Is it bad to be negative sometimes?

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ThePurpleStuff

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I don't have a very high self esteem when it comes to certain things about me. Like my talents in 3D modeling, or my arts and crafts skills. Also things about me personally but, won't get into that. I don't give mindless praise, nor praise myself when I know it's not worth that. Yet I'm also told I should think higher of myself, but I'm afraid it will just inflate my ego and turn me into someone I'd hate.

An Example:
I'm a big text roleplayer. I love to roleplay and make new friends in such communities who are into the same things I am. But I also don't think I'm that great of a writer. Even though I'm always contradicted and told that I'm a wonderful writer, creative, other positive words. I still think I'm mediocre at best.

Is it wrong for me to think my talents are nothing but average and positive comments aren't all honest? Is my mentality that if I am negative about something, it will make the actual, trusted praise that much stronger?

Am I alone in this as well? Do you have similar feelings and thoughts that I do about your own talents? Do you think positivity is falsely given out to people who clearly don't deserve it? Share them here and discuss.
 

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Well as an example, I definitely have some negative feelings about my clarinet playing but I've turned that negative energy into practicing and, pardon the cheese, becoming the best clarinetist I can be. It's an inevitability I think with anything you do, to stop and consider whether you're actually any good. As long as you don't wallow in self-loathing and continue to enjoy whatever it is you do, I think it's okay.
 
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Everyone has their own little niggles, things they overthink or are neurotic about. Anyone who doesn't is either lying or lives a very, very sheltered life.

It's perfectly healthy to doubt your own abilities from time to time, it's a sign of modesty, god knows people need to be a little more humble in this day and age.

Nothing niggles at me more than a saccharine overabundance of positivity, I immediately distrust it.

"Come on guys! I know we can make this a better place if we just try!"

Yeah, no, fuck off, let me despise you in peace.

The key is to not let it rule your life, take the bad with the good and try to make something better out of it.

You can be a positive person without making everyone around you vomit. I consider myself a generally positive person, but that doesn't mean I won't tell you to fuck off if you're annoying me, and I honestly couldn't give less of a toss about your problems if I don't know you.

That's not to mean I won't listen and try to offer advice, I just won't lose any sleep over it unless I actually know and like you.
 

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In regards to what you talk about in your OP, I think there's a difference between negativity and constructive criticism. Take for example a YouTube video, a comment saying 'this video sucks!' may perfectly express the viewer's feelings but it won't help the creator improve, as he has no idea why his video sucks. On the other hand, a comment saying 'the lighting and editing were poor, video went on far too long' at-least gives the creator the chance to put right those errors in his next video.

In a more general sense, negativity is a tool that can be useful but only in the right occasions. For example, I'm sure most of us would agree that negativity against murder is well deserved. Equally, there's nothing wrong with being honest and admitting you didn't enjoy a particular video game or other media. Too much negativity however, harbouring grudges about things that don't affect you, leads to the toxic atmosphere which you see on YouTube, with people attacking rival fandoms, countries etc for the sake of doing so. Getting the balance right is key.
 

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I'm afraid it is bad to be negative; people will switch off or think less of you. This is why it is important to have someone in your life you can be genuine with; i.e. someone who feels negative about the same sort of things you feel negative about.

It is possible, however, to be down on something but it in an upbeat way through passive aggressive techniquies. It still bores, annoys and depresses people but there's less chance they will associate the mindset with you and will instead associate it with the thing you're denigrating. Maybe it is best not to be a twat though and just face up to the reality that you have opinions that others may disagree with and those people should go fuck themselves, but that may constitute immaturity?
 

mistahzig1

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Always expect the worst in things and to yourself. That way you'll be pleasently surprised at every turn ;o)
 

Johnny Impact

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There is a difference between being negative and being realistic.
I paint Warmachine models. My friends and family tell me I am an awesome painter. I am not awesome, not even close. What I really am is adequate, but the relevant point is I am a much better painter than my friends and family. As they don't paint, this is only to be expected. I look at paint jobs far beyond my skill level and marvel at the incredible ability of the artists. My friends and family are doing the same thing when they look at my models. Since they don't paint, however, their skill level is zero. Any paint job above zero skill is therefore unbelievably good in their eyes, and their compliments are thereby rendered somewhat suspect. It is equivalent to being complimented on your driving skills by a person who has never operated a motor vehicle simply because you got to the grocery store and back.

Does this mean I suck as a painter? No, it does not. I know my own ability level and it is certainly passable, my best pieces might rate as high as 7 on the Gallery http://www.coolminiornot.com/browse.

Does it make all compliments worthless? No, it does not. People are doing their best to encourage me and that is a good thing. People don't have to understand what you're doing to wish you success at doing it.

I don't stop painting just because I produce less-than-perfect work. That is exactly the reason NOT to stop.

Brutal honesty? Odds are you are a mediocre writer. There is an ocean of printed words out there and most written works are, by definition, average. Without reading any of your material, I'd have to guess it is passable but unspectacular.

This does NOT, however, mean you have no skill, or that you should stop practicing. Writing even an average story is something the vast majority of people can't do. I certainly can't. I'll go you one better: writing even an average story is something the vast majority of people will never bother to make an honest attempt at.

You're doing more than millions of people will ever do. Ask yourself this: Does it have to be a masterpiece?
 

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ThePurpleStuff said:
Too many times, I see people of decent worth sell themselves short while I proclaim that I am good and people agree. Sometimes, you gotta believe - after some time, at least - that you have the skills.
 

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ThePurpleStuff said:
Is it wrong for me to think my talents are nothing but average and positive comments aren't all honest?
Only if you're wrong about being average. Hopefully it means you're able to look at your work objectively, but in that case you'd also need to be able to recognize when you're doing well. I do pixel art for a living, and for the first like eight years everything I did sucked and I knew it, but every now and then these days I'll make something and go "damn that's sexy" and then go right back to making something that's complete shit.

But yeah, never trust friends/family on judging your work. If you really want to know, get some objective critique from people who are actually experienced. I can show some of my art to a friend and they'll think I'm a god, then show it to some professional friends and get torn apart. Which, coincidentally, is the only (or at the least the best) way to improve.
 

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ThePurpleStuff said:
Is it wrong for me to think my talents are nothing but average and positive comments aren't all honest? Is my mentality that if I am negative about something, it will make the actual, trusted praise that much stronger?
It isn't particularly effective in my experience. Perspective is always the most important thing when judging the quality of something you do. For example, I'm a pretty good fencer and my rating suggests I'm well above average (C 2013 in foil) but compared to your average Olympic fencer I'm only marginally more skilled than a person just off the street. Comparing yourself against the best of the best in this case is only useful if your goal is to be the best and even then it's a fool's errand. The only comparison that matters is against yourself so next time, ask yourself this question: Do you write better today than you did yesterday? Looking at your desired end goal and comparing it to your current state is generally foolish in most cases as it makes any task seem insurmountable.
 

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MinionJoe said:
"Moderation in all things."

It's bad to be negative all the time.

Just as it's bad to be positive all the time.
Exactly, for myself I tend to keep my negativity to myself as it doesn't help me accomplish anything. As for feeling positive and such; just take it in steps.
 

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No, it's not bad to be negative. It's how you bring it across that makes the difference. Saying "everything's gonna suck anyway" or sulking about how you suck doesn't help anybody and just gets everyone down. But saying "Well this isn't going to be a masterpiece, but if we do this..." will give it a more positive edge.
 

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Maybe; but I can't say that it isn't good to be double negative.
 

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I suppose you have to be negative sometimes, though i'm usually the most positive person in the room at any given moment. I can find a silver lining out of any negative situation, it's a knack of mine. Funny trait for someone with such low self confidence to have I would imagine and I don't exactly know why but i'm always looking for a comedic spin on whatever I or someone else is doing. Find one post i've made on this site where I haven't at least included a small jab at humour. It's why I can't post on those pesky -ism threads, someone takes my joke seriously and shits the bed over it every time.

I can't take praise of any sort for some reason. I seriously don't know how to react to it. In fact the deciding factor on getting out of working in nursing was when a patient told me how grateful he was and I felt literally nothing. I had the thought I should have been motivated by his thanks and use that to deal with the difficult job but i'm not that kind of person.
 

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ThePurpleStuff said:
Even though I'm always contradicted and told that I'm a wonderful writer, creative, other positive words. I still think I'm mediocre at best.
Pretty much everyone who's read the stuff I've written has enjoyed it, and I still have trouble with any sort of confidence in either my writing or anything similar. Yeah, it's a bad thing. I've sort of circumvented it in my head by telling myself I don't care so much as long as I enjoy doing it.

The only problem I have as such is attempting to get published, because it's still hard to sell a product when you have trouble pitching it as "good." Or maybe I do suck, but again, I don't care. Either way, it can be hard to retrain your thinking.
 

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I'm a negative person. My wit is drier than the trees of siberia, my optimism as existent as something poetic or something.

I don't think it's bad to be negative. Not about needing self-improvement (which, really, is a good thing. You can never be as good as you're ever going to get at something. That's simply a fact) or just in general.
 

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Is it bad to be negative sometimes?
Absolutely not. Ancient wisdom from wise Sage fortune cookie says "Discontent is the first step of progress of any man or nation" (LOL never knew Oscar Wilde made fortune cookies ;) )

Negativity is perhaps one of the most vital (although misused and/or neglected) outlooks. Being able to see where things are wrong, or where things can be improved puts one closer to such improvement. In fact, negativity is practically built into the universe. Mathematics is an expression of negativity in practicality in that if there is no problem there is no reason to find a solution. It is what fuels ambition and the drive for us to go higher, do better, move faster, be stronger. It is what can push us to go beyond what we know because we are unsatisfied with what we know. Imagine a world where people remained satisfied that if they suffered an injury that they would likely die and chose to harness that discontent into something constructive and began the first steps into medicine.

Now, as it relates to this specific instance, the psychologist in me knows that while negativity is important, Negativity that is not properly harnessed, is useless. The value of negativity, much like many things, is directly related to its application. That application comes in two fundamental forms. Negativity that is constructive, such as the "fuel of discontent" mentioned, and the much more common form of negativity that is destructive as see when turned inward and left to fester. Destructive negativity rarely if ever serves a beneficial purpose. However destructive negativity is both more common and easier to happen. Despite such division negativity is really one singular perspective. The division is simply what it becomes in our presence and manipulation.

It is easy, through lack of contextual perspective, neglect, doubt, etc for negativity to move away from being productive and towards being destructive. In this cited case what you have here is negativity that is destructive because purposely looking at ones self in such negative context that serves no practical or beneficial end and is left to being negative for the sake of being negativity in fact erodes self worth. It is a common destruction. When someone views their being and dismissive of the traits/skills/exp that they have and negatively rationalizes that "my abilities are not really all that special" it only leads to a destructive end. While ones individual skills might not be the singularly most impressive example of an individual skill does not mean that the skill is not a useful trait. There is where the problem begins to root itself.

Very few people in this world or in history are such high examples of one specific trait or ability. While others might be better in one skill, often there will be many others who wish they had your personal level of ability. You cannot judge a persons merit on one specific thing. We are defined by the sum of our various different abilities and skills, often as much in how those traits interact/rely on other traits just as much as any individual trait. So when one looks at themselves as just a collective of various individual skills, traits, abilities, experiences, ect instead of the sum of all of those parts it becomes far too easy to devalue ones self worth simply because nothing stands out as pure excellence. This leads into destructive negativity in large part due to societal conditioning.

For absolutely no logical or beneficial reason we as a species tend to ascribe self worth related to being "the very best". Consider it for lack of a better term, Pokemon philosophy. We desire to be "the very best" in things. So the closer we are to that impractical desire, the greater our sense of satisfaction and self worth becomes. However that is a failing, that in fact is in direct opposition to humanity and our nature.

We are all unique with varying strengths and weaknesses. We are also humans. We are a social species for a reason. We are on a core psychological level designed to work together. The strengths of one ideally matched to fill in for the weaknesses of others so that when we work in unison we can accomplish feats far greater than what we could alone, or honestly what even the greatest examples of excellence would be able to on their own.

So despite being biologically hard wired to accentuate each other we end up ascribing entirely too much self worth to what we as individuals are. Understandably there are many who's sense of self worth is greater than others, of which some are completely unjustified in such an assessment. When we see often comically over inflated egos it makes us self conscious of our own because most people would not purposely wish to look so foolish. So instead of trying to avoid unjustly inflated ego and self worth, it becomes all too common to underestimate self worth. That negativity however creates an often times false perception that if nothing is truly outstanding based on individual assessment, then in that minds eye it means the total package is in no way exceptional. Choosing to devalue self worth rather than a more appropriate "total package" assessment. This negativity is a destructive self assessment that often is illogical and rarely accurate but because the negativity is not utilized in a constructive manner, it is free to wreak havoc when allowed to meander unchecked.

Now, as stated before, The value of negativity, much like many things, is directly related to its application. So even when negativity has been allowed destructive freedom to manifest in such counter productive ways, It is in no way locked into a perpetually destructive application. Again, discontent is the first step of progress. So when one has become fixated into an irrationally negative self perspective, that negativity can in fact become useful. If one feels, Even if incorrectly, that they are "nothing special" such negativity can be used constructively to self assess deficiencies. Once one is able to identify "the problem" and unsatisfied with remaining as "nothing special" that dissatisfaction can foster goals and spur on individual growth to overcome such deficiencies and effectively increase skills/abilities so that a state of reasonable and acceptable self worth can be attained.



So is it bad to be negative? Absolutely not. However, the important thing with negativity and really any perspective/outlook is to control and wield it to a constructive end instead of allowing it to devalue and degrade, even if only in a false self perception where in the negativity controls you.