Is aura real?
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If they were real or some people would be able to gain information from them via 'reading' these auras, someone would have completed the James Randi's 1M$ challenge a long time ago.
Unsurprisingly, when put under the microscope so to speak, all 'abilities' like this whittle down to inexistance or simple guesswork combined with basic psychology and body language, also known as 'cold reading'. In this, you throw guess, partial answers in an abiguous way to your 'victim' and by reading their body language refine the answers and make further guesses based on them, in the end apparently coming to the correct names, places, people and answers to questions by some supernatural means.
Unsurprisingly, when put under the microscope so to speak, all 'abilities' like this whittle down to inexistance or simple guesswork combined with basic psychology and body language, also known as 'cold reading'. In this, you throw guess, partial answers in an abiguous way to your 'victim' and by reading their body language refine the answers and make further guesses based on them, in the end apparently coming to the correct names, places, people and answers to questions by some supernatural means.
Everything radiates. Atomic structure is never completely stable and living organisms radiate quite a lot. Not gamma rays, but nuclear radiation anyways. This has very little (nothing) to do with auras/ other new age garbage.ViktorValentine said:
Humans, just like other animals, can "sense" others. The consious mind does not always register/cannot read the messages our senses send. Even tiny changes in heat, smell, sound and even air pressure are sensed, we just don't know it.
OP: This is mostly a psychological thing. We grow to learn certain things are "hallowed" or people with a cartain title or position are worth extra attention. Plus, sometimes the surroundings have a natural effect on people: churches, for example. Especially cathedrals are very impressive, huge, monstrous behemoths that loom over people and inspire fear and respect. Add that to the general holyness of the places in people's minds and it's no wonder sometimes someone says "St. Peters church had a special feel to the place".
I'm unsure about things like this. I have a friend who claims she can see aura's and ghosts and things and I don't see any reason to doubt her because she's not the type of person to lie about things like that. I suppose they could be real but then again maybe not. Someone would have to give me undeniable proof for me to believe it either way, but that doesn't seem likely to happen so I'll just remain open-minded about it.
I refer you to how many times i used the word "intensly" in my previouse post.SakSak said:
Hmmmm only two, intensly, there we go.Hakazaba said:
On a more serious note what you say is entirely true for most claimed psychics there is a truth in the matter.
You cant really say "cold reading" to the fact he grew up seeing peoples organs and auras and thinking that its normal. (but scisophrenia might work)
He worked as an exorcist for a while too, yes he has references.
He even did a healing on me. It felt warm... and tingly.
And yes he is a real person with a real job, His names michel and hes a landscaper.
Edit: About that 1 millon dollar thing. If someone is not open it cannot effect them.
everyone is a bit psychic even animals, cats more than dogs.
For the record, I believe in Auras. Still, how can they really help anyone in day to day life?
Being able to "guess" things about people to a high level of accuracy is more likely going to make people uneasy.
Healing can be good. For that type of healing, you would need to be open for it. That can be difficult for some people.
And from my experience, even if a person can predict the future, the reasons for not using it to win lotteries or put it on bets is to do with morality. e.g. nothing good would come out of selfish use of gifts.
Hmm, Just some random thoughts on the subject.
Being able to "guess" things about people to a high level of accuracy is more likely going to make people uneasy.
Healing can be good. For that type of healing, you would need to be open for it. That can be difficult for some people.
And from my experience, even if a person can predict the future, the reasons for not using it to win lotteries or put it on bets is to do with morality. e.g. nothing good would come out of selfish use of gifts.
Hmm, Just some random thoughts on the subject.
And so the loop-hole is revealed.Hakazaba said:
"Oh no, we do not do tests! We heal the sick, we read the future, but comes a disbeliever and suddenly 'we do not do tests! The planets are not aligned, the moon is not at proper phase, the entrails guide against it! We do not do tests!' Why would that be? Because you can't show your power and you know it!"
And that is why I do not believe: no-one has been able to prove it and I have personally made several 'psychics' botch their mind-reading/grave-listening (=cold-reading) by consiously but subtly changing my expression at points where their guesses were wrong. Were their power real they would not have to rely upon my expression at key points of their speech and thus would get the facts right regardless of my reactions. There is also no shown effect for laying-on-hands beyond placebo effect. People are also good at lying and conveniently there is no way for us to check that this Michel is speaking the truth when it comes to seeing people's organs as he grew up.
Oh, and the warmth and tingling? Sure it wasn't just body warmth from his hands? Rubbing hands together can temporarily increase the skin's surface temperature over 40 degrees C, making a noticeable change to normal body temperature. This results, according to standard physics, in heat transfer from the warmed hands to the cooler skin underneath it and activates the corresponding warmth-sensing nerves.
Same effect can be achieved by holding a moderately warm cup of coffee right next to your skin...
EDIT: The cup of coffee doesn't give the same tingling? Oh you disbeliever, you are just not open the healing powers radiated by warm coffee.
What I mean is this: The result is different because you are suddenly not presupposing the result, instead adopting a 'let's see what happens' stance. Hence you are not deluding yourself when it comes down to the claimed healing powers of the warm coffee.
"If someone is not open it cannot effect them." Mmh, indeed. We do not do test... In other words, the person has to presuppose and believe the result to be real (=self-deluding) before this 'skill' can work on them. Didn't work? Well "he wasn't open."
I'm sure he is a wonderful person, but I do not believe your roommate has any 'powers' or whatever.
Yay some bile to rince, oh by the way all of your points are moot, possibly due to me being vague.
and thus when they try to prove to someone who "KNOWS" they are lieing and are just are assulting them with anger its perfectly understandable that they would falter, let alone a room of them.
It was quite funny actually, after a while the sensation stopped and then he started snoring.
So did i get all of your points?
Edit: Psychic can do little in terms of power, the can just see and communicate with spirits, they do all the work.
Psychics cannot read minds so they were fakes. They can however "feel" feelings (empathy)SakSak said:
and thus when they try to prove to someone who "KNOWS" they are lieing and are just are assulting them with anger its perfectly understandable that they would falter, let alone a room of them.
Yeah maybe exept for the Psychiatrist report.SakSak said:
It seems i failed to tell you that we were on different sides of the room, i was on the computer, and he fixed my bad back that i got from working for him.SakSak said:
It was quite funny actually, after a while the sensation stopped and then he started snoring.
So did i get all of your points?
Edit: Psychic can do little in terms of power, the can just see and communicate with spirits, they do all the work.
Well, I doubt we have all senses so perhaps it could be some sort of thing that creatures radiate though we can't pick up directly on. Maybe subconsciously we are aware of an aura and maybe some people can harness that sense. I don't know. I have done little research on it.
Chemically, perhaps, but spiritually, I say nope. I'm a naysayer to the supernatural in general, really.
It has been proven that the human body emits a electric field that is measurable and here comes the interesting (and slightly creepy) part, stay with me as this takes a while.
Fact 1) The vampire subculture exists
#2) There are two parts of vamaprism (or two types); sanguine (blood-drinking) and Psychic (or psy)
#3) Psy vampires don't drink or dig in people's minds but feed off the of "aura" another
#4) Using a devise that shows the movement of electric fields, a Psychic vampire, and a non-vampire volunteer, it was shown that tendrils came from the vampire's electric field and connected with the volunteer's field when their hands were placed in close proximity.
#5) The volunteer's electric field weakened and they reported having a slight drop in mood and energy, whilst the vampire reported the exact opposite as their field grew stronger.
Fun stuff.
Fact 1) The vampire subculture exists
#2) There are two parts of vamaprism (or two types); sanguine (blood-drinking) and Psychic (or psy)
#3) Psy vampires don't drink or dig in people's minds but feed off the of "aura" another
#4) Using a devise that shows the movement of electric fields, a Psychic vampire, and a non-vampire volunteer, it was shown that tendrils came from the vampire's electric field and connected with the volunteer's field when their hands were placed in close proximity.
#5) The volunteer's electric field weakened and they reported having a slight drop in mood and energy, whilst the vampire reported the exact opposite as their field grew stronger.
Fun stuff.
Well, on three fronts.
One, people do have a bioelectic field. You can use electrodes to subtly mess with it and produce some pretty startling results.
Two, there is a disorder that can result in faint bioluminescence. I forget the name, but the skin will visibly glow faintly in low light environments.
Three, I've seen them personally, occasionally. I can't read them, and it's not something I can call up on a whim, but it's there.
One, people do have a bioelectic field. You can use electrodes to subtly mess with it and produce some pretty startling results.
Two, there is a disorder that can result in faint bioluminescence. I forget the name, but the skin will visibly glow faintly in low light environments.
Three, I've seen them personally, occasionally. I can't read them, and it's not something I can call up on a whim, but it's there.
Well, duh. If they could deliver, they'd hardly be fakes.Hakazaba said:
yes, it's so hard to tell what another person is feeling based on his body language. We all do this instictively. Every. Single. Day. Thank those mirror neurons that allow you to see things from other's perspectives. There are quite a few biology papers on the subject
So their aura-reading power is just the ability to understand emotions based on observing the subject? If that's the case, what am I supposed to be amazed at? Every single mentally healthy human can do that. And no auras or 'contacting the spirits' are required, simple facial expression and body language are enough. I mean, i can do it and I most certainly are not contacting any spirits, reading mystical signs or scrutinizing someone's aura.
As I said, people are good at lying.
Besides, I doubt he has made this psych evaluation exactly public now has he? Which means I'd have to take your word for it. But since in cases like this where people claim some supernatural/spiritual/unconvetional powers, word of mouth is by no means enough. If it were, Nessie were real, there'd be enough UFOs flying in the sky to make amateur astronomists see one every hour or so, while they would be getting eaten by dragons and the scrap pieces would be used by entire colonies of Sasquatch as building materials....
So how do you know he actually did anything? Did you have a doctor examine it before this healing? Did you take any medications or painkillers? Did you change the position of your body drastically before this 'healing' (allowing for better blood-flow to the area)? Human body is remarkably good at recovering from injuries, doubly so from those of mild nature and unfortunately every single case like this eithe really didn't have any apparent wound in the first place (or even real pain beyond a vague sense of pressure of faint numbness/tingling) or the cause is always traceable back to other reasons known to be effective and faulty/selective memory of the event.
Not quite, you didn't respond to the fact that his claims are fundamentally untestable, which I critized with the entire 'We do not do tests" thing.
For it to be testable, he would have to be able to dictate the needs for this power (or spirit communication or aura recovery or whatever) to work and then be able to consistently show that he is either able to gain knowledge he would have no possible access (or even method of access to) to and no prior knowledge of, in naturalist sense. Or then either heal medically examined patients with noticeable improvement in the patents health that could not be attributed to naturalist reasons (such as natural healing over time, medication or traditional treatments such as physiotherapy).
But no single psychic, aura reader, alternative healer or spirit communicator has shown ability to do that. Most do not even try ("He is not open and receptive.", "The Moon is not in proper position", "The Flow of Chi is irreparably wrong here"), in my mind because they know the result will be condemning and those who have tried have been proven to be charlatans, without exceptions.
But that would simply mean we'd mistake the power of the spirits as the power of the psychic. We should still be able to see some kind of power at work or some kind of measurable effect from that power. But since we see no manifestations or effects of power from the psychic him/herself or any alternative, supernatural, source, this is kinda moot point you are making. You'd first have to be able to show there actually is an effect regardless of the actual claimed source.
I know im not going to change anyones mind, if i did i would have no repect for you however the thing was not missed, that was the empathy stuff and i thought you could surely see the deeper answers accociated with that (such as me doing logic tests,(which i am perticually good at)).
The reasons i beleave and the reasons you dont should be the things called into question.
I beleave because during my search i found nothing contradictory in the "TESTS" i have done. contrary to religion.
After all i am a follower of science.
And science tells us that something as to be disproved before it can be considered wrong.
PS: you would have to come to New Zealand and do tests yourself to understand, unless your just another reigious zealot waiting to burn him (and possibly me) at the stake.
The reasons i beleave and the reasons you dont should be the things called into question.
I beleave because during my search i found nothing contradictory in the "TESTS" i have done. contrary to religion.
After all i am a follower of science.
And science tells us that something as to be disproved before it can be considered wrong.
PS: you would have to come to New Zealand and do tests yourself to understand, unless your just another reigious zealot waiting to burn him (and possibly me) at the stake.
But if I go to a psychic and take whatever conclusion they came to to better myself, does it matter in the least if they're real or not? I mean, I don't like to be swindled, but a self-administered placebo can be quite helpful.SakSak said:
I know there are human electrical fields, but where would I find out more about 'em? Links?Starke said:
Not the answer you're hoping for, but off hand, I've no idea where to start digging. Texts on parapsychology are probably your best bet. After that, there's always Krillian (sp?) photography which picks up the bioelectric field itself, you might have some luck poking around after that.Erana said:
or if you're a cop in Deathnote you get a blue auragoatzilla8463 said:
Or you go into Emo Install in Blazblue, you get a black aura
I can't think of anything else RN... so I'll just leave you to that :]
The prefix, "Para" makes me uncomfortable...Starke said:
Are there any particular studies that are well within the accepted realm of science that I could see?
Ohh, and Kirilian photograms are Pretty! I love photograms; One of the best parts about being a photography TA was getting to make them in my spare time.
Also, out of curiosity, has anyone here even had their aura "read?"