Is gaming dead for you?

[Vegosiux]

You stated that his attitude was "plain wrong".

Correct, I did say that. Note how that statement says nothing about his opinions.

(And note that you started off with the accusation that I made a statement about his opinions...)

There was no reason for you to include a statement like that, and yet you did anyway.

Actually...there was a reason for me to include a statement like that. Namely, the assumption that was made - that not seeing today's gaming scene as "best it has ever been" is just nostaliga talking - is an incorrect assumpion.

If you don't see that as a reason, well, I can't do much about that, can I.

And the point of an extension is that it's indirectly implied without the person stating so. It's how passive-aggressive people on the internet like to argue.

Let me guess this straight. It was all an assumption on your part? "Passive-aggressive people on the internet like to argue this way, so I'll just assume this one is doing it too."

Well, I suppose that clears up a few things. But just for further reference, I don't really like it if someone assumes that I'm implying something that I'm not. Please stop doing that.

So let me sum up my post.

1) I don't like it when preferring previous generations of gaming gets handwaved with "Eh, nostalgia"

2) I don't think the gaming scene at this point is "the best it's ever been" (and half of my post is why I don't think so)

3) Yes, it's my opinion and not a universal truth. Never said otherwise, so I don't see why you're getting on my case or what you're trying to accomplish here.

 

[shrekfan246]

Let me guess this straight. It was all an assumption on your part? "Passive-aggressive people on the internet like to argue this way, so I'll just assume this one is doing it too."

Well, I suppose that clears up a few things. But just for further reference, I don't really like it if someone assumes that I'm implying something that I'm not. Please stop doing that.

Oh, look at you, doing exactly what you're telling me not to do.

So let me sum up my post.

1) I don't like it when preferring previous generations of gaming gets handwaved with "Eh, nostalgia"

2) I don't think the gaming scene at this point is "the best it's ever been" (and half of my post is why I don't think so)

3) Yes, it's my opinion and not a universal truth. Never said otherwise, so I don't see why you're getting on my case or what you're trying to accomplish here.

Hey, look, using those 3 points instead of what you actually opened with in this thread is much less needlessly inflammatory. I guess I got my point across after all.

I'm fine with you feeling that way. I'm not fine with you attacking the attitude another person holds because you don't agree with them. Just because you don't feel gaming is "the best it's ever been" doesn't mean hazabaza is wrong for feeling that way. You cannot factually prove him wrong (just as he cannot factually prove himself right), so your accusation itself is a fallacy.

EDIT: And if your "plain wrong" comment was about the nostalgia bit and not about how he feels gaming is "the best it's ever been", you probably should have clarified that.

 

[Scrustle]

No, to say gaming is dead is really silly hyperbole. Games are still being made and are doing fine financially as an industry. Therefore they are still alive. There's more discussion about the issues in video games now because video games are far more mainstream than they used to be. That's all.

 

[Kennah]

No, to say gaming is dead is really silly hyperbole. Games are still being made and are doing fine financially as an industry. Therefore they are still alive. There's more discussion about the issues in video games now because video games are far more mainstream than they used to be. That's all.

True, but because of its growth I think the developers are in such a rush to release a title now they are willing to let it pass without making sure there are no major glitches or bugs. Or, it could probably be because the development team is understaffed. Either way, I just want the industries to make sure a game is at least 95% glitch free before sending it out.I don't care how many years it takes for it to come out so long as they have worked out every detail before its release.

 

[Thoric485]

Nah, certain publishers, studios and franchises are dead to me, but gaming itself is in really good shape.

Like, things are looking up for the MMO genre for the first time in 8 years, with sandbox elements and full loot PvP coming back into fashion. On the cRPG front we have Age of Decadence, Dead State, Wasteland 2, Shadowrun Returns and Cyberpunk, adventure games are going strong with the Walking Dead episodes, the Double Fine Adventure, The Cave, Lilly Looking Through and whatever they're up to in Germany, there's a great looking XCOM game by Firaxis coming up, and we're just a few months away from the release of a new Arkane first person sworder.

Could be a lot worse.

 

[TrevHead]

I've been a PC gamer for since HL1 and if you asked me 3 years ago if I thought gaming was dead I would have said yes.

Then I stopped feeling sorry for myself and started looking elsewhere other than PC AAAs. I got into retrogaming, emulation, arcade gaming, indies, doujin and freeware. Then last year I bought a x360 and started enjoying all great exclusives, the Japanese action games and XBLA games.

I will say that niche AAAs and B games have been really suffering on consoles this past gen, with many Japanese games moving to handhelds, however imo it's up to the consumer to do their homework and support their favorite developers as there ARE still good games been made.

 

[FalloutJack]

If gaming was dead for me, why the hell would I be here?

 

[scorptatious]

In some ways, gaming is only getting better.

 

[dimensional]

Nah gamings not dead that being said for me personally I am going through a winding down phase where I dont really play many games as I would rather do other things, its happened a few times before. Then usually what happens is a few games come along and I play them to death, I am expecting Persona 4 Arena and DOA 5 to do that this time but we will see.

For me gamings still very much alive and has been healthy since the NES was released.

 

[ChildishLegacy]

It is if you focus on games you don't like, that's what people seem to do round here, I don't know why people are obsessed with complaining about AAA games when they can just fucking ignore them.

With the amount of games that they release each year, there is a HUGE chance of there being a game in that you will just plain love and a huge chance that there will be an objectively better spiritual successor to a game you used to love. You're just not looking hard enough if you think gaming is dying, because it isn't. Maybe all of the wrong games are getting popular in your eyes, but that's not hampering all of the other games that you could enjoy.

All of these threads could by summarized by saying "I don't like AAA games", which is fine, but we really don't need to hear more of the same.

 

[Laurents van Cauwenberghe]

as totalbiscuit said , gaming is maturing and with that come changes and people start accepting those kind of topics (in this case rape)

 

[Palademon]

Yes, gaming is dead for me. That is why I use this website, so I can keep in touch with it.

 

[Stormz]

I've certainly stopped buying a lot of newer games because of the influx of DLC milking and DRM, but it's not dead to me and never will be. There are still some devs that care about their customers and when/if they die I'll always have older games to play.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

Gaming is so dead to me I bought Alan Wake in the steam summer sale and played three hours of it this morning! It's corpse has disintegrated it's so dead.

 

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

Gaming is ok, sure there are some cancerous growths that could pose a problem but it's still chugging along.

 

[CityofTreez]

Gaming has never been better for me.

 

[Naeras]

What is going on with the current generation of video games? Sure, industries such as Sony and Microsoft have had their blunders in the past, but things seemed to have just spiraled out of control.

Every argument I hear now is about violence, sexism, and other forms of brutality, and while these arguments have always existed it does not excuse the current growth in the past couple of years. Take for example the reboot of the Tomb Raider franchise. Now, I've never really been a fan of the series but I do find the current comments about it to be incredibly irritating. First the games were too sexist. She was always the busty brunette treasure hunter with guns poised for combat. Now they're saying she's a victim, a shell of her former self and a punching bag for men. I've asked a few women on the subject of old image versus new, and a great deal of them didn't know what I was talking about, and the few that did either cared less or thought it was a sexist image.

The reason people complain nowadays is because gaming is evolving and people actually care and want more from their games than "big tits shoot terrorist power fantasy gunwank YEAAAAH". This is a good thing. Trying to do that 10 years ago wasn't as much of a problem, but it is now, because consumers demand better products. These aren't "blunders" as much as it is gaming growing up.
And while some people don't, well, of course not everybody care.

I was in the category of "I could care less," and you know why? Because it's a VIDEO GAME!!! You play them for entertainment and nothing more.

Just like I'd watch a movie for entertainment, or read a book. However, I'd still rather read 1984 than Twilight, and I'd rather watch Inception than Transformers: Revenge of Michael Bay gunwank on teh moonz0rz AMERICA FUCK YEAH. Why? Because they're thought-provoking and interesting works with a lot of thought put into them, while still being functional in what unique features their medium provides. It's for the same reasons I'd rather play Spec Ops: The Line than Kane and Lynch.

But it's not only that. Games are being released in less that satisfactory condition. A lot of them are in poor quality, have tons of bugs and glitches, and this is quickly becoming the norm.

Things aren't worse now than they were before, sorry. Also, thank god for patches.

Ugh, and don't even get me started on storyline and multiplayer.

Video games overall have better writing now than ever before, and they often integrate it far better with mechanics than it did ten years ago.
There are good multiplayer games around as well, although I'm not gonna name CoD and its knock-offs as one of those.

So I have to ask. Has gaming died for you or what?

Not really. There's still a lot of trash around, but overall games are evolving for the better, and I can't wait to see how it's going to go in the future.

 

[Lt._nefarious]

I think gaming is... Well not better so much as changing... Sure violence has become somewhat more graphic in the mainstream and dark and edgy (or grey and boring depending on how you view it) is in and colourful and camp (or dizzying and stupid) is less seen but in a way these changes are for the best and... Ugh, I really don't have the right words... It's not dead it's just different and whether that is good or bad is up to your personal tastes, It's definitely not "dead" though.

As for Tomb Raider always having been sexist I beg to differ because Tomb Raider taught that it doesn't matter what gender you are because with enough exercise and practice we can all kick ass and look good doing it...

 

[Gennadios]

Not gaming, but AAA gaming definitely. My last few game "purchases" were Kicksterters and GOG stuff from the 90's, don't see myself being particularly interested in AAA gaming for quite a while.

 

[DanielBrown]

Nope. I distance a bit from it though since I have to focus on real life, so I don't really buy new games at the moment.

However, I give in to temptation a bit too often still.