Imminent ACTA threat

[paasi]

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/European_Commission_%22advance_warning%22_summary_on_ACTA_Internet_Chapter%2C_30_Sep_2009

Basically, the US government is attempting to muscle through these trade agreements to severely limit freedom of speech and internet use.
These negotiations don't even have any consumer representatives participating and Obama denies their participation.

A few clauses from the "wish list":
* In all ACTA countries hefty fines act as intimidation in cases of developer rights violations

* Service providers are made responsible for their clients violations. They are released from responsibility ONLY by including in their service agreements some actively pre-emtive measures to which clients MUST agree to if they wish to have an internet connection.
This way Hollywood, RIAA and IFPI aquire an intimidation & penalty machination straight from their dreams, without national parliaments or the EU-parliament to need to pass a law for it.
Conveniently, this private police/penal system lacks all those inconvenient delays like; fair trial, security of the accuseds rights.

* All ACTA-countries take into use Digital Millenium Copyright Act -like system, with which all copyright holders may demand service providers to remove all copyright infringing materials from different websites and services.
This system is also very handy for censoring sites under baseless or questionable accusations.

* Bypassing DRM-protection will be criminalized, where it still is allowed, and manufacture and selling will be criminalized. Any sort of DRM-compatibility will not be required from the manufacurers in their systems.

* Customs officers will be given authority to search for copyright infringing materials from passengers mp3-players, cellphones and laptops


Looks like WW3 is about to start...
First there were the Germans and ostracising of the Jewish, then the Soviet Union and ostracising of the rich and now United States and ostracising of Internet users.

I there no one who could do something?!

EDIT: Note that this agreement would effect the US, Canada, EU, Japan, Australia, Switzerland and all other negotiation parties.

 

[XJ-0461]

Well, a couple of things spring immediatly to mind:

1)That site doesn't seem that credible to me.

2)If something like this did happen, there would be so much of a public shit storm that it would have to be reversed.

3)I'm from England, so this wouldn't really affect me.

 

[blackshark121]

I heard about this; total bull. There is now way in hell anyone would let this become a true law.

 

[axia777]

This will never pass. And if it does I say we all rebel in some way. They can all go fuck themselves with a brick right were the sun don't shine!

 

[paasi]

First: the US wishes to completely bypass EU, Switzerland, Canada, Japan, Australia and other negotiating parties democratic- and citizen bodies to force it down as a trade agreement.
And yes, the EU encompasses the UK.

Second: It really is a... groteque fact that WikiLeaks IS infact the sole source of information for even the EU-Parliament members in Brussels.

Third: I'd pray to any god that this wouldn't come true, but the threat is very real and considering that just about everything that can be kept secret about it is very much being quietly swept under the carpet and the little info that is leaked speaks of how badly the Trade Relations committee want this to go through.

 

[axia777]

And yes, the EU encompasses the UK.

No it does not. The UK is not in the EU. They are still on the pound my man.

Oh, and it is not just America that is doing this. There are LOTS of European and Asian groups involved in this as it is an international secret treaty to fuck over the people of the world.

 

[Internet Kraken]

I don't understand what any of this means. Can someone explain it for stupid people like me?

 

[SturmDolch]

And yes, the EU encompasses the UK.

No it does not. The UK is not in the EU. They are still on the pound my man.

Oh, and it is not just America that is doing this. There are LOTS of European and Asian groups involved in this as it is an international secret treaty to fuck over the people of the world.

False. Both Denmark and the UK belong to the EU and do not use the Euro.

 

[Daniel Cygnus]

I don't understand what any of this means. Can someone explain it for stupid people like me?

If I'm reading this right, it means that piracy laws are about to get much more strict, and there's a possibility for sites to become censored.

The piracy thing doesn't bother me as much 'cause I don't do it, but the censorship pisses me off. What is this, China?

 

[axia777]

And yes, the EU encompasses the UK.

No it does not. The UK is not in the EU. They are still on the pound my man.

Oh, and it is not just America that is doing this. There are LOTS of European and Asian groups involved in this as it is an international secret treaty to fuck over the people of the world.

False. Both Denmark and the UK belong to the EU and do not use the Euro.

Well I guess I stand corrected.

 

[Megacherv]

And yes, the EU encompasses the UK.

No it does not. The UK is not in the EU. They are still on the pound my man.

Yes we are, we're just not embracing the Euro.

God, I was hoping that all the limited internet use and Virgin Media controversy had stopped.

 

[Fbuh]

Dammit, that means a severe limit on the types of pornography that we are allowed to watch.

Y'know, if all of this goes through, there are going to be new hacker groups popping up that can broadcast pirate internet connections via wireless that can fight through all of the government's blocks and censors. They'll fly around sewers in electromagnetically powered ships, rescuing people form the bullshit that the government feeds directly into our brains. And then, every single one of those people freed from the government will abandon their real names in favor of their internet handles and X-Box Live user names. Won't it be fun?

 

[Rekuiem]

Sadly this doesn't seem that hard to enforce at all, its not like the police aren't out to protect the rich's money piles. You think you're losing freedom but if anything this just goes to show how un-free you are. I mean why shouldn't I be allowed to bring weed from home to smoke on vacation abroad. We will lose the internet eventually... as for know who knows? Although that list you wrote seems a lot more specific than anything i found in your links.

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

I there no one who could do something?!

There may be some...it's a long shot but...it just might work.
http://images.publicradio.org/content/2007/10/30/20071030_angry_man_on_phone_18.jpg
Barbara! Get me...4chan!

 

[firedfns13]

Fuck the government, I'm going to live off a ship at sea and haxor their internets for a living.

 

[AvsJoe]

I there no one who could do something?!

There may be some...it's a long shot but...it just might work.
http://images.publicradio.org/content/2007/10/30/20071030_angry_man_on_phone_18.jpg
Barbara! Get me...4chan!

Internet terrorists or not, 4chan's anonymous may very well be our only hope against this blatant infringement of democracy and whatnot. So I say now, "Please anonymous, you have just as much to lose as we do! Please help us stop this madness."

It just might work? Man, it must work! It's our only shot!

 

[paasi]

This is insane really. Sweden has given the EU their negotiation mandate. This crap tramples all over our human rights that do apply in the net.

Yes, there are plenty of others besides the US, but it was they who came up with the idea, are leading it and they are those who want to force it through in all other countries.
Also it is not a law, but a trade agreement and, as I understand it, that allows it to reach other nations an overstep some legal boundaries, so long as the conditions are agreed upon.

The internet superhero really may be our only chance.
Dark legions of Anon!

 

[Project .hack]

Dammit, that means a severe limit on the types of pornography that we are allowed to watch.

Y'know, if all of this goes through, there are going to be new hacker groups popping up that can broadcast pirate internet connections via wireless that can fight through all of the government's blocks and censors. They'll fly around sewers in electromagnetically powered ships, rescuing people form the bullshit that the government feeds directly into our brains. And then, every single one of those people freed from the government will abandon their real names in favor of their internet handles and X-Box Live user names. Won't it be fun?

I call Zero Cool as a handle

or Cereal Killer...you know...as in fruit loops.

 

[The Maddest March Hare]

Well..fuck. Sucks to be in America then. They better not bring these laws to the UK, censorship is a dirty, dirty word.

I there no one who could do something?!

There may be some...it's a long shot but...it just might work.
http://images.publicradio.org/content/2007/10/30/20071030_angry_man_on_phone_18.jpg
Barbara! Get me...4chan!

Internet terrorists or not, 4chan's anonymous may very well be our only hope against this blatant infringement of democracy and whatnot. So I say now, "Please anonymous, you have just as much to lose as we do! Please help us stop this madness."

It just might work? Man, it must work! It's our only shot!

And after being told they're not your personal army, and possibly having it backfire on you and having them come after your PC instead, what was your next move? Asking modern day 4chan for help is pointless, they're all "newfags", meaning unhelpful, rowdy and generally stupid kids. This requires the expertise of one of the original Anon, they're like the Old Ones of the internet. We need to start tracking them down. Now.

 

[Tears of Blood]

Sorry I can't come to the phone right now. I am currently being ENRAGED!

Dammit, that means a severe limit on the types of pornography that we are allowed to watch.

Y'know, if all of this goes through, there are going to be new hacker groups popping up that can broadcast pirate internet connections via wireless that can fight through all of the government's blocks and censors. They'll fly around sewers in electromagnetically powered ships, rescuing people form the bullshit that the government feeds directly into our brains. And then, every single one of those people freed from the government will abandon their real names in favor of their internet handles and X-Box Live user names. Won't it be fun?

...

Yes! I like that idea.