Realitycrash said:
Bertylicious said:
Realitycrash said:
Bertylicious said:
You mean that E-Peen is more about fame/infamy than respect, perhaps?
No, that's what you said. What I said was that E-Peen and respect are one and the same thing and that the things you listed were merely tokens towards earning respect.
Fame and infamy merely relate to how well known something is rather than the esteem in which it is held.
Well, E-peen might be given by some for some acts, and not by others. It might be eye of the beholder, as you said, but doesn't say much about what exactly it is.
Ah, well yes! That is the big question, isn't it?
What
is respect? It isn't the same as admiration because we can respect someone we dislike or even disagree with. It isn't the same as fame because we can respect someone or something that is not well known or even hidden.
Perhaps something that is respected must have an inherant value in order to garner that respect? It is conceivable, however, that someone would respect something that did not have inherant value through delusion or false perception of value. This would render the respect false but then would that neccesarily matter? Is the perception all that matters and that the eidos of perception, the truth of the belief, irrelevant?
All things, even delusions, have a root cause otherwise they would not be. In the case of a delusional value, a value which is perceived or deliberately presented as one thing when it is another, then closer inspection and rational interogation would expose that value to be false. So for example if someone were to tell you "Berty is very funny", which would then be a supposition, then presented doctored evidence where someone else's joke had my name on it then that would be a delusional value towards garnering respect through wit. Time would tell, however, that Berty is not funny and thus the respect would disapear as its foundation is disproved.
Perhaps this is what people mean when they say "I have lost respect for ..." as the underlying premise the value of respect was founded on has been disproved.