I think Gaming is slowly dying.

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beniki

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*shrug* It's popular now. For every Dark Knight analogue of a video game we're going to get the disappointing yet somehow money making Transformers 2.

We've got good and bad. That's always been true. The point is, these days we've got more. So no. Gaming is not dieing, and it's kind of silly to be saying that in the face of all we've got coming to us just in the next month...
 

Omgsarge

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Gaming...is dying? Just because the big industry is ripping us of and doesn't show that much innovation? Sounds like mostly Hollywood to me.

Honestly, gaming is thriving. They creep into every aspect of our lives. They took cellphones by storm. There have never been more indi-games released ever and the low budget market is bigger than ever. Games are getting increasingly recognized as an art form by people all over the world.

I think gaming is changing, not dying. Why do people always have to be so extreme. Making random absolute statements will not help your position.
 

ckam

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I wouldn't say it's dying, but more-so becoming more of a cash grabbing machine than anything else... Damn it.
 

Dr Snakeman

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VanillaBean said:
I think someone needs to watch Extra Credits.
Quoted for great quantities of truth. Seriously, the Escapist already has guys who are paid to rant like this, and they do it far better than the OP.

Gaming isn't "dying", it's just changing. The Extra Credits team has already discussed this in detail. OP is obviously new here, so I'll cut him some slack for not being familiar with the prevailing thought about this topic on this site.
 

Adzma

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As long as the fanboys flock to CoD and its various clones I'm sure gaming will be fine. Look up some indie games. They're the main source of enjoyment in this day and age.
 

The Stonker

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You're quite the pessimistic elitist person aren't you?
First of all, cash ins will always exist, always and for fuck sakes, sure, video games have been aknowledged as art but that doesn't mean everybody has to be fancy pantsy artsy.
Personally, I think that gaming is doing quite well and it won't be dying at all.
They said the same about card games and they said it about RPGS.

Video gaming is here to stay.
 

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there are more gamers now than there have ever been, and gaming is a multi-billion dollar industry. despite increasing piracy, lack of originality, and ridiculous gimmicks like motion control and whatnot, i dont see gaming "dying" any time soon, if ever.

personally, i think it would grow much more nicely if all the casual gamers would get their heads out of their asses and try playing real games... games that can be considered art.

and people that just arent willing to play anything that isnt uber-popular need to try other games as well. Call of Duty multiplayer is absolutely filled with these people. next time you play against a group of tenth prestiges, take a look at their gamerscore and games played. i like to do this every once in a while, because i already know what ill see before i even look. they almost always have less than 2000 gamerscore, despite being a 2 or so-year old account, and their games played consist of nothing but CoD, Madden, Guitar Hero, Rockband, and possibly Halo. they usually dont even have the campaign half-completed for CoD, even though they likely play the game almost every day.

people have no idea just what they are missing out on.
 

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Hmm, perhaps instead of saying that it was dying, I should have used the word stagnating. Or specified that the creativity is dying. And by dying I mean everything getting streamlined, AAA games being the only things that get anywhere, everyone following the leader and getting samey-samey games that have been oversimplified. 2011 seems to be one of the best years for unique games, but my point still stands

Oh, and Cliffy B said Gears 2 was not ported because of Pirates. http://kotaku.com/5056532/why-no-gears-of-war-2-for-pc-well-piracy-for-one
You do realize there's a MASSIVE difference between those two, right? Dying implies the industry is in a serious fix and is at risk of going completely bankrupt; Stagnating only implies moral/ethical bankruptcy.

Now I have no idea what you're talking about when you say everything's getting "streamlined." A large chunk of the reason games have become "simpler" is either because A. veteran gamers have been around their controllers of choice for so long that they could punch in a 1000-button sequence on cue while blindfolded, B. most find it alienating for a game of the same genre to have vastly different controls, or C. after roughly 2 generations of catering to the "hardcore" and "veteran" gamers - basically those who started on the generation past and are crossing over into the new generation - developers/publishers are FINALLY going back and trying to introduce gaming to the "new"/"casual" people out there, who typically never picked up a controller until now.

And as for making everything "samey-samey", uh, take a look at the SNES-Early PS1 era. Mario, Sonic, and Donkey Kong were all basically the same game with different aesthetics. Until the PS1/N64 era brought us 3D, 90% of all "popular" games followed the same side-scrolling formula; the only difference between THAT "samey-samey" era and this one is that the SNES era was allowed to create fantastically absurd scenarios to try to intrigue the young gamers out there.

And let's not talk about Cash Cows, shall we? Mario, Sonic, Donkey Kong, Megaman, Final Fantasy (Before X), Zelda, need I go on? Your beef seems to hang around the modern ideal of giving the first game an outstanding storyline that gets shat on with the sequel. Well, as valid of a point as that may be, it's not going to deter publishers from trying to get as much money as possible from a franchise.

Follow-The-Leader and Milking Cash Cows are such common business practices, not only in the gaming industry but in most modern media industries, that calling them out for adhering to them is like calling out a dog for licking its crotch every 30 minutes.

Now, onto your other points. Piracy is NOT just a problem with PC. Have you not been paying even a token amount of attention to all the crap Sony's been through lately? Before the whole hacking fiasco, they were suing a guy for millions of dollars because he created a means to bypass the PS3's security and play pirated games. Before this generation, PS2s were constantly cracked open, either to remove the region locks or the security to play whatever (pirated) game they chose. I have a buddy who owns a Dreamcast and had a buddy of his burn roughly 30 games for it many years ago, since he couldn't find them anywhere else. Piracy has been apparent in consoles for a long time, it just hasn't been as mainstream until now.

DLC is certainly your most valid point, but it might be a moot point for what it's worth. Remember, way back when subscription fees first started popping around, there were people who opposed them vehemently, for many of the same reasons people now are opposing DLC. I'm not saying it's right to have day-one DLC - personally I think that much is just a disgusting way to withhold content from the mass hordes of "Used" players - but who knows what may happen a decade or so down the line, when DLC becomes accepted and the gaming industry decides to create YET ANOTHER means of charging us to play their games.

Now, as many have undoubtedly said, true innovation, regardless of its form and regardless of industry, is expensive and ultimately risky. It's the exact same thing as putting all your money on a single number in Roulette. If you win, you strike it big, and everyone around you is envious, to the point of wishing they had made the same bet you did. However, if you lose, you're out of everything, and if you weren't careful you will have lost all means of playing again. So, instead of putting everything on a single number, most publishers will force developers to put their money on Red or Black, or in the present case "Realistic" or "Shooter". Sure, they won't make enough money to retire at an early age, but they'll at least be able to keep playing.
 

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a similar question was posed to the lead designer of travlers tails (lego games) at a seminar i was at. He said its actually growing more then any other medium in the world. its not stagnating as such; large companies have to spend millions to come up with AAA games so they are unwilling to move away from tried and tested methods. So yeah AAA titles tend to be the same games over and over. but indy devs are just as big and booming as the massive corps, and its the indy devs who can risk making new concepts. If a concept hits big on the indy market then AAA devs will consider bringing it into the open gaming market through one of their titles, that way no risk!
 

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I don't think so with this rest of this year's and next year's line up it looks pretty dang good. I mean look at Mass Effect 3 coming out as well as Skyrim which for some people seems to be their second coming of christ.
 

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In regards to "not doing it for the art", take a look at the music industry.
While there are more shit being produced now than ever, it is not in any way dying.
Some great stuff is still being produced, and I feel it's the same with games. There's tons of shovelware, but great titles are still being released, and not that rarely.
 

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Zhukov said:
Yep. Gaming is doomed.

Doomed, I say.

[HEADING=2]Doomed![/HEADING]

Incedentally, anyone see that new Alice trailer? Lookin' pretty darn good.
Meh. THe art style looks excellent, the gameplay looks painfully generic.

and the topic is stupid. We might have worse games made, but it's a mulit-billion dollar industry. No problems
 

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SpartanBlackman said:
1. Pirates and Consolisation
Okay, I stopped right there. Throwing around the term "consolisation" only means that this is another whiny "Waaah, console gamers are getting to play my PC games" rant. Guess what: you're not better than console gamers just because you have a keyboard and mouse. And game publishers and developers want to make money, which means getting their games on as many platforms as possible. Get over it, and especially stop making ludicrous claims like gaming is dying because 360 owners will get to play Witcher 2.
 

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If a guy in Sweden can become a respected millionaire with a solo pc project, then it kind of puts to bed your argument about AAA companies entirely leading t5he pack with no outside influence (not to mention the whole "PC GAMING R DEAD" argument).

Not to mention your talk of "dumbing down" games due to the popularity of consoles, just because a franchise is on a pc does not make it automatically better (let's face it, if they made a pc port of Limbo with a thousand-and-one shaders as well as ten different movement buttons simply because it's what the pc is capable of it would hardly be an improvement of a console-produced game) and at the end of the day games shouldn't be so complex that the immersion is lost because you have to scroll through fifty different forums and eat the manual in rage because of games with unneccesarily complex mechanisms and menu systems.

And while I whole-heartedly agree that games follow the leader (and that we're seeing sub-par greyish brown shooters galore because of it) that's what all mediums are guilty of, and considering the fact that it looks like most of the gaming community is holding it's breath to see footage of a game set in a turn of the century floating worlds fair run by racists and characterised by crow-fighting and colour (seriously, everything is so freakin' colourful in what I've seen of Infinite so far) I'd say that originality and quality will always be more appreciated than samey goop (look at MOH and the DA2 hatred).
 

lord canti

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Gaming is not dying. It's more along the lines of wandering off the correct path and we the consumers are the only ones who can get it corrected.
 
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Gaming? Dying? So you've played all the good games ever made and got bored of them?

People could stop making new games tomorrow and I've still got enough good ones to last me the rest of my life.

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