Infinity Ward continues to fall apart

[JourneyThroughHell]

I was thinking along the lines of a stealth game.
WAIT!
A stealth game with space marines!

Oh, that totally just blew my fucking mind.

My favourite is World at War. Even with it's dodgey patching history, I just love it.

Ah, good enough, it's the one I also really like for some strange reason.

 

[reg42]

Just hope this dosen't kill any last hopes for a non-Call of duty project from them. Peraps Activision should do what we all know the want to do and merge Trytech, IW and slegdgehammer into "the Call of Duty Wanking Division" it would fir nicely with their "Guitar Hero Wanking Division", it could even have twice yearly games priced at £55 each with £10 map packs.

God, and to think I thought EA was bad all those years ago.

Activision is rapidly approaching Christopher Lee levels of pure evil. I shall never underestimate Koticks ability to make anything bland to the touch, like a corporate kind Midas.

Do you listen to TalkRadar? They were discussing this. What they said what that CoD is turning into the Guitar Hero of a few years back and that basically Activision is going to flood the market with half-arsed CoD games until no one wants to play them anymore, and then just move on to the next series.
I think it's a genuine possibility.

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

It's hard to care about this studio...it really is.

Tell me when shit like this happens at Treyarch, the better CoD dev.

Not that IW is bad, but they are highly over-rated.

I doubt it will.
Also, you probably have guessed that I really disagree with you, although Treyarch I do like.

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

I believe they did the same with the guitar hero guys, so they left and founded Harmonix, and while Rock Band has been reasonably judicious, GH is just becoming the rhythm game genres bad joke.

IMHO, design-wise, Guitar Hero is leaps-and-bounds ahead of Rock Band but they compensate this with having little-to-no good tracks.

Are you sure?
I mean, it might be dirty or scruffy, or other stuff.
The mohawk, on the other hand, is probably really easy to look after.

I think it's more the mark of a true badass that he doesn't even care about it, rather than Soap, who clearly pays a lot of attention to his hair.

Hell, you might be right.

 

[reg42]

Do you listen to TalkRadar? They were discussing this. What they said what that CoD is turning into the Guitar Hero of a few years back and that basically Activision is going to flood the market with half-arsed CoD games until no one wants to play them anymore, and then just move on to the next series.
I think it's a genuine possibility.

Hell, given Koticks and his shareholders record, I think nobody would object if you called it a practical certainty.

Perhaps they're just eliminating all but the base programmers, so that they don't get any of those uppity creative types. I believe they did the same with the guitar hero guys, so they left and founded Harmonix, and while Rock Band has been reasonably judicious, GH is just becoming the rhythm game genres bad joke.

That's true, I'm quite interested to see what the guys who left IW are going to do now.
As for Guitar Hero, do want to know something scary? There were 7 "Hero" games released last year, and I crap load more which were unofficially annouced for this year. So far none of them have shown any development and there aren't even any vague released dates.
Activision are just... evil.

 

[Riobux]

It's a shame when talented developers fall apart over money (no matter what people think about the Modern Warfare series, you have to hand it to them for being at least talented). I can only hope they end up replacing their old members with new ones which are just as good.

Times like this, I wish developers controlled the publishers, and not the other way around...

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

I can only hope they end up replacing their old members with new ones which are just as good.

Seeing how thos guys formed the series, it's a safe bet that even if the rest of IW doesn't quit, the games will not be Call Of Duty anymore.

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

IMHO, design-wise, Guitar Hero is leaps-and-bounds ahead of Rock Band but they compensate this with having little-to-no good tracks.

Well, it's not that they have no good tracks, but that they have so many games to fill that they spread them across too thin.

I still like the GH games more design-wise, they're more appealing and more fun to play.
But, yeah, you're right, they did overload the market and that's what we can all blame them for.
It's still ain't happening with FPSs, though, because CoD, although a main player on that field, are not the only ones on the market.

 

[TheFacelessOne]

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Congratulations Activision, you earned it.

 

[Riobux]

I can only hope they end up replacing their old members with new ones which are just as good.

Seeing how thos guys formed the series, it's a safe bet that even if the rest of IW doesn't quit, the games will not be Call Of Duty anymore.

I don't doubt it. However, I couldn't ever blame Infinity Ward for it. The first Modern Warfare game wasn't a fluke, it was just way too successful to be a lucky break.

So, yes, I hate Activision.

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

It's still ain't happening with FPSs, though, because CoD, although a main player on that field, are not the only ones on the market.

True, but considering MW2 is the fastest selling game of all time (I think so, feel free to correct me), other developers would have to be fools not to copy it, and if Acivision starts pushing the 'year after year' strategy for the COD series, they'll copy that . More do, more enter the industry, then eventually the market becomes so full of developers pushing out identikit games that you get something approaching perfect competition, then the market collapses because the money's being spread out over too many companies.

It's a worst case scenario, but quite plausible.

It's a worst case scenario

Well, that's not that likely.
I mean, Harmonix didn't copy the GH concept of shelling out game after game.
Or did they?
Well, whatever the case, we still have Valve, Bungie, DICE and it doesn't look like they'll be following the trend.

 

[That's Funny]

Activision are really quite dumb and greedy, do they know why MW2 sold like hot cakes, it was not just because it was a sequel to COD4, it was because IW made both and that was what all the fans were wanting, if Kotick wants to run the franchise into the ground then let him, but he has no right to take the developers with him.

 

[Outlaw Torn]

Infinity Ward going tits up is actually a good thing (unless you work for them) as now the CoD franchise is going to get muddied even more by TreyArch and Activision might actually have to come up with some new games instead of [word] Hero or CoD to fund their empire. Plus the folks who leave Infinity Ward could just set up a new studio free from Activision and continue with Modern Warfare, only with a new name.

Just a quick poll here; if Infinity Ward were to morph into a different studio and made a FPS set in the present day which was quick realistic and represented warfare in a modern way, would you buy it knowing that it was a spiritual successor to MW and MW2?

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

Just a quick poll here; if Infinity Ward were to morph into a different studio and made a FPS set in the present day which was quick realistic and represented warfare in a modern way, would you buy it knowing that it was a spiritual successor to MW and MW2?

Definitely, their previous games are really good so why shouldn't I buy their new ones?
Even if the game nothing in common with Modern Warfare, I'd still get it.

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

Just a quick poll here; if Infinity Ward were to morph into a different studio and made a FPS set in the present day which was quick realistic and represented warfare in a modern way, would you buy it knowing that it was a spiritual successor to MW and MW2?

I'd buy it as long as it was good, I don't care what they've done in the past, as long as the game's good.

But seeing how it would be a spiritual successor to MW and MW2, I doubt you would've liked it.

 

[theSovietConnection]

Aye, the main good FPS's I've played that have been released recently, Metro 2033, STAlKER and ArmA II, are all from the other side of the Iron Curtain. I trust eastern games far more than I would western AAA titles.

Hmm, have you played Cryostasis yet? Another great one and I recommend you pick it up if you haven't.

And yeah, I wholeheartedly believe the failure I'll forever remember MW2 being (gameplay wise, not sales wise) is entirely Activision's fault, not IW's. With the quality the CoD series had up to this point, it seemed like a complete departure from their norm.

[sub]And if the new MoD is that beardly, it already has my money.[/sub]

 

[SextusMaximus]

Activindi-izzard are ripping themselves apart!

 

[DudeMan1031]

*sigh* Well hopefully when MW3 sucks and gets poor reviews/sales, Activision may finally learn something and change their ways. Though that is pretty unlikely.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

[sub]I still think WaW was the best of the series[/sub]

Savage campaign, and so much fun with three buddies.

Didn't like the multi much though.

 

[Terramax]

I ultimately think it's a good thing the studio's falling apart. It's not like they're just gonna give up. They'll form a new studio and make a new shooter. Only this time they won't have to cater to Activision in their every step.

Thing is, important members of a pop company leaving and forming new ones has been known not to end well. Iron Storm anyone? Ex-members of Core Design going on to Circle Studio (now making DVD games). I don't know of many where they return to their former glory.