Is Fighting Dead

[Switchblade1080]

Then allow me to answer the Thread title's question : NO!!

A lot of real fighting going on, the Earth is FULL OF IT!!

As for fighting "games", M.U.G.E.N. is forever alive and willing to be caught by anyone wanting to play an amalgam fighting game.

 

[Dream_Sequencer]

So... where's the disrespect? If they're keeping you at a distance, it sounds like they're doing well enough and you're not happy about it.

Argue this with most any somewhat serious people and they'll tell you it's called zoning. Unless the character can negate projectiles and rush at you (Jade - UMK3), they're doing something right. Because not only are they chipping your health, they're running down the clock which will cause you to do something risky and if they're on top of it, you'll get punished. It's a legitimate tactic, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's disrespectful/dishonorable. Get off your high horse and either find people who want to share the stick up your ass or don't play.

As said a thousand times before. This isn't fun. They are doing this so that way they can win. There is no stragety in doing the same thing over and over again. There is no skill either. And to me quite frankly, the Reptile acid trick is disrespectful because its like htting an enemy behind their back. There is no honor in beating the weak. If someone cannot fight back, they are weak period.

As said a thousand times before, this isn't how I play with my friends at home. We actually fight each other. They pound out there Jade combos and I pound out my combos. Hearts racing, anticipation, as each other's health chunks down low. Good timining, finishing X ray move.

Throwing fireballs or acid balls is not fighting. It isn't the way a fighting game should be played either. Its a cheap, disrespectful tactic.

 

[Switchblade1080]

And your fighting with a couple of people who fight dirty and use loathsome tactics just to hand your ass down. You say there's no strategy in doing the same thing over and over again just because you CAN'T think of something that helps you counter it. Besides, your NOT playing a realistic fighting game to begin with. What?? Do you EXPECT people online to play like your friends??

Your in the Internet, Internet has ZERO honor..deal with it...

 

[Caliostro]

As said a thousand times before. This isn't fun.

It's obviously fun for them, or they wouldn't do it. Sounds like "people aren't having fun the way I like to have fun therefore this is obviously stupid".

I haven't played MK9, but from what I've seen, and from previous MK games, projectile spam is stupid easy to beat, more so than in previous games even. Projectiles can be jumped over, are pretty damn visible and have relatively slow recovery times. This ensures that mindlessly spamming projectiles just earns your enemy a free "dial a combo".

Sounds more like you don't know how to deal with this tactic, and therefore the tactic is stupid and "dishonorable". Because you don't know how to fight it. Yet "Zoning" people with projectiles is a crucial part of most fighting games and good players.

That said, MK has always been "baby's first Street Fighter", so it has always been much more straight forward/basic in nature than the aforementioned.

 

[Togs]

Cant say this without flaming so Ill just go ahead and say it- stereotypical scrub mentality, people will always strive for the best tactics and its upto you to learn how to counter them.


Also try Marvel vs Capcom 3 or Street Fighter, they're more built around that type of play.

 

[Vrud]

Interpreted topic title to mean "With poor English but a heart of gold, I is fighting dead! THE LIVING DEAD!"

I'm disappointed now.

 

[mParadox]

As for fighting "games", M.U.G.E.N. is forever alive and willing to be caught by anyone wanting to play an amalgam fighting game.

Excellent point. MUGEN is the best fighting game engine I've seen.

Spoiler: Has anyone played King of Fighters?

Ah. Good time...

 

[Raddra]

I just found a bunch of people spamming projectiles or choosing a character that could teleport.

Might want to check out Spoony's thoughts on this. [http://spoonyexperiment.com/2011/05/04/vlog-5-3-11-mortal-kombat/] (TL;DW he agree's)

 

[370999]

I haven't played this game but usually people pick the strategy which gives them the highest victory to loss ratio. If that means spamming one attack then of course people will do tat, if that means fighting like a coward then they will do that. That's life, and will appear in all online games. People like winning.

So OP I would reccomend you paly more against friends then online if you want to see a more risk based ifghting style.

 

[Cypher10110]

I decided to play Mortal Kombat online and had a very long bout of disappointing battles.

...a bunch of people spamming projectiles or choosing a character that could teleport...

...I'm of the mind set there is [no] honor in beating the weak. Your opponent cannot move because you keep stunning them, your opponent cannot do anything stuck in the wall. Its basically attacking them when their back is turned...

...my opponents feel I am only worth attacking me when I cannot do anything...

Have we an online society that discourages loosing? Have we created an online society that encourages only winning? That loosing is a bad thing. You can learn a lot from your wins, but you can learn even more from your mistakes as well.

Because no one wants to fight with honor. You have to respect your opponent. Even if its just a game, the opponents you face are people. And you have to treat those people with respect.

A smart fighter not only wins, but excels at winning with ease. So they are neither praised for the wisdom, nor their courage.

I feel your pain dude. But the very nature of competition means you must use everything you have available to your advantage. You've gotta know what you're capable of as much as you know what your opponent is capable of.

Teleports and ranged are another layer on the central fight. It's "cheap" because it doesn't risk anything to do. It's just another move you need to find out how to counter/avoid.

Talking about honor and video-game competition is difficult. If it's within the game mechanics it will be used. You can't say "This weapon is cheap, so I won't use it." if you want to stay competitive. If it's any comfort the "cheap" tactic is never the best. It's usually the best for the minimum skill. So if you practice with a better tactic, you will surpass it.

In hand-to-hand combat, maiming your opponent or causing maximum pain with minimum effort could be considered "cheap". But if it is the safest way to win, then it will be used. Honor does not always come into it. If you respect your opponent, then you have the choice of how you fight. When it's about survival, everything else is secondary.

In a video-game there is no honor in the same way as real life. Using a cheap tactic to win a fight will not leave someone crippled when they return to their family. Their life will go on, unhindered, by their loss of some random match online.


TLDR;
If it's in the game it will get used. It's your choice if you want to use it. But if you want to win you'll have to tackle the problem one way or another. Know your enemy, know yourself.

 

[Cypher10110]

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[Marcilla]

Some people are just more concerned about winning then winning with skill.
So they resort to cheap tactics, because for them they joy is in winning not in playing well.
Its this kind of behavior that makes me avoid fighting games like the plague.

 

[Scars Unseen]

This is Mortal Kombat, it's not Dead Or Alive or Street Fighter. Mortal Kombat has never had combat like which you describe.

I disagre, completely.

Oh wow really? You disagree completely do you? Maybe you could be as gracious as to enlighten a lowly man such as myself with your infinite knowledge and wisdom and tell me why?

Mortal Kombat focuses on dealing heavy damage quickly and being accessible to new players, it's not a particularly deep fighting game and it relies more on the spectacle of the violence and gore than having complex fighting mechanics. I enjoy the Mortal Kombat series, but people shouldn't buy it if they want a serious challenging fighting game.

Eh, kind of. At least in the area that I played in back in the days before online multiplayer, there were two prevailing tactics in MK games. Special attack spam(lending credence to your point) and ridiculously difficult juggle combos from hell. Now I will grant you that this isn't a series that ever had a really complex counter system, and if that's what you're referring to, okay. Point conceded. But the only time that Mortal Kombat was fully about spectacle(that's just what got you in the door) was when you got a couple of button mashers that could only figure out the basic specials. Then again, that's true of pretty much any fighting game.

 

[Wierdguy]

Honor is flawed. For it to work you have to assume that every opponent fights fairly and if you do that you are probably the most naïve person imaginable. Everyone, anywhere at any time WILL use every single advantage to beat an enemy unless they personaly know that enemy in which case that bond might cause them to fight differently and more "honourable".

Seriously, believing in honor is shit when you are the only one doing so. That might suck yes, but be realisitc.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

I decided to play Mortal Kombat online and had a very long bout of disappointing battles. Maybe my vision of fighting has been clouded from the years of mixed martial arts that I had taken for years or maybe there is a problem, but people won't admit it. Is actually fighting in a fighting game dead? In Mortal Kombat 9 online, I just found a bunch of people spamming projectiles or choosing a character that could teleport. Or even worse was Noob Saibot folks who started the battle throwing ink people at me over and over again. I thought in a fighting game that you were suppose to fight with skill. Throwing ones combos at each other. Trying to counter each other's combos. This has also happened online in Tekken 6 and other forms of fighting games, where people so afraid of loosing just spam one technique. I'm of the mind set there is honor in beating the weak. Your opponent cannot move because you keep stunning them, your opponent cannot do anything stuck in the wall. Its basically attacking them when their back is turned. When I play this game with my friends, I play to fight against their combos. I want to fight with skill and I work my butt off learning these combos, which seems a bit of a waste when I can't use them because my opponents feel I am only worth attacking me when I cannot do anything.
Have we an online society that discourages loosing? Have we created an online society that encourages only winning? That loosing is a bad thing. You can learn a lot from your wins, but you can learn even more from your mistakes as well.
Isn't the fun of a fighting game, to use your combos, tactical skill?
Is the fear of loosing what creates these people who will do anything to make sure their opponent doesn't move?
I honestely, have been turned off by online game play now. Because no one wants to fight with honor. You have to respect your opponent. Even if its just a game, the opponents you face are people. And you have to treat those people with respect.

Here's the thing, unless the game is broken -which means it's a bad game and you shouldn't be playing it and if you are it doesn't reflect on the whole of gaming - there ALWAYS is a way to counter whatever it is that your foe repeatedly spams.



Mortal Kombat is NOT a serious fighting game, it's a casual gimmicky fighter for non-fans who are drunk and in need of a party game. You should not be expecting high level competition to be found in it. All it does is childish gore and over the top violence, it's not some golden martial arts tournament.



Try playing some Blazblue, it'll reinvigorate your spirits. Everyone online does combos in that game and all moves are instantly vulnerable if spammed with no thought.

 

[Random berk]

It seems to me that they are simply using an efficient tactic to complete the one objective in the game, which is to kill you. You might not like their way of doing that, but its a legitimate tactic and it works. Thats from someone who tends to avoid using ranged weapons except to try and throw an enemy off balance before closing in, or when seriously injured as a last resort.

If you think thats dishonourable, think of this: I was playing Red Dead Redemption online once, which about seven people all in one part of Mexico. There was one big gunfight going on, so I joined in, and shot the head off some level 30 guy. (I was level four at the time.) Understandably enough, he came back and killed me. I struggled with him for a while, but with better weapons and more practice, he killed me fourteen times in a row. I decided to give up and go find someting else to do. But every time I tried to leave, he shot me in the back. I would usually not even get to my donkey, and when I did I would ride flat out, only for him to chase me and shoot me in the back. I tried hiding, I tried everything to avoid him, but he kept killing me. Once, just as I got to my donkey, someone else killed him, meaning I managed to ride a good distance away, along the train tracks. As soon as he respawned, he completely ignored the guy who shot him, as well as the gunfight that was still going on, chased me all the way to America, and shot me in the back. After he harassed me for 20 minutes and killed me around 40 times, I left the server. At which point he gave my gamercard a bad review lowering my reputation from 5 stars to 3.5 stars. Now that is dishonourable.

 

[sheah1]

Haven't played Mortal Kombat's online just yet (damn you hackers!) but I think the douchiness in this game might be conditional, characters like Goro, Kintaro and the king of all awful Shoa Kahn can only be defeated with spamming projectiles and teleports, so maybe in this it's not all due to douches.

 

[S3Cs4uN 8]

I think he's one of those Gentlemen/House rules players. As I said in my previous post, he'd be laughed out of an arcade.

As said, I may be slightly bias to my years of mixed martial arts that I took.

However, at the same time whether internet or not, that is no excuse to be rude or disrespectful. Anonymity of the internet doesn't excuse you from etiquette.

yes it does

 

[Gudrests]

So... where's the disrespect? If they're keeping you at a distance, it sounds like they're doing well enough and you're not happy about it.

Argue this with most any somewhat serious people and they'll tell you it's called zoning. Unless the character can negate projectiles and rush at you (Jade - UMK3), they're doing something right. Because not only are they chipping your health, they're running down the clock which will cause you to do something risky and if they're on top of it, you'll get punished. It's a legitimate tactic, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's disrespectful/dishonorable. Get off your high horse and either find people who want to share the stick up your ass or don't play.

As said a thousand times before. This isn't fun. They are doing this so that way they can win. There is no stragety in doing the same thing over and over again. There is no skill either. And to me quite frankly, the Reptile acid trick is disrespectful because its like htting an enemy behind their back. There is no honor in beating the weak. If someone cannot fight back, they are weak period.

As said a thousand times before, this isn't how I play with my friends at home. We actually fight each other. They pound out there Jade combos and I pound out my combos. Hearts racing, anticipation, as each other's health chunks down low. Good timining, finishing X ray move.

Throwing fireballs or acid balls is not fighting. It isn't the way a fighting game should be played either. Its a cheap, disrespectful tactic.

That is fighting, that is a tactic. YES EVEN IN REAL LIFE, look at the military...look at civilization. the rules has become. "I am safe if he is far away and I can keep him there" also "all is fair in love and war". Learn to have fun winning against any opponent o enjoy the taste of defeat is all I can tell you if you complain that much about things being cheap. Or hell Learn to dodge it. All of thoes movies If someone does them that much can be dodged

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

I play Blaz Blue and use Hakumen, that makes me an anomaly because there were/are a lot of tier whores in that game. If I wasn't running into the countless Ragna's, the person would usually wait for me to choose and then pick Lambda-11... Hakumen's counter. People will do whatever makes them feel safest against an opponent; whether it be character balances, powerful moves with low risk or whatever.

In what way does Lambda counter Hakumen? You can cut half of her attacks and she has to take huge risks to get in while you're just sitting back mashing on your easy fast and strong sword attacks from the safety of being half a screen away.


Hakumen isn't the best in the game but he's high tier anyways, he's better than Ragna at least lol.