Incest?
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I think it's something like the "Westermarck effect".Kopikatsu said:
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Balls, beaten to the punch.Quaxar said:
OT. Well, 2 consenting adults and all that. Personally, no way. While I may be able to make the judgement that my sister is attractive I am not attracted to her. Same with cousins and 2nd cousins. Not that I didn't play "doctors and nurses" or the equivalent with a couple when I was young, but when you're in single digits I don't think it really counts.
This is kind of blown out of proportion because incest doesn't cause genetic disabilities in children. But if one of the parents is a carrier for a genetic condition then it's likely the other would be as well since they're related, increasing the odds of the child having it. Now mind you, genetic diversity is good for the survival of the species, in part for that reason, but it's a bit silly to use that as the basis of disallowing incest these days given what we know about genetics and what not. Not to mention a few people having babies with family (and I doubt I can stress how rare this would be enough) isn't exactly going to risk destroying the entire human population.Keoul said:
Anyway, yeah, I've got no problem with incest really. As long as it's two consenting adults I don't think it's the business of anyone but those two. Certainly not the government's business. I wouldn't engage in it though in part because I rarely have those sorts of feelings for anyone, least of all family. Helps that I don't really like most of my extended family anyway and my sister brings out nothing but some familial love from me (and frankly, if she weren't my sister I doubt I'd put up with her half as much as I do).
In general evolution seems to favour genetic diversity. With close relatives breeding you get a higher incidence of 'bad' genetic traits being passed on (disclaimer: I'm not a biologist and one imagines this is a hugely simplified view of what's going on). So it makes sense that in general most people aren't attracted to their blood relatives (there are all kinds of ways this comes in to play, not just the Westermarck effect; one theory I've come across somewhere posits that smells play a large factor in how attracted we are to each other, because we can 'smell' if someone is similar to us genetically, and also if they have a healthy immune system).
What I'm getting at is that I've never been sexually attracted to any of my close relatives (and I have to admit, the idea doesn't appeal to me at all, but neither am I strongly repulsed by it), I get why society disapproves of it, but ultimately, if you've got two consenting adults... though they should still be wary if they want to have children.
What I'm getting at is that I've never been sexually attracted to any of my close relatives (and I have to admit, the idea doesn't appeal to me at all, but neither am I strongly repulsed by it), I get why society disapproves of it, but ultimately, if you've got two consenting adults... though they should still be wary if they want to have children.
I honestly couldn't give two craps as to what two consenting adults get up to. If said people happened to be siblings or whatever then so be it. Wouldn't do it myself, but then there are a fair few things I wouldn't do so that means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Emma Watson has the creepiest fans, I would know. I am a fanSmashLovesTitanQuest said:
as long as it is consensual with both parties the go for it!
Well you obviously shouldn't have kids with a blood relative, for medical reasons, but I think that's all the taboo comes from - there's no problem with it as long as no kids come out of it, though people are unlikely to want to anyway since they're raised not to feel that way. I dunno, I've never wanted to but other people can do what they want.
Now, is that what you truly think or is it because you're a part of a user group that tries to start flame wars when they notice a potentially flamey thread?Evil Smurf said:Emma Watson has the creepiest fans, I would know. I am a fanSmashLovesTitanQuest said:
as long as it is consensual with both parties the go for it!
OT: Ew and fuck no are my answers.
Well, I agree with this to a certain point... if you're adults, do what you want sexually but for crying out loud, don't have kids. A) That kid is going to get genetically screwed because you took it upon yourself to screw your genetics, B) The kid is going to start asking questions when the other kid's dad isn't their uncle as well and C) That kid is going to get bullied. Hard.Imperator_DK said:
On the other hand, it's icky to me. I've never seen my sister as anything more than my sister, likewise my with my cousins. Even from a young age I think I somehow knew that shit was just wrong.
Well, on a purely emotional level, personally I find the idea reprehensible, disgusting, vile and it ought to be completely illegal...
On an intellectual level however, this is probably how many people feel about homosexuality, and my argument for that has always been if you don't like homosexual relationships, don't have one.
So, to that end, by my own logic I'm forced to simply say people can love who they want, it has no bearing on me, and therfore isn't doing any real harm...
Right up until they try to have children, in which case there's plenty of scientific information out there to support my feelings, and that most certainly should not be allowed, for the sake of the web-footed, many-toed children, if nothing else.
On an intellectual level however, this is probably how many people feel about homosexuality, and my argument for that has always been if you don't like homosexual relationships, don't have one.
So, to that end, by my own logic I'm forced to simply say people can love who they want, it has no bearing on me, and therfore isn't doing any real harm...
Right up until they try to have children, in which case there's plenty of scientific information out there to support my feelings, and that most certainly should not be allowed, for the sake of the web-footed, many-toed children, if nothing else.
No, I really think that. I am a pretty open guy. That user group is not that bad eitherSassafrass said:Now, is that what you truly think or is it because you're a part of a user group that tries to start flame wars when they notice a potentially flamey thread?Evil Smurf said:Emma Watson has the creepiest fans, I would know. I am a fanSmashLovesTitanQuest said:
as long as it is consensual with both parties the go for it!
OT: Ew and fuck no are my answers.
Ok, just curious as I've never seen you be that open about anything on the site.Evil Smurf said:No, I really think that. I am a pretty open guy. That user group is not that bad eitherSassafrass said:Now, is that what you truly think or is it because you're a part of a user group that tries to start flame wars when they notice a potentially flamey thread?Evil Smurf said:Emma Watson has the creepiest fans, I would know. I am a fanSmashLovesTitanQuest said:
as long as it is consensual with both parties the go for it!
OT: Ew and fuck no are my answers.
And I'll believe that when the CM isn't posting in it.
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from a totally 100% logical standpoint its not exactly morally wrong unless you bring children into the mix
from my own illigical standpoint...
EEEEWWWWWWW *shudder* <- part of that I thin is due to genetic diversity and all that...
but anyway, I have a fraternal twin brother and even though we are rather like minded...we don't even hug or show affection...its just...yeah
from a totally 100% logical standpoint its not exactly morally wrong unless you bring children into the mix
from my own illigical standpoint...
EEEEWWWWWWW *shudder* <- part of that I thin is due to genetic diversity and all that...
but anyway, I have a fraternal twin brother and even though we are rather like minded...we don't even hug or show affection...its just...yeah
It's okay if they're not very closely related, like with cousins it wouldn't be that bad, but the farther the better. But Targaryen style is just disgusting. Even more so with parental incest. *shudder*
But my main problem with it is the increased chance of deformities on the children.
But if there would be two siblings fucking for recreational reasons, I would be creeped out by it, but I wouldn't really call it wrong, either.
And also, no, I wouldn't have sex with any of my relatives. Mainly because I don't find any of them attractive in that way.
But my main problem with it is the increased chance of deformities on the children.
But if there would be two siblings fucking for recreational reasons, I would be creeped out by it, but I wouldn't really call it wrong, either.
And also, no, I wouldn't have sex with any of my relatives. Mainly because I don't find any of them attractive in that way.