I like twilight.
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A rose by any other name would smell as sweet...
This means that what something is, and what something is named are not bound by stone to eachother. I hate Twilight cause it sucks, but I do not hate them for ruining vampires, as I have realised it is not a vampire movie. Calling them vampires does not make them vampires, just as calling a turd a rose, does not make it smell nice.
Edit: I think I went off-topic though so...
If you want to like it, fine, I can't stop you, but keep it away from me. I mostly hate it due to its popularity by stupid "tweens" and the fact that "tweens" have ruined popularity...period.
This means that what something is, and what something is named are not bound by stone to eachother. I hate Twilight cause it sucks, but I do not hate them for ruining vampires, as I have realised it is not a vampire movie. Calling them vampires does not make them vampires, just as calling a turd a rose, does not make it smell nice.
Edit: I think I went off-topic though so...
If you want to like it, fine, I can't stop you, but keep it away from me. I mostly hate it due to its popularity by stupid "tweens" and the fact that "tweens" have ruined popularity...period.
Let me clue you into the real problem with Twilight. It was all mostly stolen from another author. I kid you not. I have three sisters and they LOVE Twilight, and yes I have read the entire series. Not that I semi defended my masculinity I will digress. There where a series of books written by, no I'm not joking, a even worse author who's name escapes me. The Vampire Diaries were the name of the books, and they were written first. Let us check some of the similarities shall we. 1. Vampire Diaries, the vampires can semi control people minds. Edward can read thoughts, and Jasper can control people emotions, which your mind controls. 2. In Vampire Dairies drinking human blood makes you many times more powerful. In Twilight drinking human blood makes you slightly stronger. It's down played in Twilight, but the human blood thing does appear. 3. In vampire Diaries the main character, a brooding male vampire, falls in love with a human teenage girl who is brooding over the loss of her parents. In Twilight a brooding male vampire falls for a semi brooding girl. You can call her emo but I prefer brooding. In Vampire Dairies the lead girl finds out her best friend, also unknown to best friend, is a vampire hating witch, yes it's complicated, no don't ask. In Twilight main brooding girls best friend, unknown to best friend, turns out to be a vampire hating werewolf. I can do this all day. Stephanie Meyer was even accused of plagiarizing some of the stuff in her book from before mentioned series. She literally claimed to have never read them. BEEP BEEP, sorry guess my bullshit detector went off, my bad. This probably won't change your mind, and you probably won't even read this, but it changed my perception of her. She lost what little respect I gave her when I found out these books existed, and were written a number of years beforehand.
Glad you like it. I don't like that vampires have gone from eternal symbols of evil representing violence, sexual deviance, and an unquenchable thirst for power to misunderstood intellectuals to something more close to the actual legend (Bram Stoker's) to something close to an eastern asian crime cartel to.... angsty teenagers? How does a 300 year old immortal man decide that a pouting 16 year old american girl from the suburbs is the most complex and beautiful being he's ever encountered? If the blood is the life, then twilight is the death.
lol.. this thread is a joke right?
also to the guy who said something about twilight copying the vampire diaries, i thought the argument was that twilight borrows heavily from the southern vampire mysteries (true blood) by charlaine harris.. i could be wrong, and regardless twilight is horrible...
i've attempted to read the first one and the writing is so piss poor i stopped.. my younger sister is a huge twilight fan, and she agrees that the writing is bad, as are the plot, and many of the characters.. i asked her 'why do you like it then?' and she shrugged...
also to the guy who said something about twilight copying the vampire diaries, i thought the argument was that twilight borrows heavily from the southern vampire mysteries (true blood) by charlaine harris.. i could be wrong, and regardless twilight is horrible...
i've attempted to read the first one and the writing is so piss poor i stopped.. my younger sister is a huge twilight fan, and she agrees that the writing is bad, as are the plot, and many of the characters.. i asked her 'why do you like it then?' and she shrugged...
Now, I don't hate Twilight because the characters are shallow, the writing was bad, and the core concept stupid beyond reason. I hated it because this is just a retelling of the same "girl meets boy" story that has been told better with a stupid hook (Hint: its the vampires). I hate "(gender) meets (other gender)" stories as it is because I don't find the stories or characters believable(a few exceptions but not many). As for the sparkling vampires thing goes: it really turned vampires into scary/mysterious/badass creatures of the night into emos (at least that is how Edward comes off to me).
You manipulative bastard.spartan231490 said:
Sadly <a href=http://www.cracked.com/article_17299_6-famous-characters-you-didnt-know-were-shameless-rip-offs.html>history has proven <a href=http://www.cracked.com/article_18500_the-5-most-famous-musicians-who-are-thieving-bastards_p1.html> isn't a <a href=http://www.cracked.com/article_18530_5-pop-culture-classics-created-out-laziness_p2.html>problem.there is no spoon said:
I didnt mind the books they are a kindof guilty pleasure to me. I get the mickey real bad for liking them. haha
I think its mostly the last book that really fuels the hate. That book did kindof jump of the deep end in my oppinion.
I think its mostly the last book that really fuels the hate. That book did kindof jump of the deep end in my oppinion.
I hate Twilight solely on it's approach to characterization, or more importantly gender roles. If you're reading something that's shallow and simple, that's fine. But the idea that a book was written to target teenage girls, and re-enforce rather than dissuade this view that many of them have. The main characters are just an endless reinforcement of the idea that men should be selfless super humans that will give up everything for a cardboard cut-out woman they barely know. It's really nothing short of sexism, sure it's no glass ceiling but gender roles can really effect a large amount of people, and if you reinforce this notion more and more will truly believe that this is the way the world is and should be.
As for reinventing vampires, I think the Legacy of Kain series did an amazing job at that, and were able to keep a good amount of realistic characterization and plot too.
P.S. I'm definitely not against artists using stereotypes or social roles to their advantage, but when it's used to endorse the stereotype and 100% blindly and wholeheartedly support it, then I can't really respect that.
As for reinventing vampires, I think the Legacy of Kain series did an amazing job at that, and were able to keep a good amount of realistic characterization and plot too.
P.S. I'm definitely not against artists using stereotypes or social roles to their advantage, but when it's used to endorse the stereotype and 100% blindly and wholeheartedly support it, then I can't really respect that.
All's I can say is to each his own. I mean Im glad you liked it. but personally I can't stand the books the movies and all the acursed merchandise thats come out, this is for a number of reasons not the least of which(ie the biggest) is the utterly nuts fans who worship the ground TL and RP(both of whom are terrible actors that make crap movies(with Sharkboy and Lavagirl being the only exception)) walk on. I could go on for longer but I think I'll just leave it at that.
Where at all did I say they shouldn't? I didn't say they shouldn't or couldn't but they don't HAVE to be scary. It doesn't matter who bloody created the creature or where it originated from, the creature is still myth and one of many different myths at that. It's not real, until someone can whip a vampire out of their areshole that proves pure evil with no gentle qualities whatsoever then the myth can be re-defined however an individual sees fit.Daipire said:
Dracula originated from Vlad the Impaler.MelziGurl said:
Vampires originated from how peoples gums, hair folicles, and cuticles retracted when they died, making it appear as though thier teeth, fingernails, and hair were still growing. As well as poor medical technology causing people to be buried whilst still alive and then breaking out of the coffins, ect. This led to the believe that these people were actually undead, who knows where the other parts of the legend (read: death by sunlight, stake, blood sucking, ect.) came from.
Dozens of you continue to make the same arguements about her reading, but does anyone have any quotes? As for using the same adjectives, I guarentee you that she uses more adjectives than most of you use in your everday lives, is it really so repulsive to you that she repeatedly used adjectives that fit the situation, in her opinion, better than any others? People I know have complained about WoT series because Jordan used the word "guttural" over and over and over. Has it occured to them that this was done intentionally in order to create an association between that word the trollocks, maybe because it perfectly describes them? Thats just my opinion.
Thanks everybody for keeping the forum relatively civil. I expected it to be troll fest after post 5 with this title.
Thanks everybody for keeping the forum relatively civil. I expected it to be troll fest after post 5 with this title.
I've looked at the vampire diaries series, never read it, maybe I should. But from reading the synapsis and a couple of chapters, they don't seem that similar to me. At all, but I haven't read the entirety, so maybe I'm wrong. Does Vampire diaries have anything like the volturi, cuz thier kinda the main theme, other than romance obviously, in twilight.there is no spoon said:
note, I am starting to get desperate for new books to read. I seem to have read all the ones that I like, any suggestions. Epic sword and sorcery books are my favorite, but I'll read almost anything, as seen by my liking twilight, seriously below my average standard for books.
