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Ralen-Sharr

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both properly consenting adults? I don't really care if related people want to go at it. I don't even care how closely related they are.
Would I do it? Not with a sister, but maybe a cousin, and only if there is BC involved.

My level of give-a-crap is pretty low. Of course my family isn't really "tight" with one another, so that may be part of why I don't see it as horrible as some.
 

theblindedhunter

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I'm in the camp of "if there are two consenting persons who understand the issues involved, then I have no say in what goes on between them." Additionally, I'll add that the issues of children from incestuous relationships are often overblown regarding single generations, and in a ways its still just playing the odds.
 

Smeatza

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Inherently wrong and should be illegal, purely due to the risk of an inbred baby being born.
Personally I think it's weird.
 

Aurora Firestorm

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Vivi22 said:
Keoul said:
The whole reason incest was shunned in the first place was because of the genetic disabilities it causes right? that shouldn't be as likely in cousins.
This is kind of blown out of proportion because incest doesn't cause genetic disabilities in children.

Whoa, hey. Yes, yes it does. Have you heard what royal family lineages were like, back in the day? Inbreeding in those populations caused some serious issues. Notice how purebred animals have strong and specific medical issues, like torsion in Akitas and hip dysplasia in...I think German Shepherds. This is because of inbreeding.

No, your genes don't magically screw up because you're having sex with a close family member, but who knows what little genetic problems are lurking, and even with technology, chances are you'd never see them until they popped out in your kids.


My opinion is, really now, don't do that with your family. There are so many other people out there. Just...don't even. I'd certainly not do it myself.
 

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Entitled said:
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I'll compare this to another issue: You know how homosexuality has been proven by all non-religously funded science to be harmless? And that kids from families with gay people or gay adoptive parents tend to be very happy and healthy? And there are just (adjusted for proportion) just as many long lasting monogamous gay relationships as heterosexual ones. The gays are accepted cause science and empathy make it clear they're A-okay. If they have problems, it's not because they're gay.

Incest doesn't have that kind of track record. Biologically and psychologically there seems to be real harm.
A few decades ago, homosexuality also had a pretty bad track record, simply because most gays were in the closet, so man of the ones who got outed were the ones caught with their pants down, often while raping someone, thus enforcing the stereotype that gays are depraved pedophiles, and generally sex-obsessed people who would fuck anything that moves.

Maybe the same is the case with incest. It's such a big taboo, that even if an average person doesn't feel the westermarck effect as strongly as others, they would rather deny getting turned on by family members, or at least do it secretly, so we don't see them having well-adjusted incestous relationships, and the only ones that don't follow that, are the ones with abnormally strong sex drives, or otherwise unwilling the follow cultural norms.

Sparrow said:
That kid is going to get genetically screwed because you took it upon yourself to screw your genetics
What's your stance on allowing people with genetic disorders to reproduce?
Not one of the pleasant kind.
 

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Aurora Firestorm said:
Vivi22 said:
Keoul said:
The whole reason incest was shunned in the first place was because of the genetic disabilities it causes right? that shouldn't be as likely in cousins.
This is kind of blown out of proportion because incest doesn't cause genetic disabilities in children.

Whoa, hey. Yes, yes it does. Have you heard what royal family lineages were like, back in the day? Inbreeding in those populations caused some serious issues. Notice how purebred animals have strong and specific medical issues, like torsion in Akitas and hip dysplasia in...I think German Shepherds. This is because of inbreeding.
Constant, sustained inbreeding. The occasional sprog-popping with a relative every ten generations or so is going to do sweet-fuck-all to the gene pool.

The_Waspman said:
Is this..? Just, what?

Has it come to this? Really, has it come to this!?!
Give it a few months and it'll come to this again.
 

Cavan

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MadMatt910 said:
As a geneticist I thought I would add an amusing tipbit to this.

If your parents are brother and sister, then it is technically possible for you to have the exact same DNA as a single on of your grandparents and therefore functionally be a clone of them.

In practice this is virtually impossible but still amusing to think about, in a slightly sick and twisted way.
I feel like this is how early research into cloning technology was 'handled'.

*is contributing to this thread*

captcha "Caesar salad"..why does that somehow seem inappropriate?
 

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Baron von Blitztank said:
What a man and his sister do behind locked doors is entirely their own business but once offspring start becoming a bi-product of the relationship then, well...

This.

Two consenting adults? Who cares. Just don't freaking reproduce, it's unfair to the kid.
 

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Cavan said:
captcha "Caesar salad"..why does that somehow seem inappropriate?
Well, it brings to mind the phrase "tossing a salad". So if the incest is between males, that captcha is related in some way.
 

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Aurora Firestorm said:
Whoa, hey. Yes, yes it does. Have you heard what royal family lineages were like, back in the day? Inbreeding in those populations caused some serious issues. Notice how purebred animals have strong and specific medical issues, like torsion in Akitas and hip dysplasia in...I think German Shepherds. This is because of inbreeding.

No, your genes don't magically screw up because you're having sex with a close family member, but who knows what little genetic problems are lurking, and even with technology, chances are you'd never see them until they popped out in your kids.


My opinion is, really now, don't do that with your family. There are so many other people out there. Just...don't even. I'd certainly not do it myself.
I think what he was trying to say is that it usually doesn't cause any unusual disabilities over the first 2-3 generations. In fact, the chance of the baby picking up a positive genetic feature is increased as well and is more likely than a negative one in the first few generations.

It's only after the first 3 generations do you start seeing webbed fingers or blue skin.

Personally, I'm all for it. I don't find it disgusting at all, though keeping it in the family for generations can be a problem.
 

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chinangel said:
I have a question for The Escapist: what's your opinion on incest, and would you ever engage in it?
Sibling incest? Meh. Doesn't particularly bother me. What contenting individuals of similar faculties do doesn't much bother me.

Parent/child incest? Eeeeewwww... that creeps me out so much. Probably because of the rapeyness.

Edit: Oh, and I find it odd that everyone is going with reproductive issues here. Has no one considered gay incest? Or, you know, using condoms?
 

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Shadowstar38 said:
Cavan said:
captcha "Caesar salad"..why does that somehow seem inappropriate?
Well, it brings to mind the phrase "tossing a salad". So if the incest is between males, that captcha is related in some way.
People, whatever you do..DON'T CAESAR SALAD YOUR CLOSE RELATIVES!!!!!!

Sing with me "I'm my own grandpa", as distasteful as it is.

Never thought i'd say that..
 

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I have no issue what two consenting adults do between themselves, as long as they don't harm anyone else, or in the case of incest, try to have children.

And I would if I had any hot relatives that lived closer (aka not across the ocean), or weren't too far out of age range.
 

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Aurora Firestorm said:
Whoa, hey. Yes, yes it does. Have you heard what royal family lineages were like, back in the day? Inbreeding in those populations caused some serious issues. Notice how purebred animals have strong and specific medical issues, like torsion in Akitas and hip dysplasia in...I think German Shepherds. This is because of inbreeding.

No, your genes don't magically screw up because you're having sex with a close family member, but who knows what little genetic problems are lurking, and even with technology, chances are you'd never see them until they popped out in your kids.


My opinion is, really now, don't do that with your family. There are so many other people out there. Just...don't even. I'd certainly not do it myself.
There's nothing quite like arguing against a point I never actually made. Well done with selectively quoting one single statement in my post and then ignoring the rest which basically covered the same ground you did.

But regardless, even given the increased probability of genetic disorders, we're not talking about a situation where if incest were allowed to happen and totally legal that situations such as those of the royal family, or selectively bread dog breeds are likely to spontaneously develop. Most people do not have sexual thoughts about family members by simple virtue of being raised together and that won't change, to say nothing of people moving around more than ever in history. It's very unlikely that you'd have situations where more than one generation, maybe two but it'd be a stretch, is the product of an incestuous relationship before romantic relationships branch outside of the family.
 

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I would never even think about it in my family but as for other people:
morally: Go ahead, whatever floats your boat.
biologically: DUDE! STHAP!
captcha: crime of passion
 

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Friend of mine has this thing where if a woman is even tangentially part of the family, he wouldn't be able to get it up even if he tried. He had a sexual encounter with his step sister when he was in highschool, but according to him, it didn't get far. Then last year, the sister of his brother's wife, i.e. his sister-in-law, had a similar experience with him. If the person can be defined as his "sister-anything", it's apparently a huge turn off despite his attraction to her.

Regarding my opinion about incest... if it's directly related... yeah, no. Not even if it's consensual.
 

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Bara_no_Hime said:
chinangel said:
I have a question for The Escapist: what's your opinion on incest, and would you ever engage in it?
Sibling incest? Meh. Doesn't particularly bother me. What contenting individuals of similar faculties do doesn't much bother me.

Parent/child incest? Eeeeewwww... that creeps me out so much. Probably because of the rapeyness.

Edit: Oh, and I find it odd that everyone is going with reproductive issues here. Has no one considered gay incest? Or, you know, using condoms?
or there could be no sex at all.
 

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In thoery, I have nothing against it. In practice... I tink it's a bit squicky. I try and keep my nose out of it to be honest.