most is looking back at posts and reviews just after the release that give the game nothing but unwithering praise.

Now, buy yourself Dark Souls and immerse yourself in a world of enjoyable pain.
 

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Djinn8 said:
I'm not to keen on Skyrim either. The strange thing is that almost everyone who talks about Skyrim can go into deep essay style discussions of the games failings, then end it all by saying "but I still like the game" without giving a real reason why. I think the Extra Credits review of the intro is a good example of this (don't think I can post a link, just google it). They essentially go on for half an hour about how Bethesda's dev team must be 80% chimpasee, then end on a "now I'm going to go play more Skyrim" note. It's like people are somehow afraid to come out and admit that the games just not very good.
That's because it is a lot easier to criticize something than it is to point out the good things about it.

No game is perfect. If you have a big game like Skyrim, it is going to have lots of flaws. However obvious & easy to point out they are, there are still good things about it. Some people may not be as willing to discuss why a game is good rather than why a game is bad.
 

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there are still good things about it. Some people may not be as willing to discuss why a game is good rather than why a game is bad.
Sure Skyrim MAY have some good things, but I challenge you to tell me what they are, and why they in turn make the game special. Your going to really have to rack your brain and be real imaginative with this one, because there isn't anything good in Skyrim. There are some mediocre things, and there are bad things.

The product of hype and expectation caused a blinding of the audience. Upon release, EVERY bad aspect of the game was ignored, and only now are people coming out and saying "yeh, this was shit".

It's not that we don't like to talk about the good things, its that the good things were actually bullshit and we were all experiencing cognitive dissonance.

By "we" I don't mean me, because I knew the game was a piece of shit when Bethesda didn't even have the foresight to do a straight rip off of MnB's combat.
 

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Skin said:
Fishyash said:
there are still good things about it. Some people may not be as willing to discuss why a game is good rather than why a game is bad.
Sure Skyrim MAY have some good things, but I challenge you to tell me what they are, and why they in turn make the game special. Your going to really have to rack your brain and be real imaginative with this one, because there isn't anything good in Skyrim. There are some mediocre things, and there are bad things.
I might as well give it a shot anyways, but I am going to assume you, or someone else, is going to try and debunk my opinions on why the game was worth. When you put in words like mediocre, bad, good etc. they are opinion words. Sure some are more black & white, whether it works, how believable the voice acting is in relation to the setting etc., but I hope you understand what I mean by that. Honestly I don't like putting worth on an opinion, but if I were you, the first place to look for reasons is to read a review or something, but anyways here is what I personally liked about Skyrim enough to put about 90 hours into it.

1. There are few AAA games that focus on a Single Player experience to the level Skyrim does.
2. There is very few scripting, which is one of my major gripes about most single player games.
3. Some of the bugs are pretty damn hilarious.
4. There is lots to do, even if it isn't all meaningful. You can either mess around, or you can create your own epic adventure with freytag's chart in mind
5. I like grinding to an extent. Unlike oblivion where the game becomes harder as you level up due to level scaling, Skyrim had a better balance between doing what you want without caring about levels, and getting an advantage through leveling up.
6. EDIT: I didn't really do much of it, but the fact the game can be modded is great, especially when the creation kit comes out, I might put some more hours into the game.

You may call these aspects "mediocre" but I find them enjoyable and fun. Original? Not really, I definately would not class this game itself as original.

I'm not really one to gush over games like this. The main reason I spent lots of hours on skyrim was more over the fact it's a big game, and I always spend lots of time on big games, unless there is something that makes me unable to play it. I spent less hours on Bastion, despite liking it so much more. How about you ask someone else who actually DOES think that this game is the best game ever, maybe someone who has spent 100-200 hours on it.

It's not that we don't like to talk about the good things, its that the good things were actually bullshit and we were all experiencing cognitive dissonance.
I mean what I said, it's EASIER to criticize than to compliment. Especially if you don't like it. But even if you do like it, unless it is literally perfect in every way (which Skyrim clearly isn't) you will have an easier time finding out what you don't like about something.
 

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Skyrim certainly has flaws, but i'm hoping modders will improve the game tenfold, just like Oblivion (vanilla Oblivion = meh, very meh)

Should have the modkit within 2 weeks, maybe a month or a month and a half before meaningful mods starts pouring in (no offense to texture modders), then it'll be a "great" game imo.
 

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Duffeknol said:
And I feel nothing.
Cool, I recently uninstalled Majesty from my computer again and feel nothing about that.

I was 'lucky' enough to be able to play it a few days before it came out (the PS3 version was already being sold here, and my friend had bought it). I saw the preposterously bad [shortcomings of the game]
And then you bought it? Why?
 

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Skin said:
Fishyash said:
there are still good things about it. Some people may not be as willing to discuss why a game is good rather than why a game is bad.
Sure Skyrim MAY have some good things, but I challenge you to tell me what they are, and why they in turn make the game special. Your going to really have to rack your brain and be real imaginative with this one, because there isn't anything good in Skyrim. There are some mediocre things, and there are bad things.
1. TES leveling system was perfected by removing the tedium of previous iterations. (Oh, I already got 3 XP that ties to Agility, better get 3 for strength and 3 for intelligence now before I accidentally make my level up weaker. *Spam Intelligence linked spell*)
2. Bethesda made NPCs that aren't lifeless husks. (That is a good thing. Baby steps.)
3. The narrative and storytelling was actually decent. (Again, baby steps.)
4. If you take the initiative to create a character with quirks based on the lore, and you adhere to those quirks, Bethesda has created a world that offers interesting experiences and social/political dilemmas. This is a rare thing in video games.
5. The combat system is a vast improvement over the old one especially with perks having been brought in.

That is not to say tedium isn't there. Some players sit around the first 10 levels or so making iron daggers out the ass, but all that serves is to make their build different than mine. The game doesn't punish you for not making daggers. These are all things that could be viewed differently based on perspective.
I, personally, WANTED to enjoy a TES game because Morrowind and especially Oblivion let me down with tedious broken systems and no player influence. Skyrim has allowed me to get what I wanted out of the other 2 but didn't get.

The product of hype and expectation caused a blinding of the audience. Upon release, EVERY bad aspect of the game was ignored, and only now are people coming out and saying "yeh, this was shit".
For the most part the audience is still enjoying it. Every once in a while you see someone like the OP who bought it and played it for a few months even though he didn't like it.

My expectations were low as hell after Morrowind and especially Oblivion. I wasn't even planning on buying the game until I saw a leaked play-through online that assured me that Bethesda had fixed the things I found broken in previous games. It still has flaws, but I can forgive them for these minor issues.
 

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This is the major roadblock in these types of discussion and I was quite stupid for not taking it into consideration earlier. It's all opinion. I could be of the opinion that Skyrim has the best melee combat ever made for any video game ever. I could also be of the opinion that playing with my feces is the funnest activity ever.

So I can't go through every single one of your points and debunk it, because it is opinion and my opinion differs. However, the quality of the game in comparison to other games is glaring, but alas, that is subjective too.

In my opinion, you have very low standards if you think Skyrim is a good game. Yes it is big, but so are MMORPG's...

As far as I am concerned:
1. Being single player focused is a non-issue. Bethesda couldn't integrate MP without further breaking their broken game if their lives depended on it.
2. No scripting. Also no AI capable of learning. Leads to a very shallow experience.
3. For every hilarious bug, there are 10 bugs that are detrimental. And lets not forget the game/console breaking bugs.
4. The level scaling is still broken as shit.
5. Mods are a non-issue. Look at the total conversion mods for Oblivion. No one bought Oblivion to play those mods. None of them saved Oblivion for being the piece of trash it was. So things are going to change for Skyrim? Doubt it.
6. NPC's that aren't lifeless husks? We must have played different games...
7. Except that Bethesda use the same shitty story over and over again. Your some prophecised hero to save something or other, blah, blah, blah.
8. Social/Political drama rare? Played Dragon Age? Played The Witcher? Hmm...
9. The combat is a disgrace.

IMO
 

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it's a blast to play, bugs and all, i play it because when i do i have fun. and THAT is reason enough to love the game. yes, it has it's faults (hell i play on the ps3!) but as countless people have said over and over, the game is more then the sum of it's parts, don't like it fine, but i as the majority of people who have played it can say, it's amazing.
 

lacktheknack

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I wonder how long the hype backlash will last. I'm going with two and a half years.

OT: I like the game a lot, more than Oblivion for that matter. I've not encountered any major bugs so far.

I also really liked "The Experiment/Experience 112", for that matter, despite the fact that it's a glitchtastic, overly flawed mess.

And I quite dislike Gears of War, despite the fact that apparently EVERYONE loves it.

The point is, opinions, man.