In Regards to Wild West

[Fiz_The_Toaster]

(And before someone suggests "well too bad, people can just ignore the bullying and not visit the WW", please bear in mind that it becomes a bit difficult to ignore a call-out thread made about you when you literally see your username emblazoned on the Escapist's home page as soon as you log in, in light of WW threads appearing in the forum widget that no-one has the ability to modify.)

One could always hide it

 

[PointlessKnowledge]

All in all, the WW was creating an unpleasant atmosphere that was tainting the rest of the forum, - an atmosphere that many users were uncomfortable with, and that the mod team was getting increasingly uneasy with.

So R&P is getting shut down too? You can't tell me that the WW atmosphere was uncomfortable but the passive-aggressive atmosphere that place fosters so strongly isn't a problem at all.

Maybe we should have a poll that will be ignored by the mods and the CM.

As I've always found R&P more unpleasant then WW, yet the mods don't seem to care about how terrible it is.

They don't have to, the rules apply in R&P. Go there right now and create a call-out-thread calling someone a cuck or fag, see what happens.

I was referring more to the general terrible attitude of people from R&P. Most of the call-out threads start from user interactions there.

To put it as a pleasant metaphor: R&P is Ipecac and WW is a toilet. Removing the toilet doesn't get rid of the oncoming vomit, and now there is no place for it to go.

 

[Elvis Starburst]

I was referring more to the general terrible attitude of people from R&P. Most of the call-out threads start from user interactions there.

To put it as a pleasant metaphor: R&P is Ipecac and WW is a toilet. Removing the toilet doesn't get rid of the oncoming vomit, and now there is no place for it to go.

Was politics ever actually a good idea to host on a gaming forum? Maybe back in the day, but in this kind of current internet and political climate, it sure doesn't sound like fun now

 

[Johnlives]

Just because it's a space with no rules doesn't mean people can go in there and attack each other.

Yes it does. Unless the meaning of no rules has changed?

It was originally intended for people to post random things that would otherwise get them modded for making topic-less threads. Those threads have gone down and the more vitriolic ones have gone up.

Have they? Looking at the current front page in there we have the one against Zontar and one against Yoshi. The ones against Canadamus, [you] and everyone are in a joke vein. The rest aren't focussed on a specific user. The Zontar one may be quite long comparitively but he's popular enough that people just can't stop talking about him.

Sure, I've never liked WW, but my opinion doesn't matter nor did it influence anything since everyone in the mod team knew where I stood. But if people wanted a place to do whatever, then fine. Except, over time, it wasn't and we as a team decided to close it off for posting.

You can always take it up with the CM if you would like to voice your displeasure.

I'm quite happy discussing this in public. Besides, if there are no higher ups, what exactly does that position mean? We're all just users, you just happen to be more equal than the rest of us.

Seeing as you are users, why not show the rest of us the discussion that lead to its shut down without consulting the rest of us? Or how about discussing with the rest of us how we could remedy the situations that lead to you all wanting it shutdown. For instance how about adding a single rule "no threads for the sole purpose of attacking other users". Sure people would find ways to skirt sround it. But if you haven't noticed people find ways to skirt around rules in the rest of the forum. You can't be oblivious to the constant complaints of passive aggressiveness antagonism that constantly comes up.

 

[SupahEwok]

The ones against... [you] and everyone are in a joke vein.

It actually kinda wasn't. The place used to be fun, but even the fun threads would get derailed by the same people with the same stupid shit who would fling that stupid shit at the same other people. I thought it called for a good general "fuck you, assholes".

But Bobby's a good boy, so I couldn't very well group him with the rest.

If that post had a flaw, it's that I should have added that Drath was "an okay boi".

 

[SupahEwok]

Maybe we should have a poll that will be ignored by the mods and the CM.

Buddy, have I got news for you. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/706.1025983-Poll-Poll-Should-R-P-Continue-to-Exist?]

 

[Johnlives]

The ones against... [you] and everyone are in a joke vein.

It actually kinda wasn't. The place used to be fun, but even the fun threads would get derailed by the same people with the same stupid shit who would fling that stupid shit at the same other people. I thought it called for a good general "fuck you, assholes".

But Bobby's a good boy, so I couldn't very well group him with the rest.

If that post had a flaw, it's that I should have added that Drath was "an okay boi".

But it's not picking on a particular user at least. Plus that's how we used to police ourselves, when someone did a callout thread a whole bunch would pop up in a similar style to mock it.

And yes, Drath deserves a belly rub.

 

[bluegate]

(And before someone suggests "well too bad, people can just ignore the bullying and not visit the WW", please bear in mind that it becomes a bit difficult to ignore a call-out thread made about you when you literally see your username emblazoned on the Escapist's home page as soon as you log in, in light of WW threads appearing in the forum widget that no-one has the ability to modify.)

One could always hide it

I expected better from you 😱

Through their admin panel they have the ability to remove the Popular Forum Posts widget from the front page, it was removed from the site for a long time shortly after the Wild West came to be, actually.

How about this? Not a very elegant solution, I'll grant you that, but it would hide the specific Wild West posts from the Popular Forum Posts widget.

#forum_posts_panel span.forum_replies[onlick*=".com/forums/jump/706."],
#forum_posts_panel span.forum_replies[onlick*=".com/forums/jump/706."] + a,
#forum_posts_panel span.forum_replies[onlick*=".com/forums/jump/706."] + a + a
{
	display: none !important;
}

Damn CSS for not having a Parent selector... Guess it goes against the Cascading nature of it, but still, damn you!👺

 

[StatusNil]

WW was also a cave of Oracles. From the Annals of The West, hear these words of Prophecy:

Too bad that what's gonna happen is that strike will be discreetly removed once the suspension has run out, and then we'll be back to exactly the same situation. Except everyone who got baited into getting a warning will still retain theirs. That's the way it goes, and it's not a very effective lesson regarding this kind of acting out. Unless the point is to encourage more of it.

Looks like some handsome stranger called it, no?

 

[Avnger]

Hey is my avatar showing up for anyone else

Non-sequitor but yes, your blue lady is showing.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

Hey is my avatar showing up for anyone else

Non-sequitor but yes, your blue lady is showing.

Okay cool. I guess I have to delete my cookies or whatever cause my desktop only shows a broken image link

Yeah I find I have to do that too whenever I update my avatar. Oddly enough the mobile site on my phone updates the avatar in real time, but for whatever reason the desktop version needs that refresh

 

[vallorn]

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2 warning notices for 1 post? And nothing shows up on here or my health bar? Something seems a little bit borked.

 

[StatusNil]

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2 warning notices for 1 post? And nothing shows up on here or my health bar? Something seems a little bit borked.

You've developed immunity! Must be the prolonged exposure to WW-

 

[PointlessKnowledge]

I was referring more to the general terrible attitude of people from R&P. Most of the call-out threads start from user interactions there.

To put it as a pleasant metaphor: R&P is Ipecac and WW is a toilet. Removing the toilet doesn't get rid of the oncoming vomit, and now there is no place for it to go.

Was politics ever actually a good idea to host on a gaming forum? Maybe back in the day, but in this kind of current internet and political climate, it sure doesn't sound like fun now

No, it wasn't. It probably has just as much right to be here as the shitposting forum, yet the current mods only seem to dislike one of them (no reward for guessing which one).

 

[Johnlives]

You're also going to upset the badge hunter group as they will not be able to get the Deviant badge.

 

[Dr. Thrax]

Now, you may well applaud the volunteer spirit. But it doesn't change de facto control into anything more. That's not even a judgment, merely an observation of what I understand to be the facts.

Quite honestly, anything less than a declaration from *Insert Extraplanar Entity of reader's belief here* themselves would still constitute "de facto control" in the eyes of people who already hate this place and its moderation team but still hang around for some bloody reason.

Look, I get the whole "I've been here for years! Spent so much time here!" mindset, but as I've said earlier things change and sometimes in ways you don't like. If you don't like the change, then you can leave. It's as simple as that. It's kinda like when your favorite restaurant changes something and the food's just not that good anymore. Nothing's going to bring the Wild West back in its old form short of someone hijacking the site. Maybe you might get a Wild West Lite, but now we're just like any other forum, boring and rule-abiding across all boards. You're more than welcome to make your own Wild West elsewhere, with blackjack and hookers if you want. Hell, with how easy it is to make Discord servers - while it's not as organized as a forum - you could do that.

-Snorp-

And people were concerned when Wynns Pub Club was revoked. They didn't like that PC could just be revoked like that, even if it was the PC access we were all given when the tech team left and that the mods said they'd never revoke a paid subscription. Some people who didn't even like Wynn were concerned that they just yanked his PC access out from under him.

 

[Fiz_The_Toaster]

(And before someone suggests "well too bad, people can just ignore the bullying and not visit the WW", please bear in mind that it becomes a bit difficult to ignore a call-out thread made about you when you literally see your username emblazoned on the Escapist's home page as soon as you log in, in light of WW threads appearing in the forum widget that no-one has the ability to modify.)

One could always hide it

I expected better from you 😱

Through their admin panel they have the ability to remove the Popular Forum Posts widget from the front page, it was removed from the site for a long time shortly after the Wild West came to be, actually.

How about this? Not a very elegant solution, I'll grant you that, but it would hide the specific Wild West posts from the Popular Forum Posts widget.

#forum_posts_panel span.forum_replies[onlick*=".com/forums/jump/706."],
#forum_posts_panel span.forum_replies[onlick*=".com/forums/jump/706."] + a,
#forum_posts_panel span.forum_replies[onlick*=".com/forums/jump/706."] + a + a
{
	display: none !important;
}

Damn CSS for not having a Parent selector... Guess it goes against the Cascading nature of it, but still, damn you!👺

That targets the issue better 🙇
Be sure to incorporate it in your addon if the WW ever returns 🌠

 

[vallorn]

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2 warning notices for 1 post? And nothing shows up on here or my health bar? Something seems a little bit borked.

You've developed immunity! Must be the prolonged exposure to WW-

I only have one response to this:

 

[Saelune]

You're also going to upset the badge hunter group as they will not be able to get the Deviant badge.

That badge became unobtainable when Frappe bailed. Apparently it was a badge that was manually awarded by Frappe and not something you can 'trigger' by specific actions on the site, unlike say, watching Zero Punctuation videos.

 

[Johnlives]

You're also going to upset the badge hunter group as they will not be able to get the Deviant badge.

That badge became unobtainable when Frappe bailed. Apparently it was a badge that was manually awarded by Frappe and not something you can 'trigger' by specific actions on the site, unlike say, watching Zero Punctuation videos.

My mistake, I thought in the thread at the time the badge arrived it was mentioned that they would happen by user action as other badges. I guess you'd know better as one of the anointed.