I see it as a natural extension of the self-deprecating humour lonely, unhappy, and possible depressed people come up with. It doesn't stem from positivity at all. Throwing it around because one really doesn't give a shit is a symptom. Like, I wouldn't even think of it as a curse or expletive but a statement that whatever *you* think is the lowest low, they are already there, wishing for death like it's nothing.CM156 said:
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We considered it. (Contrary to popular belief, this wasn't a rushed decision or a spur-of-the-moment thing. We discussed and mulled over the options for quite some time before coming to a decision.)Ugicywapih said:
Additional rules had already previously been added to the WW's CoC in light of certain individuals pushing the boundaries. And we just felt that this was a pattern that was destined to continue, - another boundary pushed here, another line crossed there, and yet another rule added to an ever-increasing list.
Not only would this have become more and more confusing for users, ("A rules-free subforum with actual rules? Dafuq?"), but it would also make it more complicate to moderate, especially considering the WW's initial premise of the moderators 'not monitoring' it. (And before someone suggests "well too bad, people can just ignore the bullying and not visit the WW", please bear in mind that it becomes a bit difficult to ignore a call-out thread made about you when you literally see your username emblazoned on the Escapist's home page as soon as you log in, in light of WW threads appearing in the forum widget that no-one has the ability to modify.)
There's also the issue of where to draw the line. How do we phrase an anti-bullying rule specifically for the WW, and more importantly, how do we enforce it? Do we forbid just the call-out threads? If so, what if someone gets called out and dogpiled in a rather nasty way in another otherwise innocuous thread? WW rules would mean we couldn't clamp down on the thread or do anything about it, which would make any watered-down WW-specific rules functionally useless.
Additionally, how do we define bullying? If we go all-in and forbid all personal attacks, then we just have the normal forum CoC, which would mean the WW doesn't really need to exist at all.
In a perfect world, "what happens in the WW stays in the WW" is something that would have been nice. But we don't live in a perfect world, and human nature doesn't work that way.bluegate said:
People hold resentment, and grudges, and bitterness. And while the WW gave people a place to vent these feelings towards one another, it also created a breeding ground for nastiness that frequently spilled out into threads elsewhere on the forum. Certain people were starting to make obscure jabs at one another in other subforums, referencing some toxic interaction that they'd previously had with each other in the WW.
It worked the other way around too. Someone would get pissed off with someone else on the forum (in a non-WW thread), and so they would invite (or simply harass) the other person to join them in a WW thread for fisticuffs in a sort of a "Meet me behind the bike shed after school" moment.
All in all, the WW was creating an unpleasant atmosphere that was tainting the rest of the forum, - an atmosphere that many users were uncomfortable with, and that the mod team was getting increasingly uneasy with. It just simply didn't gel well with the standards of the rest of the forum, and whatever purpose or 'rules-free fun' that was originally envisioned for the place either never came to fruition, or came and went again leaving nothing but a toxic mess in its wake.
Not a whole lot. The prophecy came true and the unbelievers are still ranting and ravingSaelune said:
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Maybe we should have a poll that will be ignored by the mods and the CM.Leg End said:
As I've always found R&P more unpleasant then WW, yet the mods don't seem to care about how terrible it is.
So now that its gone we can expect to see you around a lot more, driving interesting threads and making OT a fun place to be, right? ... Right?n0e said:
Realtalk this is my primary complaint about the whole deal. I barely care about the removal of the ww beyond the fact that responses to anime threads will now be less interesting.
The thing that does kind of get me is that we've got this clump of users, the current CM and many former contributers among them, that really wanted WW gone because it was bad for the site. Its gone now, so are those people gonna get here and start doing stuff to make the forums thrive now that the bad place is gone? Of course not.
I dunno why people with no skin in the game have such powerful opinions on a private subforum of a site they don't use anymore. But this is it, the dragon is dead, killed by our dear blue warriors. Its safe to come out! So is anybody gonna do anything ooorrrr....
They don't have to, the rules apply in R&P. Go there right now and create a call-out-thread calling someone a cuck or fag, see what happens.PointlessKnowledge said:
Lunatic says alot of things. Right-wingers say alot of things. Zontar said Trump is pro-LGBT and could prove it. He hasnt. I forget their name, but another user also made accusations against me that were unfounded.Marik2 said:
Lunatic said they found porn that was 'tagged' as Saelune. And when asked to elaborate, they did not. They were knowingly mud-slinging.
Maybe it was some drawn furry-porn of a bunny? Maybe it was some other person who goes as Saelune where I do not have an account.
Edit: Or maybe they were flat out making shit up.
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I was referring more to the general terrible attitude of people from R&P. Most of the call-out threads start from user interactions there.Silentpony said:
To put it as a pleasant metaphor: R&P is Ipecac and WW is a toilet. Removing the toilet doesn't get rid of the oncoming vomit, and now there is no place for it to go.
Was politics ever actually a good idea to host on a gaming forum? Maybe back in the day, but in this kind of current internet and political climate, it sure doesn't sound like fun nowPointlessKnowledge said:
Yes it does. Unless the meaning of no rules has changed?Fiz_The_Toaster said:
Have they? Looking at the current front page in there we have the one against Zontar and one against Yoshi. The ones against Canadamus, [you] and everyone are in a joke vein. The rest aren't focussed on a specific user. The Zontar one may be quite long comparitively but he's popular enough that people just can't stop talking about him.
I'm quite happy discussing this in public. Besides, if there are no higher ups, what exactly does that position mean? We're all just users, you just happen to be more equal than the rest of us.
Seeing as you are users, why not show the rest of us the discussion that lead to its shut down without consulting the rest of us? Or how about discussing with the rest of us how we could remedy the situations that lead to you all wanting it shutdown. For instance how about adding a single rule "no threads for the sole purpose of attacking other users". Sure people would find ways to skirt sround it. But if you haven't noticed people find ways to skirt around rules in the rest of the forum. You can't be oblivious to the constant complaints of passive aggressiveness antagonism that constantly comes up.
It actually kinda wasn't. The place used to be fun, but even the fun threads would get derailed by the same people with the same stupid shit who would fling that stupid shit at the same other people. I thought it called for a good general "fuck you, assholes".Johnlives said:
But Bobby's a good boy, so I couldn't very well group him with the rest.
If that post had a flaw, it's that I should have added that Drath was "an okay boi".
I expected better from you 😱Gauche said:
Through their admin panel they have the ability to remove the Popular Forum Posts widget from the front page, it was removed from the site for a long time shortly after the Wild West came to be, actually.
How about this? Not a very elegant solution, I'll grant you that, but it would hide the specific Wild West posts from the Popular Forum Posts widget.
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