iOS game lets you beat your boyfriend

[Hagi]

Mostly pretty reasonable stuff.

With a few exceptions here and there.

Way to cut out any context, dude. If I'm not getting my conversations mixed up, she had already made threatening comments and lewd photoshops of him. I'm not saying that totally justifies what he said, but it's obvious who you're trying to paint as a villain.

Dude... no amount of context will ever make that statement anywhere near "pretty reasonable".

But hey, if you think rape is ever reasonable then I guess we're pretty much done here. Not really much to say to that...

Do I need to repeat myself? Where did I say rape is reasonable? I said his videos in relation to feminism are mostly pretty reasonable, getting too sure he was right that girl was faking and saying some horrible shit doesn't instantly invalidate my agreement with anything else he says, if you reflexively disagree like that grow the hell up.

And I said not everything he says is reasonable, giving an example... To which you reply that it's completely ripped out of context and apparently partly justifiable?

Again, no amount of context will make what he said acceptable in any way, shape or form. Not everything the guy says is pretty reasonable. Simple as that.

Again... I did not say that. I said I disagreed with his statements in that post. That doesn't mean you weren't quote-mining in the worst way. I never said everything he says is reasonable, I specifcally used the term "mostly." You then fish out the worst thing you can find him say totally out of context to make it seem like he's this horrible person who attacked a poor girl unprovoked. It doesn't really matter, dude, you can dislike The Amazing Atheist if you want. I don't want to start a flame war over YouTube content providers.

Of course I was quote-mining in the worst way. That should be obvious...

The fast still stand that he said those words. The fact still stands that no amount of context excuses those words. The fact still stands that you were and are providing justification (It's irrelevant if the girl said horrible things) for those words.

He said those things, accept it and stop trying to make it seem like it was some sort of honest mistake anyone could make.

 

[Darken12]

I don't think all games should enjoy this protection simply for being part of the medium. I have no problem with that rape simulation game being censored or the one where you prostitute lolis. And that extends to other medums as well - I don't think it's exclusive to video games - works, I think, can and should be based on individual merit - slapping the art label on them for automatic protection against censorship just seems dumb.

Fifty Shades of Gray is a book where you are encouraged to romanticise being in an abusive relationship (and, arguably, to romanticise rape and sexual abuse). That is the book equivalent of a Stockholm/Battered Woman Syndrome simulator (or, if you're a male, the equivalent of a rape and abuse simulator). It has also sold a truly ludicrous amount of copies.

Movies and TV shows portray characters doing highly illegal (sexual) things, such as statutory rape, actual rape, sexual abuse and the like. The line between "for a narrative/dramatic purpose" and "for masturbatory purposes" is completely arbitrary. Any sufficiently intelligent/non-lazy writer will wrap any controversial masturbatory material with the veneer of narrative drama to avoid censorship, and viewers will keep on masturbating to that, no matter how illegal or reproachable.

Censorship is never the answer, criticism (and verbal condemnation) is. Censorship gives an authority the power to control. I trust I don't need to explain why this is bad. We, as adults, need to make our own moral decisions. We cannot give an authority the power to make them for us. If we find something objectionable, we need to publicly articulate why and then abstain from purchase, that's all. If we have a problem with the fact that there is a sector of the population that makes such purchases, then we need to work on educating the population to explain why we believe this is harmful to society while ultimately respecting their free will to make their own choices.

 

[fosteres]

I downloaded the game when I first heard about it (it was free). It's pointless, tedious, and more slapstick comedy than domestic abuse simulator. The game may be distasteful, but any game where you kill thousands of people has to be at least equally distasteful, right?

It seems to be gone now, at least from the US store. Chalk one up for censorship.

 

[Epona]

You can play it here if you have the stomach for it:

http://www.addictinggames.com/girl-games/the-boyfriend-trainer-game.jsp

Notice it's in the "Girl Games" category.

 

[Zhukov]

I just find this funny.

I know, I know, if it was a woman on the receiving end this game would be hurled into the fiery pits of hell, good for the goose, good for the gander, equality, blah-de-blah... I get it.

But it still makes me laugh.

Are you sexist or do you approve of DV against women too?

...

Yes, I am the biggest sexist on the planet.

I hate all men and firmly believe that every single one of them deserves to choke on their own wrinkly, satanic scrotums.

Also, I totally approve of domestic violence against women because, well... because I might as well go the whole hog, right?

This is all evident by the fact that the stupid premise of an iOS game makes me laugh.

 

[DoPo]

I just find this funny.

I know, I know, if it was a woman on the receiving end this game would be hurled into the fiery pits of hell, good for the goose, good for the gander, equality, blah-de-blah... I get it.

But it still makes me laugh.

Are you sexist or do you approve of DV against women too?

...

Yes, I am the biggest sexist on the planet.

I hate all men and firmly believe that every single one of them deserves to choke on their own wrinkly, satanic scrotums.

Also, I totally approve of domestic violence against women because, well... because I might as well go the whole hog, right?

This is all evident by the fact that the stupid premise of an iOS game makes me laugh.

Of course. And if you laugh at fart jokes, you're into scat, too. But that's also a game on the Apple app store, hence if you laugh at it, that means you condemn the use of any other brand of electronics. By the way, the game portrays two WHITE people. What, have something against the other races? Hmm? And what's the deal with blonds, are they not people or something - notice how the boyfriend and the girlfriend both have the same colour of hair (reddish-brown).

You disgust me.

 

[Frankster]

You can play it here if you have the stomach for it:

http://www.addictinggames.com/girl-games/the-boyfriend-trainer-game.jsp

Notice it's in the "Girl Games" category.

Aha! I knew it! It really is one of those fetish flash games

 

[Daverson]

From what I gather, women don't like to spend too much time around their boyfriend's trainers, or, indeed, any footwear. Something about miasma. So I don't think this is anything to worry about.

 

[Epona]

You can play it here if you have the stomach for it:

http://www.addictinggames.com/girl-games/the-boyfriend-trainer-game.jsp

Notice it's in the "Girl Games" category.

Aha! I knew it! It really is one of those fetish flash games

If there were a game where a man would hit his girlfriend until she was perfect, would that also be called a fetish or would it be called promoting domestic violence against women?

 

[Frankster]

If there were a game where a man would hit his girlfriend until she was perfect, would that also be called a fetish or would it be called promoting domestic violence against women?

That's actually a rather interesting question, but are you honestly willing to explore that with an open mind and put aside your prejudices and your projections or is your mind already made up on the topic?

 

[Epona]

If there were a game where a man would hit his girlfriend until she was perfect, would that also be called a fetish or would it be called promoting domestic violence against women?

That's actually a rather interesting question, but are you honestly willing to explore that with an open mind and put aside your prejudices and your projections or is your mind already made up on the topic?

Explore it? We already know the answer to that. This game is not about things that go on ONLY in the bedroom, this is domestic violence plain and simple.

 

[Frankster]

Explore it? We already know the answer to that. This game is not about things that go on ONLY in the bedroom, this is domestic violence plain and simple.

Well if you're already convinced you're 100% right, not much point of us chatting about this then, i will only antagonize you as i think you're wrong and projecting some very strong views onto an old weird game made for a particular group of people who won't view this product as you do.

 

[Epona]

Explore it? We already know the answer to that. This game is not about things that go on ONLY in the bedroom, this is domestic violence plain and simple.

Well if you're already convinced you're 100% right, not much point of us chatting about this then, i will only antagonize you as i think you're wrong and projecting some very strong views onto an old weird game made for a particular group of people who won't view this product as you do.

You really don't think a game that has men hitting women to make them perfect is promoting domestic violence?

 

[Frankster]

You really don't think a game that has men hitting women to make them perfect is promoting domestic violence?

Said like that, probably. But kinda hard to judge based on a 1 sentence description, context is important. You can't just gender flip fantasies like that and assume it will be the same for both, controlling the actions of a disobedient spouse is typically a female dom fantasy, not a male one (insert sexist joke here if you will).
If it really is a maledom game, then it would likely be sexual domination rather then beating a wife up because she is not perfect enough, to give an example. Games where you just beat up a female victim would likely fall into the "ryona" category instead.

If it were the equivalent of this game though, then a resounding no, it would only promote domestic violence in your mind and those that would want to get offended, since the game would be destined for a particular audience who (hopefully) can tell between reality and fantasy and its not like you're seeing adverts for this game posted all over the place bragging about how awesome it is to beat up your spouse.

 

[Stavros Dimou]

Who the hell is this even for?
What a load of absolute shit.
Don't know what kind of idiot would even buy this.
Bleh, I don't even know what else to say about it.

This is for a very small portion of women,those who have been having such a weird behavior that no man can cope their personalities,and instead of evolving themselves to become more mainstream humans think that men are evil and want to punish them.

 

[Nico4]

Women beating up their boyfriends eh? Might as well call this game "I Spit on Your Grave." In any case, yea men might be beaten senseless if they beat women, but since most of the various industries, aroudn th world, are spending time on showing that women are always damsels in distress, putting them in as little and exposing clothing as possible, and so on, the least that could happen is a small game where the women for once fights back.

NOt defending the game, but I'm not accusing it either.

 

[Mikejames]

The game does not jump out and hit you? The game doesn't kill your mother? It doesn't make you lose your job? The last one is actually a maybe but also has to have someone CHOOSE to be harmed by it.

Because as we all now, we can't criticize anything that might send a message or glorify a certain behavior, we're only allowed to get angry at things if it flat out physically assaults us.

Yea, no. Doesn't work like that.

Seconding this. Have to disagree with the mentality saying that nothing short of literal assault can possibly be tasteless or offensive.

I mean, think of the Westboro Baptist Church protests.

 

[KRAKENDIE]

Ready the fedoras.

I hope this isn't the same crowd that swears most video games aren't at least mildly sexist.

Also the reason why a game like this doesn't get a particularly large sphere of press is because the media tend not to treat female-to-male domestic violence because females are still considered weaker and inferior. Think of a chihuahua trying to flatten a bull dog and then consider whether or not you'd call it a 'dog fight'. Also, this game was probably created by a male, who is suggesting women are naggy and catty to the point where a girlfriend would hit her boyfriend until he is 'perfect' because she, being a woman, is a *****. And bitchiness is just what women do, right?

Most men would laugh at the idea that a woman is actually beating a man up. Start there instead of rage-quitting social sex politics the first time there's a spoof made about the issue.

 

[KRAKENDIE]

You really don't think a game that has men hitting women to make them perfect is promoting domestic violence?

Said like that, probably. But kinda hard to judge based on a 1 sentence description, context is important. You can't just gender flip fantasies like that and assume it will be the same for both, controlling the actions of a disobedient spouse is typically a female dom fantasy, not a male one (insert sexist joke here if you will).
If it really is a maledom game, then it would likely be sexual domination rather then beating a wife up because she is not perfect enough, to give an example. Games where you just beat up a female victim would likely fall into the "ryona" category instead.

If it were the equivalent of this game though, then a resounding no, it would only promote domestic violence in your mind and those that would want to get offended, since the game would be destined for a particular audience who (hopefully) can tell between reality and fantasy and its not like you're seeing adverts for this game posted all over the place bragging about how awesome it is to beat up your spouse.

It could be a male sub fantasy.

 

[CountArioch]

I don't have a problem with this game. There is a double-standard because women are smaller than men, weaker than men, and have a much lower pain tolerance than men. And in the past men have used all three qualities to deny women their place as sentient beings in society (The Romans didn't even name female children because they didn't count as people).

Sucks? Yeah, it does suck that beating up men is considered cute. So does the getting denied high paying, powerful jobs because of the mistaken belief that your uterus will get in the way.

So yeah, you guys need to get over yourselves. Go get a MBA then raise three kids waiting tables because most companies don't hire women executives then tell me about a double standard.