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If any one was curious a study published this week looking at almost 120K people over 3 decades has determined that people following, as in actually following, the dietary guidelines for Americans had the lowest risk for cause specific mortality.



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If any one was curious a study published this week looking at almost 120K people over 3 decades has determined that people following, as in actually following, the dietary guidelines for Americans had the lowest risk for cause specific mortality.



Working on getting access to the full article through TOTALLY LEGAL AND RESPECTABLE MEANS.
Wait wait wait, are you trying to imply that health professionals might have honestly reported facts?
 

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If any one was curious a study published this week looking at almost 120K people over 3 decades has determined that people following, as in actually following, the dietary guidelines for Americans had the lowest risk for cause specific mortality.
Well, yes.

There's an awful lot of crap in the world of nutrition and diets, but the fundamentals of healthy eating aren't that tricky. The ~1980 guidelines might have been based on some claims we now know to be inaccurate and not been optimal, but still was overall good advice for healthy eating.

In practice, the obesity epidemic is not so much the fault of some scientific misconception over whether fats or sugars are worse, but that people enjoy food full of fats and/or sugars, often lack the interest or education to know better, and companies are more than happy to exploit that to make lots of money. Sure, they had a selling point of saying "low fat" when they'd bunged in tons of carbohydrates instead, but it's not like the guidelines ever said "Hey, loads of carbs, that's no problem at all!"
 

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Well, yes.

There's an awful lot of crap in the world of nutrition and diets, but the fundamentals of healthy eating aren't that tricky. The ~1980 guidelines might have been based on some claims we now know to be inaccurate and not been optimal, but still was overall good advice for healthy eating.

In practice, the obesity epidemic is not so much the fault of some scientific misconception over whether fats or sugars are worse, but that people enjoy food full of fats and/or sugars, often lack the interest or education to know better, and companies are more than happy to exploit that to make lots of money. Sure, they had a selling point of saying "low fat" when they'd bunged in tons of carbohydrates instead, but it's not like the guidelines ever said "Hey, loads of carbs, that's no problem at all!"
Oh... I can see why that seems out of place if you haven't been around. So this thread about Desantis largely devolved into nonsense about nutrition for reasons I won't get into.
 

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To get back on topic: here we have the outcome of DeSantis' effort to vigorously pursue the non-issue of voter fraud.


Unarmed people arrested at gunpoint in their underwear; cops taking semi-autos to deal with suspicions of completely nonviolent crimes. Just for the charges to be dropped almost immediately.

"Voter fraud" continues to be nothing but an opportunity for right-wing politicians to posture and spread their cred among the credulous.
 

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Like I keep saying: Their definition of "woke" is "anything that does not glorify me as a straight white Christian American man".
I'm sure De Santis can provide us with a proper analysis from independent, neutral educational specialists that he used to defend his decision.

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I'm sure De Santis can provide us with a proper analysis from independent, neutral educational specialists that he used to defend his decision.

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No, see, they disagree with him, making them evil propagandizing woke anti-Christian leftists
 

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Are you?

You seem to be claiming all sorts of stuff as common sense (which translates as what you do, obvs) and yet at the same time are coming out with stuff that's extremely dubious ('Don't eat breakfast!') and giving apparently little or no tolerance for the fact that other people can eat in healthy and reasonable ways that are different from you.

For instance, some people will do better with a decent breakfast than no breakfast - there is reasonable evidence to support this. Going around claiming you've got the answers and giving what will be for some people objectively bad advice is not helping them eat more healthily.

A better reality is understanding that people are individuals, with different life situations, different psychologies, different genes and so on. There are good general rules, like don't eat loads of processed foods, sugars and fats, but really what you need is to take each person as an individual and work out what will work best for them, not come out with dodgy rules misleadingly defended by pseudoscience and bluff that won't help a load of people.
Simply don't eat carbs unless they come with their natural fibers. That's pretty much it.

There's no reason to think eating that standard 3 meals a day is something that is best or needs to be done. Breakfast for most people is just carbs sans their fibers (like a Starbucks dessert in a cup) and is usually most people's worst meal of the day.

I literally have said you just need to eat REAL food that YOU like and YOU'LL be fine. That to you is too strict and not understanding differences between people?


Why would a specific African American studies program be of better educational value than a different program? I learned everything important about it without such a program. I learned about Japanese internment camps without an Asian American studies program and was confused when a Last Week Tonight was talking about said camps like it was some unknown thing.
 

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Why would a specific African American studies program be of better educational value than a different program? I learned everything important about it without such a program. I learned about Japanese internment camps without an Asian American studies program and was confused when a Last Week Tonight was talking about said camps like it was some unknown thing.
It's almost as if your lived experience is not universal.
 

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Why would a specific African American studies program be of better educational value than a different program? I learned everything important about it without such a program. I learned about Japanese internment camps without an Asian American studies program and was confused when a Last Week Tonight was talking about said camps like it was some unknown thing.
So you agree win Ron DeSantis that this AP African American Studies program has no educational value and cannot be offered as an elective by schools?
 
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Simply don't eat carbs unless they come with their natural fibers. That's pretty much it.
Why not? It's not a problem in moderation.

There's no reason to think eating that standard 3 meals a day is something that is best or needs to be done.
This is just a truism.

The most important issue is whether "three meals a day" is a sensible framework to build upon for a healthy eating regime... and it is. No-one has to do it, and plenty those who choose not to will also be fine. It might not have compelling evidence of superiority. It might not be optimal for some people, but optimal is pointless bullshit for anyone who doesn't want to dedicate themselves to diet, which is most of the population.

What's going on with public health advice is giving simple and straightforward advice that's easy to understand and put into practice by the majority of people. And that's the real premium: simple, straightfoward, practical: so there's a chance even the most simple of people have a shot of actually doing it. At the point the rules get ever more complex and inconvenient, the more and more people with low interest will just get confused, switch off and generally take no advice at all. Anyone who wants to put in that extra effort and eat super-well can go do the extra legwork for what's good for them on their own, although I suspect a substantial number of them try out wanky, faddish diets instead.

I have literally no idea what you think you are achieving here. It seems little more than a straw man.

I literally have said you just need to eat REAL food that YOU like and YOU'LL be fine.
A spoonful of the most refined white sugar is every bit as much "real" food as an organic red onion is. "Real" is not a useful word here.

Why would a specific African American studies program be of better educational value than a different program? I learned everything important about it without such a program. I learned about Japanese internment camps without an Asian American studies program and was confused when a Last Week Tonight was talking about said camps like it was some unknown thing.
You're asking the wrong question. The correct question is "What is wrong with the educational value of an African American studies programme such that it needs to be banned"?

Because, you know, that's the core idea of liberty: we generally don't ban things unless they are sufficiently harmful.
 

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Why not? It's not a problem in moderation.



This is just a truism.

The most important issue is whether "three meals a day" is a sensible framework to build upon for a healthy eating regime... and it is. No-one has to do it, and plenty those who choose not to will also be fine. It might not have compelling evidence of superiority. It might not be optimal for some people, but optimal is pointless bullshit for anyone who doesn't want to dedicate themselves to diet, which is most of the population.

What's going on with public health advice is giving simple and straightforward advice that's easy to understand and put into practice by the majority of people. And that's the real premium: simple, straightfoward, practical: so there's a chance even the most simple of people have a shot of actually doing it. At the point the rules get ever more complex and inconvenient, the more and more people with low interest will just get confused, switch off and generally take no advice at all. Anyone who wants to put in that extra effort and eat super-well can go do the extra legwork for what's good for them on their own, although I suspect a substantial number of them try out wanky, faddish diets instead.

I have literally no idea what you think you are achieving here. It seems little more than a straw man.



A spoonful of the most refined white sugar is every bit as much "real" food as an organic red onion is. "Real" is not a useful word here.



You're asking the wrong question. The correct question is "What is wrong with the educational value of an African American studies programme such that it needs to be banned"?

Because, you know, that's the core idea of liberty: we generally don't ban things unless they are sufficiently harmful.
I had this argument for about 6 pages my man. I wouldn't waste your energy. The guy can not parse studies and cannot differentiate good advice from bad and, like in many topics, finds one charlatan grifter and holds them up as "the" expert because they back up what he already believes because he falls for every right wing grift that exists.

Like I already explained that the studies that show a benefit to Intermittent fasting all suffer from a number of issues such as being on animal studies or not equating calorie intake. He then shared a meta analysis that said that exact same thing.
 
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It's almost as if your lived experience is not universal.
Nope, just saying you can fit the important African American education into current history/social studies courses just fine.


So you agree win Ron DeSantis that this AP African American Studies program has no educational value and cannot be offered as an elective by schools?
I don't think grade school and high school should have elective courses. The amount a necessary basic skills/knowledge that the younger generation doesn't have is staggering.


Why not? It's not a problem in moderation.



This is just a truism.

The most important issue is whether "three meals a day" is a sensible framework to build upon for a healthy eating regime... and it is. No-one has to do it, and plenty those who choose not to will also be fine. It might not have compelling evidence of superiority. It might not be optimal for some people, but optimal is pointless bullshit for anyone who doesn't want to dedicate themselves to diet, which is most of the population.

What's going on with public health advice is giving simple and straightforward advice that's easy to understand and put into practice by the majority of people. And that's the real premium: simple, straightfoward, practical: so there's a chance even the most simple of people have a shot of actually doing it. At the point the rules get ever more complex and inconvenient, the more and more people with low interest will just get confused, switch off and generally take no advice at all. Anyone who wants to put in that extra effort and eat super-well can go do the extra legwork for what's good for them on their own, although I suspect a substantial number of them try out wanky, faddish diets instead.

I have literally no idea what you think you are achieving here. It seems little more than a straw man.



A spoonful of the most refined white sugar is every bit as much "real" food as an organic red onion is. "Real" is not a useful word here.



You're asking the wrong question. The correct question is "What is wrong with the educational value of an African American studies programme such that it needs to be banned"?

Because, you know, that's the core idea of liberty: we generally don't ban things unless they are sufficiently harmful.
The problem is that people don't know that eating carbs without said fiber is bad. It's not that you can't ever eat a cookie but when you think eating cookies regularly is OK, that's the problem. People eat tons of carbs regularly without the natural fiber.

I never said 3 meals a day is bad. I pointed out that breakfast most people eat is really bad for them and giving that up would be a good step. There's no reason to eat breakfast because you've been told 'it's the most important meal of the day". If you are obese, then you want to switch to your body using fat as energy and eating less meals will help jump start that process (breakfast is probably their worse meal and the easiest one to give up since far less social nature to it than lunch and dinner). The trick is not to deprive yourself of food (using sheer willpower) but eating in a way that you won't feel like you're depriving yourself of food as one is sustainable and the other isn't. You want the sustainable one obviously.

Public health advice in America is pretty shit. US nutrition "expert" literally just said on 60 Minutes that genetics plays the biggest part in obesity... That right there is far more dangerous misinformation than any said about covid ever.


By real food, I mean food that is present in nature that we as a species are used to eating and digesting. Spoonful of sugar is not something we have ever been used to eating for 99.99999% of our life as a species. Eating fruit is fine, drinking fruit juice is not fine as it removes the natural fibers that were are used to having with said sugars. Whether that apple or orange that you're eating is organic or not means very little. Drinking organic orange juice is bad but eating a non-organic orange is good.

Grade school and high school should teach kids important knowledge and skills needed for adulthood. Anything not in the official curriculum is essentially banned. A teacher can't spend history class teaching kids the history of like subwoofers for a whole semester for example.
 

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Study indicating that people who eat breakfast tend to burn more calories throughout the day due to increased activity. And that regular breakfast eaters have more stable glucose responses throughout the day.

If people want to skip breakfast fine but IF isn't magic and if you struggle with skipping a morning meal then it likely isn't a sustainable weightloss strategy.


Aslo way to prove my point that your diet views are based on culture war silliness. You truly are a product of your youtube algorithm.
 
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