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Lukeje

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gritch said:
But I've got my own mathematical paradox for you guys. It has been disproven but I can't quite recall how.

0=0, this is correct.
0+0=0 is correct.
Therefore, I can add infinite amounts of zeroes together and the result will equal 0
0=0+0+0+0+... +0n
1-1=0 is correct.
Therefore I can add infinite amounts of (1-1) together and the result will equal 0
0=(1-1)+(1-1)+...+(1-1)n
Since this is addition, I can use the associate property and rearrange the parentheses as thus:
0=1+(-1+1)+(-1+1)+...+(-1+1)n
Since -1+1=0 and this series proceeds to infinity all (-1+1) terms can be reduced to 0, yielding the result:

0=1
Here, have a wikipedia article. It explains why the sum you're referring to changes its limit with different bracketing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandi%27s_series
 

gritch

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No, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. You're doing (1 - 1) to infinity, thus you MUST have the same number of +1's & -1's, an infinite number, but the same infinite of 1's as -1's. The way you did it, you have an extra +1 at the beginning without the -1 at the end to compliment it. You may have an infinite number of (1 - 1)'s, but when you do it that way, you have an extra +1 at the beginning. That's the mistake.

You're saying:
(1 - 1) * inf = 0
which is correct, but when you pull the associative property part you're getting an extra one and changing it to:
(-1 + 1) * inf + 1 != 0
Ya. That's a pretty satisfactory explanation. I'd love to continue playing the devil's advocate here - we could argue about what exactly infinite is but I don't think it'll really get us anywhere useful.

How about another riddle?

Let's say we have a tortoise and a hare in a race. The hare can move twice the distance the tortoise can in half the time.

Let us suppose the tortoise has a head start of distance D. It takes the hare a time t to travel this distance. But in this time t the tortoise has traveled a distance of D/2+D. The hare has not caught up to the tortoise yet.

So then it takes the hare a time t/2 to travel the new distance D/2. In this time the tortoise has traveled a distance of, D/4+D/2+D now. The hare has not caught the tortoise.

This can continue on indefinitely.

The question is, will the hare ever catch up to the tortoise?
 

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Simple Bluff said:
That's very clever. Unfortunatly though, if you ever study Analysis, you'll find a find a simple (if, frankly, anticlimactic) way of disproving that logic - periodic sums like the one above are always "divergent" (ie, does not tend to a single, finite, value). Therefore it has no limit, which by extension means that it doesn't "behave" well. You can't simply factor out one of the ones, the same way that you cannot simply divide by zero, because operations like that are not defined in this context.
Bear in mind I don't have a degree in Maths, or anything else for that matter, so my explanation may not be entirely accurate. And even if it is, it's probobly not the best way of explaining it.

Anyway, here's another fun paradox, disproved by the same logic:

Let S = 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 +... (etc.)

Take 1 from both sides: (S - 1) = 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 +...

Factor out the 2 on the RHS: (S - 1) = 2(1 + 2 + 4 + 8 +...)

But recall S = 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16..., so we have

(S - 1) = 2S

Rearrange to get 2S - S = -1

S = -1

But S = 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 +...

So 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 +... = -1 (!!!)

WHAT HAS SCIENCE DONE
Indeed I have studied Analysis. That's where I first came across this problem. I do remember disproving it rather simply but series where never really my forte so to speak. Just an interesting example of using vague mathematical concepts to incorrectly "prove" outlandish concepts.
 

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Promethax said:
I think you lost all mathematical credibility as soon as you used "times" as a verb.
I think he's doing something perfectly normal, at least in America. Many people say "You times/timesd these numbers". It gets on my nerves, but from what I've seen, they don't realize it's "multiplied".

OT: Good points. I think you did make some errors, though. But I'm not a math teacher.
Since when has "well other dumb people also say this thing wrong" ever been a valid excuse for stupidity and poor English. When I was in high school, I too heard many, let's call them "lesser students", use the word "times" as a verb, but common usage doesn't make it any less wrong or idiotic.
 

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How about another riddle?

Let's say we have a tortoise and a hare in a race. The hare can move twice the distance the tortoise can in half the time.

Let us suppose the tortoise has a head start of distance D. It takes the hare a time t to travel this distance. But in this time t the tortoise has traveled a distance of D/2+D. The hare has not caught up to the tortoise yet.

So then it takes the hare a time t/2 to travel the new distance D/2. In this time the tortoise has traveled a distance of, D/4+D/2+D now. The hare has not caught the tortoise.

This can continue on indefinitely.

The question is, will the hare ever catch up to the tortoise?
I accept this challenge, largely because I have nothing better to do at the moment.

Here I don't think you made any math errors, but it appears that the hare will never catch up to the tortoise on the surface, when he really will. I would take more of a Physics problem approach. (Assuming constant velocity for both animals)

If the tortoise moves a distance D / 2 in time t, with an initial position of D then it has a position equation of
s[sub]T[/sub](t) = (D / 2)t + D

If the hare moves a distance D in time t then it has a position equation of
s[sub]H[/sub](t) = Dt

Setting these two equations equal to each other gets you
s[sub]T[/sub](t) = s[sub]H[/sub](t)
(D / 2)t + D = Dt
D = t(D - (D / 2))
D = t(D / 2)
D / (D / 2) = t
t = 2?

That would be my guess.

As for a retaliatory riddle hmm... I recall an old word problem I got a long time ago.
3 people split a room in a hotel. It is $30 for a room, so they each pay $10. The manager feels that he has ripped them off, so he has a bell boy give them back $5. The men then don?t know how to split it so they tip the bell boy $2, then split the $3 among the 3 of them. So each man paid $9 which makes $27 + the $2 they gave to the bell boy makes $29... What happened to the extra dollar?
 

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Lilani said:
Zack1501 said:
-I times both sides by zero


Please don't ever say that again. Please. Ever. Please.
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I may not be the best mathematician, but Mother of God, I hate that phrase.

Times? No. You don't say times, because it's not really a verb and it sounds extremely stupid. I mean really, just say multiply! It's not that hard and it sounds a lot better than times. Seriously, how can you say "I times-" without hearing how awkward it sounds?
 

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Zack1501 said:
So, I have an interesting math based question. If you don't like/hate math or don't understand basic algebra(I understand if you don't) just hit the big THE ESCAPIST logo in the corner and that will bring you home.

I wanted to know zero divided by zero equals. I tried to do at algebraically. This is what I did:

-The answer I was trying to get will be represented by x
0/0=x
-I times both sides by zero
0=0x
-This equals out to be 0=0 because anything times 0 is 0.
-This proves that x can be any number. for example if 5=x than 0=5*0 still is 0=0
-I rearrange 0=0x to be:
0/x=0
-Now since x can be any number now lets say x=0
-That makes this:
0/0=0
-And since x=0/0 (Right in the beginning^) and 0=0/0 also then x=0
-If you fallowed so far and remember that x can be any number then that means zero can also be any and every number. So 0 can now equal 5 or any other number.

I realize something is most likely wrong here.
So tell me escapist, Did i Disprove math?
Edit: I see the error now. Its not that x equals 0 its that at one point x CAN = 0
MAN, some people can be rude about math. Let me try to explain.

Your edit is correct. By your initial statement, X can and does equal absolutely everything.

Think of it like this: Zero divided by anything is zero, correct?
And anything divided by zero (which can and does happen) is either infinity or negative infinity.
And anything divided by itself is 1. ie, 7/7=1, 5/5=1, you get the picture.

So here's the problem. 0/0 is something divided by zero, it's zero divided by something, AND it's something divided by itself. So, essentially, it's infinity, negative infinity, zero, and one, all at the same time.

Calculus does this all the time. In its simplest form, the limit definition of a derivative is nothing more than zero divided by zero.
 

Cid Silverwing

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Zack1501 said:
gumba killer said:
You can't divide by zero.
Why not?
If you can't understand this, I'll be shocked if you're not failing your math classes.

Dividing shit by zero ends the equation in a zero. You're essentially hitting Ctrl+A+Backspace. You can't divide something by nothing, same way you can't add, subtract or multiply by nothing, although adding and subtracting won't end in a zero, multiplying will.

Otherwise, go back to basic math.
 

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my take, coming from little mathematics in my background:

100 divided by 25, i.e. how many multiples of 25 can be made to fit in to 100 = 4

100 divided by zero, i.e. how many multiples of nothing_at_all can be made to fit in to 100? even infinity wouldn't be enough.

numbers normally represent iterations of a thing, there are 3 apples, 5 oranges, 100 corrupt senators. Zero represents a hole, a lack of iterations, a lack of a number.

and thus to divide by zero is fruitless.
 

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Blade1130 said:
which is correct, but when you pull the associative property part you're getting an extra one and changing it to:
(-1 + 1) * inf + 1 != 0
There's no such thing as an "extra 1" when it comes to infinity. There are an infinite number of 1s and an infinite number of -1s.

infinity + 1 = infinity
There's absolutely nothing wrong with him producing that extra 1, infinity is such that it allows that.

If you haven't already, see Lukeje's link for more details.
 

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SamuelT said:
Zero is a callous *****. She doesn't adhere to the same rules as normal numbers do.
I read this and I laughed at the idea of personifying numbers.

"1 is a little slut. She'll multiply with anyone, even zero or her own negative square root, but still never ends up with anything of her own identity afterwards."

"2 is an irritating little hipster. He was prime before it was cool and he's STILL the only even number to bear that distinction, and all the other even wannabes answer to him."

Sorry, it's a whimsical evening...
 

Blade1130

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Maze1125 said:
infinity + 1 = infinity
There's absolutely nothing wrong with him producing that extra 1, infinity is such that it allows that.
Not true, infinity + 1 does in fact equal infinity, however the second infinity is greater than the infinity used first.

To use overly complicated mathematics to prove something conceptually quite simple.

The definition of L'Hopital's Rule is:
(where f(x) & g(x) are continuous, differentiable functions and f'(x) is the derivative of f(x) and g'(x) is the derivative of g(x))

If Lim[sub]x->a[/sub](f(x) / g(x)) = 0 / 0 || inf / inf then
Lim[sub]x->a[/sub](f(x) / g(x)) = Lim[sub]x->a[/sub](f'(x) / g'(x))

We can use this rule to prove how one function grows greater than another and thereby how one infinity is greater than another. Consider the example:

If f(x) = e[sup]x[/sup] and g(x) = x

Lim[sub]x->inf[/sub](e[sup]x[/sup] / x) = e[sup]inf[/sup] / inf = inf / inf (therefore L'Hopital's Rule applies, thus we derive the top and bottom and find the limit)

Lim[sub]x->inf[/sub](e[sup]x[/sup] / 1) = e[sup]inf[/sup] / 1 = e[sup]inf[/sup] = inf

The answer of infinity tells us that f(x) = e[sup]x[/sup] grows faster than g(x) = x, which can be seen quite obviously by graphing both equations. But if we simply plug in infinity to both equations we get:
f(inf) = e[sup]inf[/sup] = inf AND g(inf) = inf

By this logic f(inf) = g(inf), but as L'Hopital's Rule proves, f(x) grows faster than g(x) and (after checking initial values) there is no point x on the interval (-inf, inf) in which g(x) >= f(x). Therefore f(x) != g(x) on any x. As such infinity does not equal infinity.

Infinity can equal infinity, but it must be the same infinity. The infinity that is the result of f(x) is greater than the infinity created by g(x). Although f(inf) does equal infinity, it is a different infinity than the one in g(inf).

By the way there is a small error in there, I'm curious if anyone can find it and call me out on it. I'm at a loss of how to explain it without that error, but lets see if anyone finds it to begin with.

EDIT: To go back to the original example he is saying (1 - 1) * inf = inf - inf = 1 which is not true.
(1 - 1) * inf = inf - inf = 0 as it should. Think about it in a way that does not use infinities.

(1 - 1) + (1 - 1) + (1 - 1) = 0 = true

Shifting all parentheses to the right

1 + (-1 + 1) + (-1 + 1) + (-1) = 0 = still true

He is forgetting that last -1, the fact that it is (1 - 1) * inf, means that EVEN TO INFINITY, there are the same number of 1's as -1's and therefore equals 0.
 

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Blade1130 said:
Maze1125 said:
infinity + 1 = infinity
There's absolutely nothing wrong with him producing that extra 1, infinity is such that it allows that.
Not true, infinity + 1 does in fact equal infinity, however the second infinity is greater than the infinity used first.
That's not quite correct. Infinity isn't a number, so it's quite hard to use it in a situation like this, but the size of an infinity depends on the cardinality. For example, the natural numbers (0, 1, 2, ...), the integers (... -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, ...) and the rational numbers (fractions) are all the same "level" of infinity; as weird as it sounds, they are all the same size. On the other hand, the real numbers are larger.
 

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Blade1130 said:
I accept this challenge, largely because I have nothing better to do at the moment.

Here I don't think you made any math errors, but it appears that the hare will never catch up to the tortoise on the surface, when he really will. I would take more of a Physics problem approach. (Assuming constant velocity for both animals)

If the tortoise moves a distance D / 2 in time t, with an initial position of D then it has a position equation of
s[sub]T[/sub](t) = (D / 2)t + D

If the hare moves a distance D in time t then it has a position equation of
s[sub]H[/sub](t) = Dt

Setting these two equations equal to each other gets you
s[sub]T[/sub](t) = s[sub]H[/sub](t)
(D / 2)t + D = Dt
D = t(D - (D / 2))
D = t(D / 2)
D / (D / 2) = t
t = 2?

That would be my guess.

As for a retaliatory riddle hmm... I recall an old word problem I got a long time ago.
3 people split a room in a hotel. It is $30 for a room, so they each pay $10. The manager feels that he has ripped them off, so he has a bell boy give them back $5. The men then don?t know how to split it so they tip the bell boy $2, then split the $3 among the 3 of them. So each man paid $9 which makes $27 + the $2 they gave to the bell boy makes $29... What happened to the extra dollar?
... I'm really not good at riddles apparently. I can't figure your's (or even my own out). I will assume your calculations were correct for my riddle but we still have a issue. Logically, the way the problem is stated one one theorize that the hare and tortoise never meet up but physics as well as common sense tells us otherwise.

One can use the concept of the Harmonic Series to prove this but I can't for the life of me find it in my damn Calculus notes.

I'm sorry, I can't find a way to solve your riddle.

Note: Pardon the delay, had to feed myself.
 

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Blade1130 said:
My half-assed way of making my Calc teacher hate me, is to take the limits of indeterminates and claim that's the answer. For instance:

(inf = infinity)
0 / 0 =~ 0.00000000001 / 0.0000000001 =~ 1 (Therefore 0 / 0 = 1)
0 ^ 0 =~ 0.00000000001 ^ 0.0000000001 =~ 1 (Therefore 0 ^ 0 = 1)
0 ^ inf =~ 0.00000000001 ^ 999999999999 =~ 0 (Therefore 0 ^ inf = 0)
inf ^ 0 =~ 9999999999999 ^ 0.0000000001 =~ 1 (Therefore inf ^ 0 = 1)
0 * inf =~ 0.00000000001 * 999999999999 =~ 1 (Therefore 0 * inf = 1)

I'm pretty sure there are answers to these (though I'm probably wrong), since L^Hopital Rule is pretty much an indirect way of solving indeterminates. But whatever, I'm too lazy to do anything with that. It's the weekend.
I don't get it. How is saying that something very close to 0 divided by anothing thing very close to zero=1 mean 0/0=1? Am I missing something? I haven't done limits or analysis in shcool yet, so...

EDIT: Doesn't matter. Cerdog, who quoted you, has convinced me you are probably wrong, sorry.
 

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Ahhhh, that's adorable! You think you did something amazing. Did you make a little medal for yourself out of a bottle cap and a safety pin? Because you totally should.

Dividing by zero isn't an actual operation. You might as well be trying to divide by carrot. But, since you came all this way, you want to see a neat trick?

0[sup]0[/sup]=1

Neat, right? Nothing, to the power of nothing, is something! Something can be created from nothing! Math proves it!

[Just because you can apply the rules, doesn't mean the rules apply.]
 

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gritch said:
... I'm really not good at riddles apparently. I can't figure your's (or even my own out). I will assume your calculations were correct for my riddle but we still have a issue. Logically, the way the problem is stated one one theorize that the hare and tortoise never meet up but physics as well as common sense tells us otherwise.

One can use the concept of the Harmonic Series to prove this but I can't for the life of me find it in my damn Calculus notes.

I'm sorry, I can't find a way to solve your riddle.

Note: Pardon the delay, had to feed myself.
Your riddle was really just a physical example of the halfway paradox (there is a better name but for the life of me I cannot remember it). If I walk from point A to point B, I must at some point reach a half way point, but before I reach the half way point, I must reach the 1/4 point, but before I reach the 1/4 point, I must reach the 1/8 point and so on. By this logic I cannot move because I must always reach a half way point of my intended destination.

Cerdog said:
That's not quite correct. Infinity isn't a number, so it's quite hard to use it in a situation like this, but the size of an infinity depends on the cardinality. For example, the natural numbers (0, 1, 2, ...), the integers (... -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, ...) and the rational numbers (fractions) are all the same "level" of infinity; as weird as it sounds, they are all the same size. On the other hand, the real numbers are larger.
True, infinity is not a number, it is a concept, and this makes it difficult to use mathematically. However this is not impossible. 1 + x > x for all real values of x. You might say infinity is not a real value, therefore the previous equation does not apply, which is somewhat correct. But lets think about that statement, Pi is not a real number. sqrt(2) is not a real number. sqrt(-1) is not a real number. But isn't Pi + 1 > Pi? Isn't sqrt(2) + 1 > sqrt(2)? Isn't sqrt(-1) + 1 > 1?

Consider the example of 0 / 0. It is not a real number and the equation (0 / 0) + 1 > 0 / 0 is debatable at best. However we can think about this in terms of limits and approximate an answer. As I've said previously 0.00000000001 / 0.00000000001 = 1.

Graph y = x / x and check the value at zero, you will get a hole in your graph. But as an old teacher once said to me, this does not mean that the answer does not exist (DNE). It instead means you're going about it the wrong way. y = x / x can be simplified to y = 1, therefore y(0) = 1 as I said above.

If you do the Lim[sub]x->0[/sub](x / x) you will get DNE as an answer. Unsolvable right? Wrong. As I said a couple posts back this is a very easy L'Hopital Rule problem, derive the top and bottom and you get Lim[sub]x->0[/sub](1 / 1) = 1.

Didn't I just prove that 0 / 0 = 1 three different ways? As such, the question of (0 / 0) + 1 > 0 / 0 can be proven by substitution. 1 + 1 > 1, I hope no one doubts that part.

I can't help but feel I'm going off-topic, you said that infinity + 1 = infinity because the infinity overpowers the 1 and can be simplified to infinity = infinity. However, let's look at it on a smaller scale. 0.0000000001 + 1 != 1. The 1 greatly overpowers the decimal, but it still has an effect. 1 + 0.000000001 > 1 no matter how small you make that decimal. In fact, lets make it the SMALLEST decimal, 1 + (1 / inf) > 1. Common sense will tell you that 1 / inf is the smallest positive number, since, isn't 1 divided by ANYTHING a positive number? It's a dammed small number, but a number nonetheless. If I could type this, I would say (1 / inf) equals 0.0(repeating)1. However, no matter how many decimal places you go, if you add 1 to an infinitely small number, you will still get a number greater than one. You can use this same logic to the infinity + 1 = infinity problem. No matter how big infinity is, if you add one to it, it gets bigger.

Infinity + 1 may equal infinity, since infinity + 1 can be simplified to just infinity. But that depends which level of infinity you use, as you said yourself. Infinity is not just a really big number, it also 1 + that number, it is also 2 + that number, it is also 1 million + that number, it is that number to the power of that number. Infinity holds an infinite range of values, none of them equal to one another, but all of them equally reachable.

A final example would be:
(2 * inf) - inf = inf (Because infinity is not being redefined mid-equation)
but
inf + 1 != inf (Because infinity is changing on the left side, but not the right, an algebraic impossibility.)

BehattedWanderer said:
0[sup]0[/sup]=1
Calculus says that 0[sup]0[/sup] is indeterminate. Officially, 0[sup]x[/sup] is 0 for all x, right? By that logic 0[sup]0[/sup] = 0. But x[sup]0[/sup] = 1 for all x, right? By that logic 0[sup]0[/sup] = 1. There are two rules of mathematics here that are fighting each other. Therefore the answer is considered indeterminate. Although if you take my limit answer, 0.0000000000001[sup]0.00000000000001[/sup] = 1. I have yet to have a mathematician validate this, but I have yet to be proven wrong as well.

BehattedWanderer said:
[Just because you can apply the rules, doesn't mean the rules apply.]
As much as I disapprove of the context of this statement, I like it. I'm going to have to remember that one.
 

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Blade1130 said:
True, infinity is not a number, it is a concept, and this makes it difficult to use mathematically. However this is not impossible. 1 + x > x for all real values of x. You might say infinity is not a real value, therefore the previous equation does not apply, which is somewhat correct. But lets think about that statement, Pi is not a real number. sqrt(2) is not a real number. sqrt(-1) is not a real number. But isn't Pi + 1 > Pi? Isn't sqrt(2) + 1 > sqrt(2)? Isn't sqrt(-1) + 1 > 1?
Pi and sqrt(2) are both real numbers. sqrt(-1) is not, and the last inequality doesn't make sense, because there isn't a notion of "greater than" for complex numbers.

Consider the example of 0 / 0. It is not a real number and the equation (0 / 0) + 1 > 0 / 0 is debatable at best. However we can think about this in terms of limits and approximate an answer. As I've said previously 0.00000000001 / 0.00000000001 = 1.
When you're dealing with things as awkward as 0/0, approximating isn't really that useful unless it's by limits, which we get onto in a moment.

Graph y = x / x and check the value at zero, you will get a hole in your graph. But as an old teacher once said to me, this does not mean that the answer does not exist (DNE). It instead means you're going about it the wrong way. y = x / x can be simplified to y = 1, therefore y(0) = 1 as I said above.
It can be simplified to y = 1 provided x =/= 0, partially for this very reason. You can't really make blanket statements like that.

If you do the Limx->0(x / x) you will get DNE as an answer. Unsolvable right? Wrong. As I said a couple posts back this is a very easy L'Hopital Rule problem, derive the top and bottom and you get Limx->0(1 / 1) = 1.

Didn't I just prove that 0 / 0 = 1 three different ways? As such, the question of (0 / 0) + 1 > 0 / 0 can be proven by substitution. 1 + 1 > 1, I hope no one doubts that part.
No. I've already discussed the first two methods, but the third is dubious as well. The entire point of limits is to avoid dividing by zero, particularly in calculus. For example, lim(x->0) (sin x)/x = 1, but that doesn't mean that (sin x)/x = 1 when x = 0. If it did, it would almost defeat the point of using limits in the first place.

I can't help but feel I'm going off-topic, you said that infinity + 1 = infinity because the infinity overpowers the 1 and can be simplified to infinity = infinity. However, let's look at it on a smaller scale. 0.0000000001 + 1 != 1. The 1 greatly overpowers the decimal, but it still has an effect. 1 + 0.000000001 > 1 no matter how small you make that decimal.
That's because 0.0000000001 is a number, and infinity is not.

In fact, lets make it the SMALLEST decimal, 1 + (1 / inf) > 1. Common sense will tell you that 1 / inf is the smallest positive number, since, isn't 1 divided by ANYTHING a positive number?
This has the same issue as the y = x/x thing from earlier. 1/anything is not always a positive number: for example, dividing it by -1 makes it a negative number. Dividing it by i makes it a complex number. You can't divide it by infinity at all, because you can't do arithmetic with infinity, because it isn't a number.

Also, common sense will often let you down in areas of maths like this, so it's not a justification.

It's a dammed small number, but a number nonetheless. If I could type this, I would say (1 / inf) equals 0.0(repeating)1. However, no matter how many decimal places you go, if you add 1 to an infinitely small number, you will still get a number greater than one. You can use this same logic to the infinity + 1 = infinity problem. No matter how big infinity is, if you add one to it, it gets bigger.

Infinity + 1 may equal infinity, since infinity + 1 can be simplified to just infinity. But that depends which level of infinity you use, as you said yourself. Infinity is not just a really big number, it also 1 + that number, it is also 2 + that number, it is also 1 million + that number, it is that number to the power of that number. Infinity holds an infinite range of values, none of them equal to one another, but all of them equally reachable.
I'm not entirely sure what point you're making here.

A final example would be:
(2 * inf) - inf = inf (Because infinity is not being redefined mid-equation)
but
inf + 1 != inf (Because infinity is changing on the left side, but not the right, an algebraic impossibility.)
Again, I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say. You can't do arithmetic with infinity at all.