It's got it's challenges like any other industry and I think a lot of these problems will be solved next-gen. If a problem really begins to affect the industry you can bet that the big players (such as Nintendo) will do something about it.
I think Gaming is slowly dying.
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seriously just about every bloody day i see threads about the decline of video games and shit.
get off your high horses video games now a days are massive affairs with stunning visuals, stellar voice acting and usually brilliant writing.
gaming dying slowly my arse.
Ok lets be honest here I think a lot of the problems with the last two points can be solved after the recession is over. Now as much as I hate shovelware I would rather see as many companies survive this recession with the possible double dip as possible. They are companies you know they do have stock holders that just care about whether the company is turning a profit, has cash inflow, has a 1:1 Quick Ratio, etc.
Number 2 is just a problem with people paying for shit DLC. Stop paying and companies will stop doing it simple as. I do not support any form of DLC bar the Bethesda DLC which is the whole Shivering Isle + Knight of the Nine pack as well as the whole DLC in one pack for FO 3. Aside from that I will never ever buy DLC.
Ok Piracy is not ruining PC gaming. Piracy is just an excuse for devs to move to consoles where they have a larger market thus should have in theory better revenue and since people on average on consoles are less informed(I don't mean to offend anyone but given that the last time a little survey was done on Escapist roughly the community was split down the middle in terms of being console or PC gamer. Given that there are way more console gamers than PC gamers the ratio should have reflected this if they cared as much once again in general terms about gaming news and changes) they will have a higher demand for games if they pull shit like remove features as a lot won't know about it until they buy the game.
Anyway I am sick of saying this but Piracy for games is just as rampant on consoles as on PC. With PC piracy you have a much more accurate view of the scale of piracy due to basically all PC pirates not being lazy and torrent it themselves. While console pirates are a bit lazier and not technically able to chip their consoles. Once again I don't mean this as an insult but PC gaming does require people to be more technically literate with building your own PC and using Google for troubleshooting etc. So how do console people pirate well most go to some guy/gal and get them to chip their console them buy games off them. So for each downloaded console pirated game it does have more spin off piracy as PC don't usually give out the file to that degree AFTER DOWNLOADING(that needs to be in caps and bold as in other thread some guy/gal didn't understand that spin off piracy in terms of what I am talking about means after they download the file).
Number 2 is just a problem with people paying for shit DLC. Stop paying and companies will stop doing it simple as. I do not support any form of DLC bar the Bethesda DLC which is the whole Shivering Isle + Knight of the Nine pack as well as the whole DLC in one pack for FO 3. Aside from that I will never ever buy DLC.
Ok Piracy is not ruining PC gaming. Piracy is just an excuse for devs to move to consoles where they have a larger market thus should have in theory better revenue and since people on average on consoles are less informed(I don't mean to offend anyone but given that the last time a little survey was done on Escapist roughly the community was split down the middle in terms of being console or PC gamer. Given that there are way more console gamers than PC gamers the ratio should have reflected this if they cared as much once again in general terms about gaming news and changes) they will have a higher demand for games if they pull shit like remove features as a lot won't know about it until they buy the game.
Anyway I am sick of saying this but Piracy for games is just as rampant on consoles as on PC. With PC piracy you have a much more accurate view of the scale of piracy due to basically all PC pirates not being lazy and torrent it themselves. While console pirates are a bit lazier and not technically able to chip their consoles. Once again I don't mean this as an insult but PC gaming does require people to be more technically literate with building your own PC and using Google for troubleshooting etc. So how do console people pirate well most go to some guy/gal and get them to chip their console them buy games off them. So for each downloaded console pirated game it does have more spin off piracy as PC don't usually give out the file to that degree AFTER DOWNLOADING(that needs to be in caps and bold as in other thread some guy/gal didn't understand that spin off piracy in terms of what I am talking about means after they download the file).
OP:http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2821-Ludus-Florentis
That pretty much covers it. We may be in a AAA grind of sorts, but that video explains it very well.
--The way I see it-- There will be indie games to arise, and fill in some AAA spots. Don't forget all AAA publishers and studios started as ideas and indie devs trying to find a way to show their work. It's a process. We see Activision and EA today. In 5 years, we might be talking about some side-scrolling retro publisher from the original Sonic Team, or a complete new game genre. 5 years ago, no body had forseen a string of crappy super hero movies to make a big one. It's an industry. It'll rock and it'll roll. It's rolling a bit now, but when the next tide of innovation comes to the industry, when all of the "Console Age Kids" get out of school and start becoming devs, there will be a change in the tides of the industry. We are consumers, not devs. We ride the roller coasters they develop, and the only thing in a dev's mind is..."I hope they love this after all of the work we put into it."
That pretty much covers it. We may be in a AAA grind of sorts, but that video explains it very well.
--The way I see it-- There will be indie games to arise, and fill in some AAA spots. Don't forget all AAA publishers and studios started as ideas and indie devs trying to find a way to show their work. It's a process. We see Activision and EA today. In 5 years, we might be talking about some side-scrolling retro publisher from the original Sonic Team, or a complete new game genre. 5 years ago, no body had forseen a string of crappy super hero movies to make a big one. It's an industry. It'll rock and it'll roll. It's rolling a bit now, but when the next tide of innovation comes to the industry, when all of the "Console Age Kids" get out of school and start becoming devs, there will be a change in the tides of the industry. We are consumers, not devs. We ride the roller coasters they develop, and the only thing in a dev's mind is..."I hope they love this after all of the work we put into it."
It's dying because of the Deus Ex fanbase and what they're trying to do to human revolution.
It's also dying because gamers are so moronic they don't even know what consolisation means and then somehow think they're being oppressed like the OP. Sigh.
Dumbed down =! consolisation =! porting =! console game =! casual console game people.
It's also dying because gamers are so moronic they don't even know what consolisation means and then somehow think they're being oppressed like the OP. Sigh.
Dumbed down =! consolisation =! porting =! console game =! casual console game people.
I just want to say something here on the dumbing down of games for consoles. Games should be optimised for the platform they are on. I wouldn't expect them to take out vibration for consoles since we can't have it on PC. So I would expect we should be able to split commands that would be one button for console game as they need it because of lower input options. I can't tell you how many scrims I lost in CoD 2 because pick up weapons and defuse bomb were the same button. When one second can make the difference in a match like that it is a problem.Pegghead said:
Then there are other games that cry out for a keyboard because they need the extra commands. A game like that for me was ME. Now you might feel differently and that is fine but I found that the ability wheel completely and utterly ruined the combat. I would have much preferred a load of hotkeys so I didn't pause combat when I went to use a skill.
I have also never had any problems with complex controls on PC. You can make them as simple as you like. The only time something like that gets too complex is in a flight sim and if you go into those thinking the controls will be simple you have been grossly mislead. Although I will admit people on the PC can take the "dumbing" down process too far.
No. It's not, it's done what a lot of things in the past have - look at books, just like gaming - it splits off into branches, series, auto biography's etc. Then someone decides to ruin it and write something stupid not mentioning any names to avoid offending people >.>.
But gaming is just doing that - someone saw opportunity and abused it, making terrible casual games, pay per month games etc.
Terrible things will come from anything that becomes popular but it's true games, which continue - even if they are few nowadays. Things like Skyrim (sorry to have to mention it) etc hold lots of promise.
But gaming is just doing that - someone saw opportunity and abused it, making terrible casual games, pay per month games etc.
Terrible things will come from anything that becomes popular but it's true games, which continue - even if they are few nowadays. Things like Skyrim (sorry to have to mention it) etc hold lots of promise.
Games are not dying as a medium, they're just dying for you because you're getting older and noticing all of the retarded things that the games industry does these days.
hold on, the medium that keeps growing is dying? What backwards ass world are you from?
I mean fuck, try being a fan of the comics medium. THERE'S dying.
I mean fuck, try being a fan of the comics medium. THERE'S dying.
I'd say that gaming has never been stronger than today and I have seen some really good games and promising projects this year. Even games like DA2 was far from bad you're all just pissed because it's not like your beloved original. I think that the indie developers are doing better than ever thanks to steam and such services.
DLC is a great way for developers to earn a few extra dollars on the game if people enjoy playing it enough to pay for it.
Gaming has ALWAYS been about money, just like TV, movies and even most books and it always will be just get over it. It's not killing the medium, it's what keeps it going.
DLC is a great way for developers to earn a few extra dollars on the game if people enjoy playing it enough to pay for it.
Gaming has ALWAYS been about money, just like TV, movies and even most books and it always will be just get over it. It's not killing the medium, it's what keeps it going.
SpartanBlackman said:
Console games get pirated to and are just as easy. DLC is not for all games. yes many of the AAA titles are getting dug up and worsened but there is now so much opportunity out there for indy developers. I think many people overlook how much work go into these games. you can not look at a game like halo reach or mass effect 2 and say there was no art or effort. Most games before 2001 are not as good as the fans have made them out to be. N64 and PS1 were great but looking back it is clear that games are developing and moving forward.
"blops: an attempt to balance the game"
you must have alteration detection of the gods man, the guns are FUCKING MASSIVELY less balanced then they were in the other ones. which ultimately affects the whole experience.
you must have alteration detection of the gods man, the guns are FUCKING MASSIVELY less balanced then they were in the other ones. which ultimately affects the whole experience.
why does everyone seem to belive that the gears of war games are stagnating re-hashes. " we dont want anymore gray-brown relistic Gears of war 7" they say...
You do relise there has been 2 gears games. Just 2. with a third comeing. They each get 3 year developement time. Also, gears may not have a bright colour scheme, but the gray brown is needed in gears as it matches the atmosphere of the game. I find that the colour scheme and use of lighting really add to the game.
Also, to people who think gears is boring because it tries to be realistic, on one stage of a mission you are fighting stomach monsters in the intestines of a 2 mile long worm.
You do relise there has been 2 gears games. Just 2. with a third comeing. They each get 3 year developement time. Also, gears may not have a bright colour scheme, but the gray brown is needed in gears as it matches the atmosphere of the game. I find that the colour scheme and use of lighting really add to the game.
Also, to people who think gears is boring because it tries to be realistic, on one stage of a mission you are fighting stomach monsters in the intestines of a 2 mile long worm.
I believe you have mistaken this so called death of gaming with repetitevness... Gaming isn't dying. For every 2 or 3 bad games there is one good. Nothing can be perfect. If you state this for gaming the statement should be equally true for music, because the industry now is full of absolutely stupid and needless bands and what-nots... so it's not dying. That's just how change works. Someday you'll get it and you'll see that there's nothing to be afraid of - someday we'll have more good games than bad, that's what I like to believe. Untill then play something classic and listen to something classic and just wait. ^^
There will always be generic rubbish in all genres in all forms of entertainment, some fans will claim these generic money-makers are the end; they never are.
The movie industry has been collectively out of ideas for the past 10 years at least and they're still kicking. With the death of physical medium, indies will have a better chance at selling their product and we'll get some more diversity.