Industry Elites Added As Judges for Webcomic Contest

Steagony

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SairexQT said:
I believe art plays an important roll here, far more important than some of you may think.
Really? Have you seen Doraleous and Associates recently?

Anyway, here's an analogy for you; you know how you choose the best possible weapon in an RPG to maximize your benefit, based on various stats like attack speed and damage? Well, that's totally different from what they're doing here. "Art" and "Script" aren't stats, and therefore cannot be measured, so they won't axe one comic in favor of some other by putting them against each other and comparing numbers.

Eh, what was I talking about again? So, yeah, what I'm trying to say here, is that if there's harmony between good art and good writing, it's a pretty good webcomic. All that's left is personal taste (of ze judges). Not sure if I'm actually going against your claims here, but I just felt like puttin' up my two cents.

@LACKT: I see you really like drawing guys kissing guys. Is there something you'd like to share with the group? :p
 

LACKT

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Steagony said:
SairexQT said:
I believe art plays an important roll here, far more important than some of you may think.
Really? Have you seen Doraleous and Associates recently?

Anyway, here's an analogy for you; you know how you choose the best possible weapon in an RPG to maximize your benefit, based on various stats like attack speed and damage? Well, that's totally different from what they're doing here. "Art" and "Script" aren't stats, and therefore cannot be measured, so they won't axe one comic in favor of some other by putting them against each other and comparing numbers.

Eh, what was I talking about again? So, yeah, what I'm trying to say here, is that if there's harmony between good art and good writing, it's a pretty good webcomic. All that's left is personal taste (of ze judges). Not sure if I'm actually going against your claims here, but I just felt like puttin' up two cents.

@LACKT: I see you really like drawing guys kissing guys. Is there something you'd like to share with the group? :p
To be Manly men!
 

boybokeh

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Meh, I'm probably squarely in the Penny Arcade camp, and without shame. It's not that I can't do anything else. I can. I will. But for this project, that's what felt right and what came naturally. It's also easy to make a judgement on a finished product based on four strips without knowing what those four strips could evolve into and what permutations could occur in the future. It's a natural thing in the lifespan of an ongoing webcomic.

Point is, I didn't actually go for anything particularly outre because that wouldn't be what I was comfortable putting out every week. It's a gaming site, and frankly, my submission reflects that. Maybe once I'd found my feet, but I had very little time, stumbling across the contest as late as I did, so I can't say I had a fully envisioned scenario laid out for the characters.

Incidentally, in the past couple of years since the art style made its most recent evolution into the current iteration, Penny Arcade totally rocks. Not that it didn't before, but it's an entirely complete product now, with a level of acuity and finesse that most of its competitors don't have. That's why they're as successful as they are.

What I'm getting at with that particular thread is that PA's art (and webcomic art in general) DOES make a difference to me. Granted, XKCD gets away with it for aesthetic reasons that you can actually connect to the writing, as does 8-bit Theatre, Cyanide and Happiness, Dinosaur Comics, et al. A Softer World, again, is artistic in a wholly unique way. Hyperbolic though it may sound, there's a certain kind of compositional genius at work in ASW.

However, I have to be honest -- though I adore good writing, I'm throwing my lot in with the good writing attached to pretty artwork. Why? Well, there's a lot of popular webcomics that DON'T have amazing artwork as standard. I'm eager to see a lot more that do.

Webcomics I like for artistic reasons:

Penny Arcade
Three Panel Soul (and previously, MacHall)
Clone Army
Even MegaTokyo (though I haven't read it for a long time now, despite following it from its inception... it really started to annoy me. Stylistically, I can't really fault how it's progressed)
Multiplex
Dreamland Chronicles

and so on.

All of this said, I'm fully aware that my stuff will probably get passed over as 'unoriginal', and that's cool. That's the direction I'm going, and if that's the case I won't feel hard done by, because it's a completely legitimate judgement. I dislike Ctrl-Alt-Del on the same basis, after all :D (that's not completely true... I find the artwork incredibly bland)

Anyway, that's my tuppence on the whole art vs. writing issue.

By the by, Tootmania, really like that style. Think it fits the format very nicely. The punchline isn't amazing, but it's not completely necessary, since the observation is completely valid, funny or no.

Isjusterin, that tea comic is amazing and made my day, if only because that could so be me (although, I hasten to add, I am a dude).

/rant
 

The Wooster

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Here's a question. Is anyone going to continue with their comic submission even if they don't win?

I think I just might.

Also. All in favour of the winner being chosen by post count? Guys? Anyone?

Damn
 

mynameissqrat

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Decoy Doctorpus" post="6.171632.5175248 said:
Here's a question. Is anyone going to continue with their comic submission even if they don't win?

I think I just might.

Also. All in favour of the winner being chosen by post count? Guys? Anyone?

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I think this question was asked before earlier on this thread. But I will say again I will defenently continue mine. It's a dream of mine. Idealy at this point though I would find someone more dedicated to coloring comics than myslef though, as that is an area where I still lack both resorces and skill.
 

RetroRobot

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boybokeh said:
However, I have to be honest -- though I adore good writing, I'm throwing my lot in with the good writing attached to pretty artwork. Why? Well, there's a lot of popular webcomics that DON'T have amazing artwork as standard. I'm eager to see a lot more that do.
In my opinion (My opinion chaps, so don't judge me on this) a good comic with good writing should always go together hand in hand.

Now by 'Writing' I don't mean 'Lots of clever dialogue'.

In my mind, when I create a comic, the images mean just as much as the words. You can tell a full story with little to no dialogue.

That's not to say that my submission has no dialogue. It does.
But I always feel that appropriate art is just as important as good writing when making comic.

Notice that I say 'appropriate':
Comics like Cyanide & Happiness would lose half their charm if drawn any other way (And that's a comic that although simple, has a very recognisable design).

'Great' art and a unique style are not the same thing.

But yes, just throwing my opinion into this mix here.
Good comics, (In my opinion) tell a story through art just as much as they do words.

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boybokeh said:
Isjusterin, that tea comic is amazing and made my day, if only because that could so be me (although, I hasten to add, I am a dude).
HHHHwhy thank you. There's a big underground tea-drinking scene threatening to overtake the black-coffee oppressors.

Also, nice post. I have to agree. There's a LOT of things I've read that don't necessarily have incredible art, but the writing is enough to carry the comic. HOWEVER, it's absolutely worth noting that even when the art is not that incredible, these comics have a certain aesthetic to them that makes the art have its own appeal. I think the best example is probably Pictures of Sad Children, which is really well written but very minimal in the art department. The art itself is not ugly, though. It creates a unique aesthetic. If, say, it used bright, clashing neon colors and horrible aliased lines, the blood in my eyes would probably prevent me from enjoying the great writing. So, the art isn't spectacular, but at least unique and supportive of the writing style. The same goes for xkcd and such. I will say that I'd rather someone just draw minimal art (ala xkcd) over trying to use artistic abilities that they don't have to create something blindingly ugly.
 

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Great art and well drawn can be two completely different things, especially when paired with another medium such as writing, game play, etc. Take Psychonauts its not as well animated or rendered as say Gears of War but the style when paired with the witty writing/ characters and gameplay it becomes great art.

Well drawn comics can make the weak story seem even more bland in comparison and a well written story can be awkward when paired with a mismatched art style.
 

boybokeh

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titankore said:
Great art and well drawn can be two completely different things, especially when paired with another medium such as writing, game play, etc. Take Psychonauts its not as well animated or rendered as say Gears of War but the style when paired with the witty writing/ characters and gameplay it becomes great art.
That's a bit like comparing Guns of the Patriots to something like Machinarium. Both titles aim for something completely different. It's not the writing or gameplay that makes Psychonauts as stylistically viable as Gears. Those are positive qualities, sure, but there's no way you can compare their aesthetics in such a direct way.

Now that I've finished splitting hairs (^_^;;) I think I can safely say that I can agree with the gist of what you're saying: the execution of the complete package is what matters.

And, since everybody seems to be doing it, here's a link to my DA account, oft-visited as it is (<-- sarcasm). None of this is really in my submission style.

http://jimiphoenix.deviantart.com/
 

Clankenbeard

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Decoy Doctorpus said:
Here's a question. Is anyone going to continue with their comic submission even if they don't win?
I'm going to buck the system. My idea/characters pretty much die should I fail to win/place/show in this little competition. This contest was an "I wonder if I could pull that off?" sort of thing. It was a pride venture, like taking a test without studying. OLDDEAD

I showed my strips to a guy at work who is not a gamer and his response was "What the hell am I looking at?!? What does the title mean? I get the boobs joke. That's all I get. Is anybody going to get this?" The comics submitted here had a selective target demographic--not general widespread appeal. If my comic wasn't good enough to win an open competition at The Escapist, then it probably isn't good enough to gain a following on its own. Without The Escapist pimpin' the snot out of it, my web comic would likely just fall through the silken strands of the interwebz.

Yes, I know there's no "place/show" :)
 

boybokeh

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Clankenbeard said:
I showed my strips to a guy at work who is not a gamer and his response was "What the hell am I looking at?!? What does the title mean? I get the boobs joke. That's all I get. Is anybody going to get this?" The comics submitted here had a selective target demographic--not general widespread appeal.
^this

My girlfriend smiled and nodded. She did get one strip, but it wasn't heavily skewed towards gaming.
 

LACKT

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I showed it to my ADD nephew ,he liked my strip,started running around shouting the description of the joke again and again...I think my entry will be fine.
 

titankore

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I had a mix of video game and non game jokes, with most being simple or obvious enough for most non gamers to get it or at least laugh at the physical humor. I tried to do some fairly straightforward jokes with multiple layers so the more deep you are into games the funnier it is.

In hindsight I probably should have done nothing but gaming jokes to appeal to the escapist judges but that would mean cheapening my work. It's like the difference between a whore and a dancer that likes to give ***wjobs.

That reminds me does anyone remember the name of a webomic that was all about weird fetishs and stuff. Like there was this girl that kept considering suicide but wouldn't because some guy kept asking if he could have sex with her dead body. I know I wouldn't kill myself if a guy asked me that... I would kill him instead.
 

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narcolepsyinc said:
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I think we should post our webcomics at GayGamer.com