Its because IO interactive is from Denmark where we dont get shocked by such tiny things!.. sigh!
IO Changed Hitman: Absolution Following Nun Controversy
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Right, because the problem we had with a be-suited dapper white guy pummeling and brutally killing a gang of scantily-clad women was because we just didn't have the full story.
It's a real skill to be able to type out press releases when your head is subterranean.
It's a real skill to be able to type out press releases when your head is subterranean.
That's the thing though, I couldn't really give a crap whether they were scantly clad or not, the question that came up is simply WHY. Are they a gang which believe women are pure and superior? in which case a nun persona with a dominatrix style under dress wouldn't necessarily be inappropriate.bafrali said:
The issue of context is always an important one, and the point of trailers is to not only show off the games storyline a bit, but make you ask enough questions to consider actually buying the game.
If I buy the game, play through it, and realise it was "sexiness for the sake of sexiness", then I'll happily come back here and apologise, but all I have to go on was a brief trailer with no context at all. All I saw in that video were nuns with guns in fetish ware wanting 47 dead, and 47 preventing that from happening.
Does this trailer put too much focus on "OOH! WOMEN IN LINGERIE!", maybe, and without context maybe that's all it was, but I'll reserve judgement on that until I've actually played the game.
First impressions are important and i have to tell you i wasn't impressed with the trailer.FrostyCoolSlug said:
Gamers and gaming are growing up and it is obvious they will no longer tolerate juvenile approach of the developers to their hobby and i am happy to see this.
Oh yeah I totally get where you're coming from and even now I find most of this dudebro action adventure stuff with millions of wenches at your disposal to be boring.Irridium said:
But there are still TONS of young gamers who get hyped up by stuff like this so while still a shit trailer they're still catering to a younger audience I would think. Would be nice if we could just drop it all but its just marketing
Seriously? I'd actually go the other way. Unhinged individuals may focus on certain fictions, but, being unhinged, they're just as likely to use one fiction (The Dark Knight) as another (Modern Warfare), so the results would likely be the same whether one fiction existed or not.BlindWorg said:
Stable individuals, on the other hand, are much more susceptible to the influences of fiction, and fiction is often an indicator of current societal moors. Not in a, "You played Hitman so now you're an assassin," or, "Violent videogames cause real world violence," or even the whole idea that rape jokes cause real world rape.
I'm talking about a much more subtle, "Most things you've ever read, played, or watched treat women as disposable, helpless sex toys that need men to save them and keep them in line," and the cumulative effect that has on a male's ability to relate to and respect women, and a female's ability to respect and empower herself.
For example. Other examples include, "War is awesome if you're white and male," "Fat people are lazy, disgusting, and evil," and, "It's impossible for a woman to rape a man" (with the corollary of, "Male-on-male rape in prison is hilarious.")
I still think the whole thing was overblown, and the only reason it seemed to rustle feathers was because it was a guy fighting women, 'scuse me, scantily clad women. (who mind you had just tried to murder the shit out of him) Leaves me wondering if the reaction would have been the same had the devs used Rambo esque men disguised as a bunch of monks.
Still it's hard to actually care, but something about the logic for why we should be upset just nags at me as rather flawed.
Still it's hard to actually care, but something about the logic for why we should be upset just nags at me as rather flawed.
A lot of people don't seem to be grasping the issue of tone. It's not just that it includes violence against absurdly fetishized women, it's that it does so within the kind dark, dour, gritty, serious tone that, in the modern era, carries a connotation of realism. The content of it is absolutely absurd, as it is with a lot of games that do the same things, but other games at least carry a distinct tone of fantasy that acknowledges the absurdity to some degree.
Let's see...the video that offended everyone came out on May 30th. The video showing the backstory of the nuns (and that there was more than one group of them commissioned so, yes folks, they were always part of the game) arrived on July 5th. That means, if what we are told is true, that in the space of five weeks, IO Interactive saw the error of its mysogynistic ways, corralled its arists, and created a two-minute video of identical quality to other backstory videos it had previously released as part of its PR campaign in the hopes of appeasing the public.
Forgive me, Mr. Blystad, but I call bullshit. You already had the backstory written, the video made, and the game finished. You're using the public outrage as a springboard for your own advertising. Don't get me wrong, I think that's quite clever, but could you at least try not to be quite so transparent about it?
Forgive me, Mr. Blystad, but I call bullshit. You already had the backstory written, the video made, and the game finished. You're using the public outrage as a springboard for your own advertising. Don't get me wrong, I think that's quite clever, but could you at least try not to be quite so transparent about it?
Scuse me, could you tell me which game I need to play to beat up scantily clad women getting the shit beaten out of?Irridium said:
And please, none that fight back, since then it's not "beating the shit out of" anymore.
Actually a lot of those who are offended are. I am not offended by the trailer. I just find it incredibly retarded.matrix3509 said:
Step 1: hire people to assassinate someone.
Step 2: Make them disguise themselves in order to avoid raising suspicion.
Step 3: Make them travel to the place in a big group in a suspicious van so it can't possibly go unnoticed.
Step 4: Have the disguised assassins remove their disguises, abandon stealth and fire at random using explosives.
does a smith work with metals?! yeah im freaking serious! Denmark - first country in the WORLD! to legalize porn.. we are not easily shocked.. Fack yeah!Xid Satled said:
Fortunately, im not stupid enough to let fiction dictate my moralities or my views on treatmen on women. Though im all in favor of equal rights and treatment between genders, the portrayal you described shouldnt be censored out of fiction. That is a part of human history and behaviour and any mention of it shouldnt be censored from fiction.Azuaron said:
If they were, the ''publicity'' or whatever the right concept-that-im-thinking-of-but-cant-remember-its-exact-word of this behaviour could be lowered in the common people. They forget that that kind of treatment is wrong and unmoral. Stable and healthy in mind individuals will not forget the countless atrocities and make an effort to be better.
/end idealistic bullcrud
I'm fed up to see so many people getting offended for stupid reasons. 20 years from now we'll live in a bland, sanitized world where everybody thinks the same way (probably from low-grade reality shows and stupid movies).
If you are Christian and offended by half-naked gun-wielding nuns, you really are missing the point of your religion.
If you are Christian and offended by half-naked gun-wielding nuns, you really are missing the point of your religion.
I was actually thinking the exact same thing, in regards to context.DVS BSTrD said:
I like context! It enriches what you do throughout the game and give greater weight to the story points! Instead this makes it sound like the nun characters were just going to be throw away bad guys. I mean, I'm glad they have put in the context now, but that really should have been there in the first place!
Yay, more back story on big characters / groups! This can only be a good thing, right?
I understand that the trailer put some people off, it insulted the hell out of me, but IO Entertainment is run by humans, they make mistakes. No need to lambast them for all time for this error I am sure the game will be fine even without this 'tweaked' content which I believe is linked with this trailer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGJDoe62eNI&feature=relmfu
And for those who say that this one deviates too much from the original, here's a video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcJhijTI1Ps
Edit: Pause the first video at 0:42 and read.
I understand that the trailer put some people off, it insulted the hell out of me, but IO Entertainment is run by humans, they make mistakes. No need to lambast them for all time for this error I am sure the game will be fine even without this 'tweaked' content which I believe is linked with this trailer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGJDoe62eNI&feature=relmfu
And for those who say that this one deviates too much from the original, here's a video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcJhijTI1Ps
Edit: Pause the first video at 0:42 and read.
Well i forget sometimes we're linving in the age when people "get offended" about everything, as long as the nuns got more story now im fine, but really if they remove violence/sex out just because the whole trailer and people getting offended, i wont freaking buy the game , why ? BECAUSE IT OFFENDS ME WHEN MY GAMES GET CENSORED.
Really !! why don't we change pulp fiction, that movie had a lot of mindless violence, heck it even has some seriously offensive rape scene agains a poor black man , wait wait, yes lets change inglorious basterds thats offensive, what about the A Clockwork Orange, sex? mindless violence? rape? yup its got it all.
Hate when people get offended.
Really !! why don't we change pulp fiction, that movie had a lot of mindless violence, heck it even has some seriously offensive rape scene agains a poor black man , wait wait, yes lets change inglorious basterds thats offensive, what about the A Clockwork Orange, sex? mindless violence? rape? yup its got it all.
Hate when people get offended.
The issue with Lara Croft isn't the implied rape attempt, it's the same complaint people had about the characterization of Samus in Other M. In both cases you have an iconic female character with 15-25 years of established characterization as a capable, confident, self-reliant badass, reduced to a wussified, vulnerable "I need a strong man/player to control/protect me" little girl. And now that I think about it, these two might be the oldest iconic female game characters who are the proactive protagonists (i.e. playable characters) of their own established franchises and not damsels in distress. And just because these games are billed as prequels/reboots, it doesn't erase the image of the character people have built up in their minds over all those years. So yeah, people get angry when you drastically alter a brand and don't make it better.Kopikatsu said:
Now, if they make Kratos into a quivering little boy for the God of War prequel, or if Dante gets threatened with rape in the new Devil May Cry, I might have to revisit this argument. But I'm extremely skeptical that will happen.
Unlike those two games, the Hitman series has never been an over-the-top, Refuge-in-Audacity satire. A big part of the reason the fetish nun outfits got a backlash is because the Hitman series considers itself a serious game with a certain level of realism--e.g., you can't just charge a dozen armed opponents in Hitman, you will die. World-class assassins who wear skimpy PVC and stiletto heels while wielding assault weapons are ridiculous, and more importantly, charging into such a heavily-armed group with just a pair of handguns is suicidal and doesn't fit the tone of the Hitman series. Or in other words:Kopikatsu said:
What matrix said.matrix3509 said:
That response seems a bit overreactive in itself.BlindWorg said:
Psssh. What kind of gamer are you, to expect context in games?Vegan_Doodler said:
Yeah, we're totally better than this! We....DVS BSTrD said:
...I'm sorry, what was I saying?