Intel Strategy Shuts Out PC Enthusiasts

[Kaymish]

some how i cant see intel throwing away all that market then again we should make sure AMD is in a position to better take up the slack i will be putting AMD in my machine like usual but what are YOU! going to do??

 

[-Dragmire-]

Intel Strategy Shuts Out PC Enthusiasts

Broadwell is the 14nm "shrink" of the Haswell microarchitecture, which is the successor to Ivy Bridge architecture present in Intel's Core series of CPUs, none of which is particularly relevant to anyone but the most die-hard PC nerds. But this may be: According to reports, Broadwell will not be released in an LGA package - that is, a chip that can be inserted into and removed from sockets - but instead will come soldered directly to motherboards. Even for just casual PC fans, that's bad news.

Doom theory aside, would there be any benefit to having a CPU soldered to the MB? The only difference I can think of is that it'll have slightly more heat retention from the extra solder, there's got to be a positive side right? I mean, they can't really market it as a blatant hostile market grab that makes the item itself worse.

 

[Callate]

I wouldn't mind horribly, except... I've never gotten the impression Intel was particularly good at making motherboards. I've never seen a spec for a custom-built system that said, "but what you really want, if you can get it, is an Intel motherboard." Their onboard graphics options have always been third-rate, even before AMD bought up ATi, and they have little incentive to offer the range of options modern motherboard manufacturers (say that three times fast) make available to consumers.

So... crap. I guess I need to get to building the best Windows 7 PC money can buy right about now, huh?

 

[DugMachine]

Good thing I'm running an AMD set up.

 

[gorfias]

My first IBM did not have a parallel port. My first 486 SX25 had no CD ROM or Sound Card. I had to put those in. Now, I have fiber optic 5.1 surround sound coming out of my motherboard. Intel has HD4000 graphics coming out of its chips. The Tegra 3 has 5 processing cores... for what used to be for telephones. Everything is in a state of flux and I have no idea who will come out on top.

Sure, it might be AMD if they keep the current business model. But if Intel Chips come faster and cheaper soldered on to a motherboard, we'll buy it.

 

[Solo-Wing]

Seeing how AMD hardware make up my PC... This is not a problem. I don't even want High end stuff anyways. I can play most games pretty well with my mid-build computer rather nicely.

 

[Bvenged]

Oh? Wanting to pull a microsoft here, arent we intel? Wonder if the EU will sue them like they did with microsoft... i think soldering your CPU down to motherboards is more dire then delivering your internet explorer with windows...

QFT. It's not cutting out the middleman, it's outright shutting down and stealing an entire business for your own.

 

[TIMESWORDSMAN]

It seems to me that this will just end up as a minor obstacle in PC building. I mean, people who build they'r own PC's are tech savvy, and gamers who build they'r own PC's are the tech savviest of the tech savvy. Surely someone could figure out a work-around, and if they're business savvy too, could make a mint in the process.
Perhaps a secondary processor that works in tandem with the Intel Chip, Effectively boosting your processing power?

"Take every knock as a boost, Every stumbling block as a stepping stone"

 

[teh_gunslinger]

And hello AMD. I guess it's time for us to du business again. You did well by me with the K6-2 ages ago. I hope you've kept up.

 

[The White Hunter]

Well AMD is looking better and better.

I was just thinking that. I think when my 2700K starts to feel run down it may have to be replaced with some AMD hardware instead...

 

[mooncalf]

Well I know what I won't be buying. Bundling components together as a proprietary whole? Hello IBM i didn't think you were still around...

 

[Panorama]

I'm still running an AMD chip, and looks like i might be staying with them.

 

[Vie]

Intel: Hey AMD dude, remember that time I tried to sue you for pinching my tech?

AMD: Er, yeh. Gee the 90's were a funny time.

Intel: Yep! And to show you there's no hard feelings, I'd like to give you something!

AMD: It's a bomb isn't it?

Intel: No!

AMD: A Windows 8 Install?

Intel: Fuck no!

AMD: Your going to try and get me to sell Ultrabooks for you?

Intel: Low blow man! Low Blow!

AMD: Sorry, you did kinda walk into it though.

Intel: Anyway, don't you want to know what I'm giving you?

AMD: Ok... ..ok, hit me.

Intel: It's the PC gamer and Enthusiast market!

AMD: Oh... ..wait... ..the part of the market that spends the most money per chip of any part of the market?

Intel: Yep!

AMD: Oh.. ...thank you. Er, jeeze now I feel awful for not having anything for you.

 

[CardinalPiggles]

I know where not to go for a new CPU when mine becomes useless then.

Hey AMD This is your chance and you had better fucking take it.

EDIT: Wait isn't amd in financial troubles?

I don't think they will be for much longer.

 

[blackrave]

I'm AMD fanboy anyway
and if AMD will play cards right then they might increase their market share

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

I may just go with a higher end AMD.

What "higher end AMD" do you think exists? Intel now leads AMD in price/performance at every single tier of the market.

intel clearly has the powerhouse cpu's, anyone who tells you otherwise probably hasn't done much/little research, but amd still has a strong hand on great cpu's for a cheap price.

just one meager example:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8320+Eight-Core&id=1782#price

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-2700K+%40+3.50GHz&id=881

on the performance chart they are near neck at neck for basic comparison, however the price is 100 dollars more to nearly doubling in price.

for anyone besides an enthusiast who has to run everything above 60 fps, that is probably going to be there choice. I have yet to run into any game my phenom II can't play on ultra (or high under insane load with huge graphics mods) matched with my 7850. Which is honestly perfectly okay, I went full on in the situation knowing the performance would be a bit weaker than expected versus an intel version of each, but that's kind of a known fact when buying amd vs intel in the first place.

OT: whoops should add my opinion to this, i doubt this is as misleading as it seems, most people will probably just continue on ivy for the next 5 years, it's not like games are going to magically jump exponentially in hardware requirements.

still, will be interesting to watch what happens nonetheless if amd makes a move on it.

 

[Atmos Duality]

Having read a fair bit about this on different forums, I can tell you right now that the source is from a translated text which got the google-translate treatment, so a lot got lost in translation.

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1729595&page=3

Second last post on that page has the "real" translation of it.

-- Intel will not provide new products for Desktop and non-BGA laptop segments in Broadwell era
-- Instead, they will provide higher clocked Haswell for those segments in 2014
-- Broadwell is "more than tick", and it will include some technologies that were previously planned for Skylake
-- This is because Intel needs to be more competitive in the tablet market, and this may mean the end of Tick-Tock strategy
-- It mentions nothing about Skylake and later or if they will be LGA or not for the desktop

So despair not enthusiasts.

Thank goodness someone finally said this, because if you didn't, I was going to.
You get a cookie.

All the documentation about Broadwell shows it's aimed squarely at the Tablet Market; not desktop PCs.

Semiaccurate is a rumormill and not a credible primary source. They cited their source through Google Translate, for fuck's sake, and based the meat of their article on a speculative comment the original author made.

At this juncture, I'm calling this article sensationalist bullshit and lazy journalism.

 

[Stryc9]

I may just go with a higher end AMD.

What "higher end AMD" do you think exists? Intel now leads AMD in price/performance at every single tier of the market.

I mean higher end on AMD's own scale completely ignoring that Intel even exists kind of like how I used to do when AMD made the better processors.

 

[ResonanceSD]

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8320+Eight-Core&id=1782#price

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-2700K+%40+3.50GHz&id=881

No "enthusiast" with a brain buys a 2700K. They buy a 2600K and then overclock it.

And besides, no enthusiast is buying AMD Bulldozer chips anyway, because let's face it, they're shit. 8 Cores that don't even work? No thanks.



I love how all the AMD fanboys conveniently completely forgot about the enormous financial problems that are hanging over AMD's head. Ivy Bridge is still kicking your ass, let's not forget that people XD

 

[DonTsetsi]

Guys, chill. Even if the info is true (which is questionable) it only means that Intel will start selling the permission to build a processor to the motherboard makers. You know, the same way they now sell the permission to use their socket. Also, not all PC enthusiasts are gamers. The professional users need a powerful CPU much more than the gamers do. 3D visualization, for example, usually uses the CPU as much as, if not more, than the GPU. No game needs a bleeding edge processor, but not needing a rendering farm is more than worth the price of one. And AMD just isn't good enough.