In the NIU shooting, guess what's first to blame?

[portuga-man]

what makes me angry about this is that you can never get a DECENT gamer's point of view to get as much media attention as this load of crap. We never face those who disapprove us and even if we did we would never be noticed.

Journalism has been dead for a long time, anyway. Journalists won't give you an objective point of view. They give you a sensationalist, almost baroque point of view. Why? Because that's what sells the most.

 

[propertyofcobra]

And, as an aside, I'm getting tired of people outside the US telling us to outlaw guns. Remember that. When your country gets invaded by a foreign power, we'll have this discussion again.

You are, of course, aware that outlawing guns means that the MILITARY CAN STILL USE THEM, just not joe everydaydude?
Ergo, if all the guns are locked up in military installations, Joe Everydaydude's son, Mark Everydaydude, is gonna have to use a nailgun to attempt mass murder instead of a handgun. Because Mark everydaydude can't get to guns.
But if the lobsterbacks suddenly attack, the military can do it's job and defend you instead of bomb countries far, far away. Good lord, you idiot, do you understand what a military is for? PROTECTING YOUR FREAKING COUNTRY.
Do you know what guns are for? KILLING PEOPLE. Do you know what civilians will use guns for when given a chance? KILLING PEOPLE.
Less guns in civilian hands equal less civilians killing people. Is that REALLY such a hard freaking formula that you need to resort to the "we saved your ass in WW2!!!" bullshit argument?

In short, if you get occupied by a foreign country, it's not your personal fucking responsibility to get rid of them, it's your army's responsibility. And the US army already has more soldiers than most countries have population, it really, really doesn't need your goddamned help. And if it does, it'll ask you to sign up, not to have a shotgun at home just in case your son feels like getting his kill on because you raised him to believe guns are the answer to everything and that the 2nd amendment is more important than life itself.

 

[SaintSinner]

You need to look at some statistics.

The states that adopt gun control have an increase in violent crime. The states that adopt a carry-law have a reduction in violent crime.

Vermont. No gun control regulation at all. Also one of the lowest violent crime states (like, 3 or 4 from the bottom low) in the country.

There was a town in Pennsylvania that adopted a law mandating that everyone own a firearm in their house. ZERO violent crime in that town ever since.

Look at the figures for the UK, after they implemented their strict gun control laws.

Look at Switzerland. Almost as many guns per person as the US, and one of the lowest violent crime countries in the world.

Blaming guns for violent crime is like blaming a pencil for your spelling errors.

-SS

 

[propertyofcobra]

Fear is not a good thing. That town in pennsylvania? Well of course nobody does violent crime if EVERY CRAZY ************ HAS A GUN, EVERYONE LIVES IN CONSTANT FEAR OF DYING FROM BEING SHOT!

Fear can lower violent crime.

Look at dictatorships, violent crime rates go down in those once they are established compared to democracies. Ergo dictatorship is good.

And of course, let's remember: Most states that add the death penalty see high INCREASES in murder rates, but in China, the more killing the government does, the less people do because death squads will be looking for THEM next.

Ergo, we need to turn the US into a dictatorship full of death squads that kill you for the smallest slight. No violent crimes amongst civilians? You bet!

Doesn't mean it's a good freaking idea.

 

[SaintSinner]

propertyofcobra,

lets see some statistics to back up your claims, or MAYBE YOU CAN JUST TYPE IT IN ALL CAPS TO MAKE IT SEEM MORE PUNCHY.

And if the CRIMINALS fear about getting shot, and it keeps them from acting up, GOOD.

They SHOULD be afraid.

Only a moronic TOOL puts his personal safety in the hands of someone else.

Oh, and kindly cease speaking for the United States Army. We didn't pick you as our spokesperson, and we'd love to have "civilians with guns" standing next to us repelling a foreign invader, if that time came.

Part of the 2nd Amendment is also to allow the civilians to overthrow a corrupt government. The Army wouldn't help with that.

-SS

 

[Raan_Amano]

And, as an aside, I'm getting tired of people outside the US telling us to outlaw guns. Remember that. When your country gets invaded by a foreign power, we'll have this discussion again.

You are, of course, aware that outlawing guns means that the MILITARY CAN STILL USE THEM, just not joe everydaydude?
Ergo, if all the guns are locked up in military installations, Joe Everydaydude's son, Mark Everydaydude, is gonna have to use a nailgun to attempt mass murder instead of a handgun. Because Mark everydaydude can't get to guns.
But if the lobsterbacks suddenly attack, the military can do it's job and defend you instead of bomb countries far, far away. Good lord, you idiot, do you understand what a military is for? PROTECTING YOUR FREAKING COUNTRY.
Do you know what guns are for? KILLING PEOPLE. Do you know what civilians will use guns for when given a chance? KILLING PEOPLE.
Less guns in civilian hands equal less civilians killing people. Is that REALLY such a hard freaking formula that you need to resort to the "we saved your ass in WW2!!!" bullshit argument?

First of all, don't call me a f***ing idiot. And don't bring that WW2 sh*t up. And if you're accusing me of using the "we saved your ass in WW2" argument (that argument makes no sense anyway, even from my point of view), that's entirely not the case. That's not what I'm talking about. What I'm getting at is the fact that people from OUTSIDE the US (your country included) constantly feel the need to tell us that we need to get rid of our guns to lower murder rates. Fine, I'll concede that banning guns might help lower murder rates. Here in America you've got the right to use lethal force to protect yourself, your family, and your property. So, what you're saying is that A**hole #1 gets to come into my home with a gun (recieved from the black market), threaten or kill me or my family, and I'm not supposed to defend them? Relying on the police and the military is BS. You could be dead before they get there to help you. And, about the lobsterbacks invading, are you really telling me that you would sit on your uppity (I'm assuming British) ass, and let the military handle everything instead of having balls enough to get up and fight for yourself?

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Guns don't kill people.

ALL CAPS kill people, with guns.

 

[sammyfreak]

You need to look at some statistics.

The states that adopt gun control have an increase in violent crime. The states that adopt a carry-law have a reduction in violent crime.

Vermont. No gun control regulation at all. Also one of the lowest violent crime states (like, 3 or 4 from the bottom low) in the country.

There was a town in Pennsylvania that adopted a law mandating that everyone own a firearm in their house. ZERO violent crime in that town ever since.

Look at the figures for the UK, after they implemented their strict gun control laws.

Look at Switzerland. Almost as many guns per person as the US, and one of the lowest violent crime countries in the world.

Blaming guns for violent crime is like blaming a pencil for your spelling errors.

-SS

You do realise that Vermont isent very densley populated, wich generaly reduces the amount of crime independant if guns are allowed or not? Statistics are rather easy to twist.

 

[Raan_Amano]

propertyofcobra,

lets see some statistics to back up your claims, or MAYBE YOU CAN JUST TYPE IT IN ALL CAPS TO MAKE IT SEEM MORE PUNCHY.

And if the CRIMINALS fear about getting shot, and it keeps them from acting up, GOOD.

They SHOULD be afraid.

Only a moronic TOOL puts his personal safety in the hands of someone else.

Oh, and kindly cease speaking for the United States Army. We didn't pick you as our spokesperson, and we'd love to have "civilians with guns" standing next to us repelling a foreign invader, if that time came.

Part of the 2nd Amendment is also to allow the civilians to overthrow a corrupt government. The Army wouldn't help with that.

-SS

I assume from this that you're US Army?

 

[propertyofcobra]

So, fear is good. Great. You commit a crime as far as I find out, SaintSinner, I'll brain you with an axe. Better not do any crime, man.
This would, if I had the ability to actually enforce it, most likely make you less likely to committ a crime. Is this a good thing?

It worked in 1964, didn't it? You do anything wrong and you're never seen again. Voila, people didn't do crime.
Would you like a totalitarian government based on fear?
Apparently, you would. I choose a government where people frankly don't have a choice to shoot me in the head, but that's me, personally. Less people able to shoot me in the skull is a good thing for me.
You prefer more people with full capacity and equipment for violent murder, I prefer less. It's a matter of preference, yeah?

 

[Raan_Amano]

So, fear is good. Great. You commit a crime as far as I find out, SaintSinner, I'll brain you with an axe. Better not do any crime, man.
This would, if I had the ability to actually enforce it, most likely make you less likely to committ a crime. Is this a good thing?

It worked in 1964, didn't it? You do anything wrong and you're never seen again. Voila, people didn't do crime.
Would you like a totalitarian government based on fear?
Apparently, you would. I choose a government where people frankly don't have a choice to shoot me in the head, but that's me, personally. Less people able to shoot me in the skull is a good thing for me.
You prefer more people with full capacity and equipment for violent murder, I prefer less. It's a matter of preference, yeah?

So, your country doesn't have a black market?

 

[SaintSinner]

Hooah.

SFC, ret. 12 yr vet.

 

[SaintSinner]

So, fear is good. Great. You commit a crime as far as I find out, SaintSinner, I'll brain you with an axe. Better not do any crime, man.

I break speed laws every day. Come get me, b!tch.

This would, if I had the ability to actually enforce it, most likely make you less likely to committ a crime. Is this a good thing?

Yes, criminals fearing violence against them from their inteded victims is a good thing. If you don't think it is, you're a retard.

Apparently, you would. I choose a government where people frankly don't have a choice to shoot me in the head, but that's me, personally. Less people able to shoot me in the skull is a good thing for me.

Yeah, because no one is a victim of a gun related violent crime in Canada, the UK, or Australia...

-SS

 

[propertyofcobra]

A bunch of stuff about how guns are good and you should use them to protect yourself constantly, and how the police and military are useless

...So what DO you use the police and military for, if not protect yourself?
Furthermore, put yourself in the shoes of Asshole#1 with a gun from the black market, you extremely desperately need money because otherwise Jimmy the Hatter is gonna whack you.
You are about to enter house A to get an item or two, but you remember that the inhabitants of house A are likely to be armed.
If you still have to enter house A. How likely are you to shoot first and ask questions later, compared to if you know that they're gonna be unarmed?

Any given crime, thus, is MORE likely to result in murder when everyone has guns, if nothing else because professional criminals have to be more agressive and violent to survive because Joe Shootsalot is gonna have a shotgun in his home.

And I'm not brittish, but the entire "We're all keeping a shotgun in case the damn lobsterbacks come, or in case every muslim on earth gets wings and flies over to attack us" argument annoys the crap out of me.
With the world's biggest and most well-funded goddamned army, as well as geographical seclusion from most of the world, why the HELL do the US people believe that every single country that doesn't tell it's citizens to go get guns is instantly assaulted ala Murphy's Law by the ghost of Nazi Germany (I assume, cause what other freaking country, aside the US itself that is, goes around and invades just for the sheer fun of it?).

Face it. If you want to have a gun, it's not in case of military attacks. It's because you want to kill burglars.

 

[sammyfreak]

So, fear is good. Great. You commit a crime as far as I find out, SaintSinner, I'll brain you with an axe. Better not do any crime, man.
This would, if I had the ability to actually enforce it, most likely make you less likely to committ a crime. Is this a good thing?

It worked in 1964, didn't it? You do anything wrong and you're never seen again. Voila, people didn't do crime.
Would you like a totalitarian government based on fear?
Apparently, you would. I choose a government where people frankly don't have a choice to shoot me in the head, but that's me, personally. Less people able to shoot me in the skull is a good thing for me.
You prefer more people with full capacity and equipment for violent murder, I prefer less. It's a matter of preference, yeah?

So, your country doesn't have a black market?

Black Market acces is nowhere as large as commercial and please, lets avoid flaming eachother.

 

[propertyofcobra]

Hooah.

SFC, ret. 12 yr vet.

Aah, here we go. Deconstructed and then raised and bred on violence, taught that killing is the only true answer, add a bit of light propaganda on the side and fierce blind nationalism. No wonder you think like you do. Now I get it. Nevermind the entire situation here.
I'm against killing, you're all for it. No wonder we disagree.

Fine, we'll let everyone have guns. When a random mugger gets to his gun before you get to yours, don't come running to me.


(Note: No, all military people are not automatically violence-loving meatheads. But there sure are a few of them, mainly the ones that think "if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns" is genuinely true and funny.)

 

[Copter400]

It's amazing that if an objective person were to compare the number of school massacres in the US to the number in, just as an example, Australia, they'd find that there are none here. And it's not because we play videogames if you know what I mean. It's because the last time there was a gun massacre our PM and the general public were sensible enough to PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER AND REALISE GUNS MAKE MASSACRES EASY, NOT VIDJAGAEMS. And then banned them.

Precisely. If your country has arranged things so that a teenager can get his hands on a loaded firearm with ease, than your country has screwed up something awful.

I propose shipping all the intelligent people in America to smarter Western societies before the place sinks like Atlantis under the brunt of its own stupidity.

 

[SaintSinner]

I just love how propertyofcobra makes crap up as he goes.

I suggest looking at the figures gathered by the Department of Justice.

60% of convicted felons admitted they avoided commiting the crimes when they KNEW the victim was armed. 40% admitted they avoided commiting the crimes when they THOUGHT the victim was armed.

according to the National Crime Victimization Survey, Bureau of Justice Statistics, page 39
http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/4.0/GunFacts4-0-Screen.pdf

So, yes. FEAR is a good thing, when it comes to criminals.

-SS

 

[propertyofcobra]

It's amazing that if an objective person were to compare the number of school massacres in the US to the number in, just as an example, Australia, they'd find that there are none here. And it's not because we play videogames if you know what I mean. It's because the last time there was a gun massacre our PM and the general public were sensible enough to PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER AND REALISE GUNS MAKE MASSACRES EASY, NOT VIDJAGAEMS. And then banned them.

Precisely. If your country has arranged things so that a teenager can get his hands on a loaded firearm with ease, than your country has screwed up something awful.

I propose shipping all the intelligent people in America to smarter Western societies before the place sinks like Atlantis under the brunt of its own stupidity.

Thank you, I was starting to feel like the insane gun nuts outnumbered the people who understand that guns equals more violence, not less.

 

[yuvi]

The people who make such mass murder as a result of playing video games are either stupid or crazy enough to make them without playing video games.
Anyway,blaming video games will make more parents forbid their children from playing video games,and then the children will probably hate their parents and angry teens is what started this mess.