The mac vs pc ads are kinda offending. I mean, isn't it a bit odd to try to lure new customers by displaying them as out-of-touch ugly nerds (talking of pc guy). I know he is supposed to represent windows, but I can't help to feel they address the user base too in this way.
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I used to love the PC but then someone showed me a mac, I have been a mac user ever scince. I can only think of one good reason to buy a PC, which is they are more versatile.
Other than that the Mac looks great (on the inside as well as on the out), is amazingly easy to use and even if you wanted to play PC games you can now dual boot. I can completely understand the macbook air as whenever i travel on the plane i see loads of business men and women struggling with their ultra-heavy dells. Im sure they would love the idea of a tiny mac that can also come with a solid state hd that doesnt screw up when pushed slightly.
The reason people buy macs is not because they are following a trend, its because macs look stylish, are simple and efficient and do exactly what people want them to do, and better.
Other than that the Mac looks great (on the inside as well as on the out), is amazingly easy to use and even if you wanted to play PC games you can now dual boot. I can completely understand the macbook air as whenever i travel on the plane i see loads of business men and women struggling with their ultra-heavy dells. Im sure they would love the idea of a tiny mac that can also come with a solid state hd that doesnt screw up when pushed slightly.
The reason people buy macs is not because they are following a trend, its because macs look stylish, are simple and efficient and do exactly what people want them to do, and better.
Pandaz - this would almost be a good argument, except for its 90% your opinion (with a little bit of functionality dropped in). Which is worth as much as my opinion. Which isn't worth anything.
Buying something because it looks stylish = following a fashion trend. Feel free to walk us through your logic on how buying something that's stylish isn't following a trend.
In sum, neither one of us has said anything of value. Yay for the intarweb!
And with that, I'm off to bed.
Buying something because it looks stylish = following a fashion trend. Feel free to walk us through your logic on how buying something that's stylish isn't following a trend.
In sum, neither one of us has said anything of value. Yay for the intarweb!
And with that, I'm off to bed.
Uh, ok.. I can upgrade my PC in every aspect(can't wait to hear you tell me a mac does that better, somehow). That's a freebie off the top of my head.. the rest you'll have to pay for.Pandaz said:
That new thin laptop is a VERY expensive toy. It goes for 1,800 US$, It's hard drive is of only 80 gigs and it doesn't have a CD or DVD drive (or any disc drive for that matter). Whoever Apple is trying to reach with that "toy" is who really loves apple products.
I understand why you all would hate the iPhone, iPod, and even the new thin laptop, but I love OS X.
This is sort of a silly thing, but the F9 function that resizes all the windows increases my productivity magnificently. I know Vista has a similar feature, but I don't know the button for it, and I tried to assign it to F9, but it didn't do the trick.
I'm neither a mac or pc fan. I own my own pc built from the motherboard up, but I still enjoy using my parent's mac. I even like running Ubuntu and weirder, less stable linux distros.
This is sort of a silly thing, but the F9 function that resizes all the windows increases my productivity magnificently. I know Vista has a similar feature, but I don't know the button for it, and I tried to assign it to F9, but it didn't do the trick.
I'm neither a mac or pc fan. I own my own pc built from the motherboard up, but I still enjoy using my parent's mac. I even like running Ubuntu and weirder, less stable linux distros.
Having your own aesthetic tendencies does not equal stylish. I can think that my tinfoil hat looks awesome, yet it is not a stylish chapeau. Dig the difference?OneHP said:
Definition of stylish:
-Conforming to the current fashion; modish.
http://www.answers.com/topic/stylish
-having style; specifically: conforming to current fashion
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stylish
So if you say something is stylish, by definition it follows current fashion trends. It follows, then, that if you make a purchase directly because it is stylish, you are making a purchase that directly follows a trend.
It sold out overnight in San Francisco.laikenf said:
I suppose, then, we'll only be able to "follow our own aesthetic tendencies," when we're all able to design our own clothes and/or laptops to our personal tastes, yes? it seems silly that buying something thats, say, designed and manufactured by any company, ever, period, is "conforming," or more appropriately urban "posing."xMacx said:
Regardless of Webster's definition, the accepted use of "stylish" refers to good taste, ie "sexy."
"i think a svelte titanium laptop is sexy, therefore i will purchase it, and perhaps it will do well to accompany my Calvin Klein italian silk slacks and cotton lapel, and as such i will be one damn stylish mofugga." -a stylish fellow, (ignore the rampant run-on sentences and lack of capitalization.)
Right. Follow your point out, though - if stylish refers to good taste, what is the definition of good taste?eggdog14 said:
"Good taste" is defined as behaving in a manner that is socially and culturally acceptable. Ideas about good taste vary from one person to the next, but generally conform with cultural norms - like current fashion trends. Which follows back to the definitions above. I like where you're going with it, though. Try it again!
That doesn't wash in this case though, at least from my experience.eggdog14 said:
I'll admit that I don't watch much TV, so maybe I've missed all the other commercials where this didn't happen, but here's what I've seen from Mac product marketing:
1) Mac vs. PC - the ones I've seen almost never have anything to do with the Mac, they just kinda talk about how PCs are bad. I'm not going to touch the issue of the actors they chose to represent each side.
2) iPod - Honestly, most of the commercials I've seen for this seem to consist of showing the word "iPod" for awhile. That's the whole selling point. We hear nothing about space or function or accessories or supported file types. Just the word iPod. I feel like I'm buying a brand, not a product.
3) Airbook - Again, there is nothing about product specs beyond weight. My Dell weighs under five pounds, so I don't really see a big issue there. What I'd like, instead of a trendy song on a white background is some knowledge about speed and hard drive space. The whole commercial is more about "pretty" than it is about "function".
4) iPhone - This is the least guilty, as I can say that at least I know that it has the internet, just like several other phones nowadays. I know that it has a touchscreen. I guess that's cool. What else does this do again? Receive phone calls? Awesome. I don't really have too many complaints about the iPhone ads that couldn't be relayed to any other cellphone ad as well. Cell phones are treated more like jewelry than functional devices now.
iPhone aside though, Mac's entire ad campaign seems to be "We're trendy." Saying otherwise is delusional.
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Well I bought a macbook this year, due to my passionate hate for Windows, and I have to say that I'd never go back to running a Windows PC or laptop. Sure you can uprade your PCs but I really would never want to, I holds no appeal for me, owning something that has to be updated regularly least it becomes useless. Not to mention the amount of bugs my old PCs all developed and how much trouble my friends all see to go through to keep their PCs in some sort of workable state.
Indeed, to behave "in good taste" (or otherwise, to, for instance, tell a joke that is in 'poor' taste) is usually in the context of social acceptability.xMacx said:
I'm thinking more along the lines of say, fine wines. "He has good taste in wine." It's his personal opinion, but is generally agreed with by others. I generally view "style" as a completely personal opinion-- ideally, everybody is stylish, because they like what they wear and how they act. (Forgive the inherent shallowness of the subject.)
So, in this case, one will purchase the laptop because they, in their personal opinion, find it stylish. The fact that this is a generally accepted opinion simply solidifies and encourages their "personal opinion." -- that thought is rather convoluted, let me know if it doesn't make any sense.
i definitly agree apples ad campaign could use some work, their latest iphone commercials are infuriating though, "if you're the kind of person who checks facebook everytime you're at a computer, why not check it when you're not at a computer?"
because the kind of people who check a social networking site everytime they are at a computer are complete tools who should be banned from using computers at all, they are also the kind of people who would put a chain on their iphone and wear it like a status symbol. personally i'm so freaking tired of people wanting to tell me what a wear/drive/eat/play/use says about who i am to other people, your outfit doesn't define who you are neither does your car or your technology. so yeah apple is kind of hinging on selling trendy stuff
ok they are making a MAC Movie now, a full length feature film where people talk about how much they love their macs, god i hate free speach sometimes, anyway in a comercial for it this guy looks into the camera without any hint of a joke and says "i love steve jobs he knows what people need before they know they need it." honest to god that is what he said. now the smart people already know whats wrong with this phrase but lemme break it down for the mac users, IF YOU DON'T KNOW YOU NEED IT, HOW IMPORTANT CAN IT BE? and the creepy brainwashing vibe from that phrase is a good reason to never own a mac ever.
as for pcs NEEDING regular updates, thats just pure BS plain and simple. they are upgradable, but they don't need it, honestly unless you want to play the newest and latest stuff the second it comes out you don't need upgrades, i got a new pc about the time fear came out for pc, and i havn't bought one or upgrades for it since, works like a champ.
because the kind of people who check a social networking site everytime they are at a computer are complete tools who should be banned from using computers at all, they are also the kind of people who would put a chain on their iphone and wear it like a status symbol. personally i'm so freaking tired of people wanting to tell me what a wear/drive/eat/play/use says about who i am to other people, your outfit doesn't define who you are neither does your car or your technology. so yeah apple is kind of hinging on selling trendy stuff
ok they are making a MAC Movie now, a full length feature film where people talk about how much they love their macs, god i hate free speach sometimes, anyway in a comercial for it this guy looks into the camera without any hint of a joke and says "i love steve jobs he knows what people need before they know they need it." honest to god that is what he said. now the smart people already know whats wrong with this phrase but lemme break it down for the mac users, IF YOU DON'T KNOW YOU NEED IT, HOW IMPORTANT CAN IT BE? and the creepy brainwashing vibe from that phrase is a good reason to never own a mac ever.
as for pcs NEEDING regular updates, thats just pure BS plain and simple. they are upgradable, but they don't need it, honestly unless you want to play the newest and latest stuff the second it comes out you don't need upgrades, i got a new pc about the time fear came out for pc, and i havn't bought one or upgrades for it since, works like a champ.
Personally, I find it difficult to hate on a company for making money, or for (as they are often accused of) pandering to the more wealthy of the world. They are a company. The point of profit based companies is *gasp* profit.
Same reason I don't really hate on Gates and Microsoft. Yeah, sometimes their products are broken, or don't pack in the features I want. That happens to be true of a great many products and companies I encounter in my shopping. If I don't like it, I don't buy it.
That doesn't require my eternal hatred as it seems to from many of you out there.
The iWhateverthehellwewanttoproducewithanapplelogo stuff is pretty expensive, so I don't buy it. On the flip side, my brother owns a Mac pro, has boot camp to play windows games on it, spent a shit-ton of money, but swears it's the best thing since nipples; my fiance bought me an iPod, so I use it and think it's pretty groovy. (wasn't my money!)
My brother's Mac runs well, everything just *works* on the Mac OS, and it looks.. well actually, it looks kinda weird to me, but he likes it. Myself, I am pretty happy with my sub-thousand PC I built running XP (for now).
If you spend your time disliking something so much you have to start up/join flame wars to justify your deep and unquenchable hatred for X-company/product, then you are losing valuable gaming time on the stuff you DO like.
This coming from me; the biggest A-Hole I know.
Reserve your hatred for hamsters. They are evil and would kill you in your sleep given half a chance.
Same reason I don't really hate on Gates and Microsoft. Yeah, sometimes their products are broken, or don't pack in the features I want. That happens to be true of a great many products and companies I encounter in my shopping. If I don't like it, I don't buy it.
That doesn't require my eternal hatred as it seems to from many of you out there.
The iWhateverthehellwewanttoproducewithanapplelogo stuff is pretty expensive, so I don't buy it. On the flip side, my brother owns a Mac pro, has boot camp to play windows games on it, spent a shit-ton of money, but swears it's the best thing since nipples; my fiance bought me an iPod, so I use it and think it's pretty groovy. (wasn't my money!)
My brother's Mac runs well, everything just *works* on the Mac OS, and it looks.. well actually, it looks kinda weird to me, but he likes it. Myself, I am pretty happy with my sub-thousand PC I built running XP (for now).
If you spend your time disliking something so much you have to start up/join flame wars to justify your deep and unquenchable hatred for X-company/product, then you are losing valuable gaming time on the stuff you DO like.
This coming from me; the biggest A-Hole I know.
Reserve your hatred for hamsters. They are evil and would kill you in your sleep given half a chance.
Agreed. Bought my MacBook bout a year ago now and still love it compared to PC's I used to use. Just the functionality (user friendly and beautiful) as well as how it looks. And no I didn't like the looks because I thought it would impress other people while I was out (they might want to steel it). I liked the looks because they pleased me, I don't care what others think of it.Eagle Est1986 said:
I do think however that Apple's add campaigns are just trying to sell trend whore consumers the style of their products. They know that they dominate the MP3 player market with the iPod (actually I don't know that they do, but I think they have a big ol' whack of it don't they).
So now they can sell their computers to their market base who bought the iPod to look cool.
A very odd experience. Your mileage clearly does vary from the people I know who use them. Namely myself (photography student) and a few friends (a musician, a chemistry student and someone who bought it cos it was pretty/told it was easy to use).TheNecroswanson said:
We've not had any locking up problems, and for us (this really must be personal taste) everything feels much smoother and easier than a PC. Like it was designed for anyone to use, rather than people who already have computer experience.