Women empowerment! Remember women, you can get what you want by using sex! For that is the true freedom of women.
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No, but see...that's the point. It's an explotative movie about exploitation [http://inception.davepedu.com/]. My favorite part, though, is that you can actually believe it's their fantasy world, not something a male writer dreamed up.[footnote]Ironically, since a male writer did.[/footnote] Sure they're dressed in the fetish clothes, but they don't pose like it. They don't stick their asses out for no reason, they don't slink around like they're on a runway, and they don't lean waaaay over to let the camera see down their shirts, because it's their show, not yours. And then that fantasy gets contrasted with the bordello thing, where they have to do all that posing because, in that world, they're powerless again. It's subtle, but very, very deliberate.Sparrow said:
Let me try to explain it another way: One woman, tired of being ignored by the film industry, came up with something called the Bechdel Test (you may have heard of it). In order to pass the test, a movie must contain:
1) at least two women, who
2) talk to each other, about
3) something other than a man.
An unbelievable number of movies fail at this, but Sucker Punch passes with flying colors. But it gets better: Try putting it through an inverse Bechdel Test (two men who talk to each other, etc). It fails. Hard. On purpose. Because Zak Snyder is making a deliberate statement, and because he really loves to fuck with people.
For comparison, I thought Watchmen and 300 were both fun, but not terribly impressive. Sucker Punch is the first Zak Snyder movie that I really loved. I also didn't think the "twist" was as clever as it wanted to be, but the movie as a whole was still great. With a fantastic soundtrack.
The women don't use sex, they use violence to gain freedom.Dead_Lee said:
Though that is really just allegory for their alluring sexual dance that they use to gain freedom.
However, that, too, is an allegory, and in truth the women use their brains to escape the horrors of an unfair and injust asylum.
Get your facts straight, please.
For me, Snyder is merely a Music video director who got a bigger budget. The story was hopelessly and practically non-existant for the middle section of the film, and the film consisted 80% on extended-music videos, the Samurai-statues vs schoolgirl bullcrap being the most obvious.
I hated it, but it's not that I hated many of the individual ideas. A lot of it could have been grappled into something brilliantly ironic or meaningful, something with a tinge of meaning or purpose. But no, it's just an hour and a half of Zack Snyder telling you to turn off your brain and look at the pretty girls and explosions as I throw them at you. Maybe that does it for some people, but not me.
I hated it, but it's not that I hated many of the individual ideas. A lot of it could have been grappled into something brilliantly ironic or meaningful, something with a tinge of meaning or purpose. But no, it's just an hour and a half of Zack Snyder telling you to turn off your brain and look at the pretty girls and explosions as I throw them at you. Maybe that does it for some people, but not me.
I know it's not that amazing but I really liked the ride. It's like a guilty pleasure. A good amount of girl power for a rainy day.
All it set off were my "this is why I hate geeks" receptors. Admittedly I went to go see the movie with a bunch of people after work without having any idea of what it was about, or I never would have seen it in the first place. But it was a reminder of everything that annoys me about 14-year-old male weeaboos and adults living in the mind of a 14-year-old weeaboo.Lord Kloo said:
I actually agree with you. I went in to the movie fully expecting to laugh it out of the theater, and ended up walking out saying that it really wasn't bad. The cinematography was probably my favorite part. For me it's one of those movies like Lady in the Water or The Village. I can't tell you why I liked them, but I just did. I think that as a film it has more redeeming value than most people give it credit for.
Matthew Geskey said:
I loved it and I was mad as hell when my favorite character died, but she was serenaded to an awesome song.
I wasn't excepting a deep movie and I got exactly what I wanted from it, being entertained. Loved the music too. It was one of the few times I've ever rocked out to music at a theatre, and I was not mocking it.
I wasn't excepting a deep movie and I got exactly what I wanted from it, being entertained. Loved the music too. It was one of the few times I've ever rocked out to music at a theatre, and I was not mocking it.
I'm quite glad there's one person that actually got it.Veret said:
Tempted to say more but jumping into this flame war seems a bit pointless...
It was entertaining....and that's really all I have to say. It probably would've benefited from an "R" rating instead of Pg-13, let em get some more freedom with the fight scenes and all.
Still, all and all an enjoyable, but otherwise unremarkable film. Really nothing wrong with that.
Still, all and all an enjoyable, but otherwise unremarkable film. Really nothing wrong with that.
I liked it alright. Pretty much everyone else I now who is a man hated it. I know a lot of women who really liked it... hmmm...
You know who did the song even better? The Euryhtmics, the original.jawakiller said:
As for the movie, it was eh. The plot could of been good if they toned down the complete insanity it became. If it were just the first level fantasy of being the brothel, without sinking into sub levels that were basically Charlie's Angels I personally would of liked it more.
Spoilers ahead:Torrasque said:
Right. No-one's been willing to talk to me about what the hell went on in the plot, so I'll do my best to force you to instead. Here are some questions:
1. Did she kill her sister at the start?
2. Did she imagine the whole club/escape plan/dancing thing in the time it took for the lobotomy hammer to fall or was that just out of order to confuse us?
3. Why did the creepy evil guy want to rape her if it didn't happen?
1. Did she kill her sister at the start?
2. Did she imagine the whole club/escape plan/dancing thing in the time it took for the lobotomy hammer to fall or was that just out of order to confuse us?
3. Why did the creepy evil guy want to rape her if it didn't happen?
<spoiler=Answers in this spoiler>1. Yes, she kills her sister at the start. It doesn't really matter in relation to the rest of the story, but it sets the story up. It is also why she is so QQ about life, and one of the larger reasons she sacrifices herself.Tharwen said:
2. Everything that happens in the movie, actually happens, but not as she imagines it happens. You see evidence of this around the facility at the end after her lobotomy. It happens before the lobotomy. You don't get an accurate gauge of time, because the lobotomy seems like it happens practically right away, which is where most people get "What the fuck is going on?" syndrome. So, yes, it was out of order to confuse you.
3. He wanted to rape her because it actually does happen, see that wound on his neck? That didn't happen because she thought it happened, but because it did happen. He wants to rape her because he wants to be in power and dominate her, to show her how helpless she really is (cuz he is so pissed at her). He could also just want to beat the shit out of her, but rape seems much more likely.Hope those satisfy.
My fault, I should have been clearer that I meant on more of a setting-wise film than themes. Then again, this doesn't really fit in this thread would it? A hard sci-fi around the short would have been something I would enjoyed on more of a personal scale.Hafrael said: