In Defense of the Harry Potter Film Franchise

aldowyn

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One thing that I pretty much HAVE to mention before I say anything else: Rowling has been involved in the movies since the beginning, and she's a producer now. This last movie was amazingly close, to the point there were maybe half a dozen things that were different, and some of them were obviously changed for good reason. (Not having the trio drink Polyjuice potions when they did in the books so that they actually had the stars on the screen is my best example.) Throughout the series, there were a few things that I missed or didn't like (World Cup...), but overall they have been remarkable faithful - unlike almost any other adaptation. Shucks, look at Lord of the Rings! There are significant differences in between the books and the movies, but the movies are still INCREDIBLE, retain much of the spirit of the original (depending on who you ask), and that is possibly THE best series of the past century.

TL;DR version: It's closer to the books than pretty much any other adaptation is.


... BTW, I read the first 4 books in 5 school days in like 5th grade, and I've watched and read all of them pretty much as soon as I could. They are all pretty darn good, though the books have the edge.
 

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PoisonUnagi said:
The Article said:
J.K. Rowling is a terrific storyteller.
And this is where you lose credibility, because for the first four books her writing was absolutely atrocious. Compare it to some legitimately good books like Speaker for the Dead or the Pendragon series, and you'll see my point. Obviously there are some writers significantly worse than her *coughpatrickcarmancough* but she's not nearly as good as people say she is.

Kuroneko97 said:
It has so many genres: fantasy, supernatural, romance, horror, tragedy, action, adventure, school life, mystery, and a bit of slice of life.
But no thriller... wait, mystery? Since when?
Maybe he's referring to the second book? Possibly the last one where they were trying to figure out the Hallows but whatever.

OT: I really did enjoy the books and the films are doing a good job but there are many better authors out there than J.K. Rowling. Orson Scott Card is fantastic (as Poison points out) and there have been other books about wizards. Rowling is the most popular right now.
 

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I'm quite a big fan of the books, though I must say the last book kinda dropped in quality.

For some reason I can't really enjoy the movies after the third one. Something about them just strikes me as off. I may watch Deathly Hallows eventually though. The Battle of Hogwarts could be one hell of a scene if pulled off right, though if they do it like they did Dumbledore vs Voldy-snakeface... I'll rip someone's head off.
 

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I do not hate Harry Potter. I've read the first three books, and half of the fourth. I have all of the books in my room. I have not seen movies 4-6 because I am waiting until I've read the books first.

Of course in some Fanboy's eyes, ambivalence is the exact same as hatred, so there you go.
 

Astoria

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Haters? I have only met one person in my life who actually hates Harry Potter and she doesn't have a reason for it.

Watching the movies always makes me want to reread the books. I read The Deathly Hallows again before the movie came out and will probably read it again when the second part comes out. I'm not daunted by the 4000+ pages. I've read the books an average of 30 times each. They are just as amazing as the first time I read them.

If you don't wanna know what'll happen don't read the next part.

I really hope they make the battle of Hogwarts right. It could make or break the movie and I also can't wait to see how they do the break out from Gringotts cuz I pictured a lot of mess.
 

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I enjoy the movies having small details change or omitted as long as it doesn't distract from the main story. It gives people a reason to read the books and find out what originally happened. Except the third movie. It strayed so far from the book.
 

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Xisin said:
I have to disagree with you on this. If we remove the outrageous cost that a 7 hour+ movie would be, the pacing of such a movie would be atrocious. Imagine a Lord of the Rings movie where the screen was focused on a tree for 5 minutes, because Tolken spent several pages describing it.
Yes. I would be fine with this. If I wasn't, I wouldn't have suggested it. And screw the children, this is my fantasy, dammit. Also, the theaters would make tons on food because of intermissions.

Its thought through, and could work. The only flaw is the attention span of humans now.
 

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I'm one of few people who is tired of hearing of Harry Potter. Granted, I only read the first four books and everyone says they get better after that, but by then I was rolling my eyes and realizing that the simplistic writing just wasn't for me. I've described myself as a "hater" of the series before, but I think that has more to do with hating the obsession of some fans more than the writing. JK Rowling isn't a horrible writer in my eyes, merely an average one.

I won't bother with this article's defenses; the points seem fair enough to me. I just wonder if the movies really need a "defense" when everyone is blathering on about how excited they are for the midnight showing and how tragic the last book was.

I was highly disappointed when a teacher was going on about how excited she was about the film, saw my friend reading The Gunslinger(happily ignoring her, I might add[footnote]This was before class, before you get the wrong idea[/footnote]) and then had the audacity to go on about how awful a writer Stephen King is.

I'll stick with Seven Pillars of Wisdom in the meantime. It has a nice film to go along with it, too.
 

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I'm a fairly big fan of the books, re-re-read the entire series and to me, JKR's style of writing is just about light enough not to feel like saying "Get to the point please!". They started as children's books, but eventually became just normal books for any audience. Compare the last book with the first one and you'll see what I mean. This works very well because the heroes grow up with each book/school-year and the menace and danger grows with it.

What I always found to be the decisive hook in the books was that nothing is ever clear until the very end. Throughout the plot you'd have hints and little mysteries, each making the reader pose questions and boosting the desire to have them answered - thus leading to the reader not being able to put down the book until the very end. What also is great are the characters of course and the over all world the story takes place in. It's incredibly detailed and cohesive, following it's own logic and social rules. JRK is therefore to me a quite comparable writer to Tolkien.

I don't particularly like the movies, because IMO they approach the subject matter from a stupid angle. I've watched all of the movies up until (excluding) the newest one. There is a heavy focus on making the wizard world come to life with CGI and etc, which is fine by me. It actually is one of the strong points of the movies IMO, partially because I imagine the wizard world in a similar way. What the movies totally and absolutely FAIL to capture is that decisive hook each book has - the big mysteries each book has (who took the sorcerer's stone from Gringotts? Who put Harry's name into the Goblet?) that kept me reading. In the movies, because of that short format, entire subplots (which were essential to the total surprise one gets at the end of a HP book) needed to be cut, therefore flattening the experience to a sequence of fascinating special effects with some drama/action/comedy.

In short, the movies lack the breadth and depth of the books. If the books are a 3 dimensional experience, the movies are only a 2 dimensional one.

I don't think this was inevitable though. I love the LotR series of books, and also love the movies. Why? Because Peter Jackson actually tried to do the books justice. This is of course partially because the LotR books are a cultural phenomenon and had been around for decades at the point Jackson was going to make movies out of them. There was a lot of expectation to live up to for him. Another reason was that Jackson was a big (no pun intended) fan himself, and an insightful one who knew what he was doing. He knew enough about the essence of the books to be able to determine what aspects from them were absolutely important to capture a LotR experience, and had enough cinematographic insight and skill to find a way to realize that experience on screen. A result of that is that each book was made into a 3hour long movie (and more if you count out the cut scenes), where every scene is effectively driving things forward. They have the right pacing, the right acting, the right scenery. EVERYTHING. He knew what was okay to cut out of the movie plot.

The HP movies on the other hand were handed around from director to director, each not being able to build much on what the previous director had done, and therefore taking a lot of liberty with the movie. Another thing is that the HP books were widely regarded as simplistic children's novels and that those kids wouldn't mind if large portions of the stories would be cut out, just as long as the spectacle on screen was of high production value. Kids, the target audience would also not be able to sit through anything longer than 2 hours and so we have the dilemma. They were too sure that a series of HP movies, what with the mainstream hype already there because of the books would automatically generate tons of cash. They were right. Making an ACTUAL movie adaptation for the books, capturing JKR's magic on screen? Not needed to make more money.

Which is why I'm fairly disappointed. I only like the movies in that they feature some good actors and yes, the spectacle is indeed enjoyable enough to warrant going to the cinema for me. I wish that at some point in the future a director like Peter Jackson with a real respect for the books who knows his/her art comes along to give it a good shot.
 

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I dont hate Harry Potter.
Never read one of the books, never seen one of the movies..

Im not a hater, more like a I-Dont-Give-A-Fuck'er...

But i do tend to hate the insane fanboys, but only as much as any other obsessed fanboy that lives and breathes their fictional fantasy world...
 

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GWarface said:
I dont hate Harry Potter.
Never read one of the books, never seen one of the movies..

Im not a hater, more like a I-Dont-Give-A-Fuck'er...

But i do tend to hate the insane fanboys, but only as much as any other obsessed fanboy that lives and breathes their fictional fantasy world...
I'm the same way, except i have actually given both the books and the films a chance and i wasn't impressed. I won't begrudge anyones enjoyment of the series though, i just wish people would stop telling me i'm missing out.
 

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Good article. The hating on the movies stems from either a fan's distress at the downgrade in story quality or a general annoyance at the whole franchise's popularity and hype. As a fan, I can identify with the desire to preserve the story in pure, unruined literary form, but you have to admit--the content was just too epic, the wizarding world just too imaginative and intriguing, that one couldn't NOT make a film out of it. It was bound to happen, and I'm glad the films turned out the way they did--fairly well, when they could've been much worse...
 

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Well, I liked the books up until the 5th one. The rest... not so much, but that's just me. I have seen the first 5 movies, and thought the fifth one sucked. So that's why I don't like Harry Potter all that much.
 

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I really wish I could have liked the movies as much as I did the book. In fact, I think it's because I enjoyed reading the books so much that I don't like the movies. . I think that the real appeal of reading is using your imagination to illustrate the world created by JKR, to actually make it come to life. And I think this is one of the books greatest strengths: The world is so beautifully crafted, familiar and yet new, exciting, unusual but somehow easily accessible and understandable, expanding the boring old real world into something more without losing it's foothold in what's relatable. Dropping a character in the fantasy world from the real world helps the readers adapt to the new setting and to relate to that character even more. Every aspect of the book is crafted to draw you in, to catch your attention but not to overload you, to make you want to find out more about the world itself, about the characters, about the story. The book gives you the setting, the story, the characters, all the elements that you would expect to find, but lets you create enough of the atmosphere and details for yourself that you can't help but feel connected. But in the movie all this is gone. It's someone else's vision, it's someone else's Hogwarts, it's someone else's centaur, etc. Overall it's someone else's experience, and while it might be good, it might be true to the story... it just can't be as involving or appealing as something you create yourself.

dolgion made some very good points a few posts ago, and I really agree with his opinion of LoTR being the better movie adaptation, but I think this is mostly because LoTR (a book which I also enjoyed) has a very different pacing, it's slower, it's more prone to exposition, the story takes much longer to unfold and it feels much less dynamic, so there were plenty of things you could cut out without losing any really relevant bits.
 

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The third movie convinced me to read the books, the fourth convinced me to ignore the movies.
 

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I grew up on Harry Potter. In fact with the exception of Roald Dahl, I owe my entire love for literature on Harry Potter. Perhaps I sound hysterical, but I don't trust anyone who doesn't like Harry Potter, yes this also extends to Pixar Movies as well.
 

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AC10 said:
Wait, who hates Harry Potter? I'm not a fanboy but the movies were enjoyable. In fact most people I know IRL like them as well.
yea right, the last movie has had me thinking about it for like a year because of the ending now i hafta see the new one
 

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I liked all the movies and all the book. In fact in places I'd say in places they were ever better than the original material (I.E Prisoner of Azkaban)