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Therumancer

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InnerRebellion said:
I saw it last night, and I have to say, it wasn't that bad. I do have to say, though, that some of it was a disappointment. I really hoped Whiplash would have talked more, but I did like his occasional commentary. But Hammer....whoever played him made him seem like an over enthusiastic nerdy prick.

Did anyone else see it?
Well, I think the movie itself was okay. One of the things I like about the "Iron Man" franchise is that it's not sinking into the entire "dark, brooding, ambigious" hero stereotype that most other works of this type are. Iron Man is still about over the top fun and superhuman swashbuckling when you get down to it, this version of Stark has a sort of childlike glee/wonder about the whole superhero thing that is a great counterpoint to other sueprhero movies like "The Dark Knight".

That said it also illustrates some of the weaknesses of trying to put comic properties into movie format. Comics work because you can build this huge, interwoven universe between titles and having them cross over. With movies heroes for the most part have to exist entirely within their own cosm, and the efforts made to address this seem to have failed somewhat. This also hurts the depth of certain characters.

I think Justin Hammer was especially bad in this movie because he's the kind of character that needs time to develop. Also turning him into comedy relief of a sort (the bit with War Machine's "super missle" being the biggest punchline) was a mistake. In the comics if Hammer is involved, you can pretty much guarantee the bad guys are going to have some impressive hardware despite everything. In this movie, well... this portrayal didn't work as a villain or do justice to the character. But then again I'm not sure how they could have really made this guy a serious adversary in a two hour movie without taking away from other things. I could be wrong (it's been a while) but I seem to remember this guy built all the armor for "The Right" which was a fairly credible threat for a while, among other things. Hammer for the most part tends to act behind the scenes, but still I sort of felt the finale should have been a two on two battle, with Whiplash, and some kind of totally Hammer-designed death machine. For everything, Hammer *is* supposed to be an uber-genius who is almost the equal of Tony Stark (who himself runs just short of Reed Richards, Doctor Doom, and other Marvel Universe big brains).


I will also say that I got the impression that this movie was not setting up the entire "Avengers" thing as much as people might think, it seemed to be creating an "out" for the Avengers movie to *NOT* include Iron Man, despite previous lead ins. Something that would not surprise me since the amount of money Robert Downy Jr. is likely to command for doing that movie is going to be high, along with the amount of screen time he's likely to request.

Sometimes fans tend to forget how much movie stars demand for their work, and the fact that by agreeing to do a movie on the cheap, they can sometimes hurt themselves in later contract negotiations. This is why movies generally can't be filled with the ideal big-name actors to play various characters. Especially when you consider many successful actors are going to scorn bit parts, and fear how certain "fan" movies might hurt their perception as a serious actor.


Now granted, the other movies that would tie into "The Avengers" seem to have no names for the most part, but if we were to assume going with the "Ultimate" theme that we're going to have Samual L. Jackson, Scarlet Johannson , Robert Downy Jr., and Ed Norton (The Hulk) already, that's a massive wad of cash, and we haven't even gotten into Captain America, Thor, and any potentially big name actors doing supporting roles that this might require.

The end result is that I sort of suspect this huge "Avengers" movie might be a disappointment and some of the big name people we want to see are going to be missing. I am hopefully wrong, but I am sort of thinking Robert Downy Jr. won't be in The Avengers...
 

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Therumancer said:
He already did a bit part at the end of the second Hulk movie, and I imagine that if an Avenger plan was in the works at that point then they probably worked in their part in the movie, along with the cameo appearances in the tie in movies into their contracts.
 

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It had:
- Huge explosions.
- Robots duking it out big time.
- Scarlett Johnansson in a nice, black uniform.
- Scarlett Johansson totally kicking ass (really, one of the coolest fight scenes I've seen in ages)
- More explosions.
- Tony Stark highjinks.

And thus, I am pleased. Very pleased. I grinned almost constantly while watching it. Yeah, sure, it had it's flaws. Some characters could've been fleshed out better, some actor's could've acted better, but I don't give a damn as it was just awfully entertaining. There's no need for complaining when you're having fun.
 

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Therumancer said:
InnerRebellion said:
I saw it last night, and I have to say, it wasn't that bad. I do have to say, though, that some of it was a disappointment. I really hoped Whiplash would have talked more, but I did like his occasional commentary. But Hammer....whoever played him made him seem like an over enthusiastic nerdy prick.

Did anyone else see it?
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Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Wasp, and likely Hulk. Thats the members of the already in production Avengers movie. Yes, Ant Man wont be a major player, but will be...around.

Also former Marvel comics writer, and still super nerd Joss Whedon is directing. So thats a good thing.
 

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I went to see it only to see War Machine (a.k.a. Iron Man, only cooler in every possible way.)

Son, I was not dissapoint.
 

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Cowabungaa said:
It had:
- Huge explosions.
- Robots duking it out big time.
- Scarlett Johnansson in a nice, black uniform.
- Scarlett Johansson totally kicking ass (really, one of the coolest fight scenes I've seen in ages)
- More explosions.
- Tony Stark highjinks.

And thus, I am pleased. Very pleased. I grinned almost constantly while watching it. Yeah, sure, it had it's flaws. Some characters could've been fleshed out better, some actor's could've acted better, but I don't give a damn as it was just awfully entertaining.
My thoughts exactly. The Dark Night is great with its brooding darkness and whatnot, because that's how the Batman universe rolls nowadays. While I have zero experience with the Ironman comics I think the movies are done exceedingly well and have done what Michael Bay should have done with Transformers. Without bastardizing the entire franchise they've managed to make a great movie that's just straight fun no matter how you look at it. If you watch it and walk out with the thought "man I paid X dollars for that piece of crap?" there's something seriously wrong with you. Sure it has it's flaws, Whiplash indeed could have had more screen time being well...Whiplash, but overall I didn't feel it detracted from the experience enough to impact the quality of the movie. If anything I feel it added to it because it allowed more of a focus on the development of Tony's character. Yes every superhero movie needs some villain badassery in surplus but I think watching Tony Stark essentially go mad with power replaces that badassery quite nicely.

Can anyone honestly deny that his fight with Rhodie set to "Another One Bites the Dust" was not the most Win fight scene you will see all summer?
 

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I really liked the movie, and I thought hammer was done rather well, though I do agree that they could have had the villain have a bigger part.
 

Therumancer

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Miumaru said:
Therumancer said:
InnerRebellion said:
I saw it last night, and I have to say, it wasn't that bad. I do have to say, though, that some of it was a disappointment. I really hoped Whiplash would have talked more, but I did like his occasional commentary. But Hammer....whoever played him made him seem like an over enthusiastic nerdy prick.

Did anyone else see it?
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Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Pixie, and likely Hulk. Thats the members of the already in production Avengers movie. Yes, Ant Man wont be a major player, but will be...around.

Also former Marvel comics writer, and still super nerd Joss Whedon is directing. So thats a good thing.
Pixie? You mean "The Wasp"?

Pixie is not an unpopular character but she belongs more with the X-men than the Avengers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixie_(X-Men)
 

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Therumancer said:
Miumaru said:
Therumancer said:
InnerRebellion said:
I saw it last night, and I have to say, it wasn't that bad. I do have to say, though, that some of it was a disappointment. I really hoped Whiplash would have talked more, but I did like his occasional commentary. But Hammer....whoever played him made him seem like an over enthusiastic nerdy prick.

Did anyone else see it?
Lots of text
Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Pixie, and likely Hulk. Thats the members of the already in production Avengers movie. Yes, Ant Man wont be a major player, but will be...around.

Also former Marvel comics writer, and still super nerd Joss Whedon is directing. So thats a good thing.
Pixie? You mean "The Wasp"?

Pixie is not an unpopular character but she belongs more with the X-men than the Avengers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixie_(X-Men)
Yeah, I meant Wasp. I was reading about Nightcrawler recently and it mentioned Pixie a few times so it was fresher in my head.
 

Spy_Guy

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:-/

That was my expression during the entire movie.
It just felt hollow, and the final fight was anti-climactic. In the end I think it was a regretful waste of money, and I wouldn't recommend it (wasn't expecting Bladerunner, but really now?).

To prove my point:
The final fight against Whiplash consists of Tony and his sidekick seeing him, going "oh crap", recieving a beating, and then nuke him with Chekhovs Gun. This takes around two minutes. This after a taunting from the villain, essentially saying "new and improved".

Needless to say I didn't quite get the fight I wanted, or expected.