I consider the cat that lives with me as a friend. Everytime he leaves the flat he always comes back, so he can't hate it here.
JoJo said:What is your idea of domestication? Because I never hit or scold my dog for not understanding English, that would be insane; not to mention pretty much illegal.You can't understand more than a word or two of their language and most of it's simply unlearnable by human ears for various reasons, yet they scold or hit you whenever you do something against their arbitrary rules which to you make no sense.
Also, what everyone else has said. Animals simply do not reason the same way we do. If we reasoned the same as dogs, we'd all be naked and would constantly trying to lick our crotch.
idarkphoenixi said:I think this quote from a TV Show I watch makes a good point on this topic:
Sharpe: What've you got there Harper?
Harper: Just a wee wild bird.
Sharpe: Won't it fly away?
Harper: No. It trusts me.
Sharpe: But you're gonna put it in a cage.
Harper: It knows it'll get a few crumbs in a cage.
Sharpe: I thought wild things like their freedom.
Harper: Freedom to starve is no freedom.
Should I not be?Dangit2019 said:Also, what everyone else has said. Animals simply do not reason the same way we do. If we reasoned the same as dogs, we'd all be naked and would constantly trying to lick our crotch.
While I agree with what you're saying, hypothetically speaking, assuming the existence of a hyper-advanced alien race that wishes to keep humans as pets, we'd be seen as too stupid to know that we're pets, too.Daystar Clarion said:I mean this in the nicest way possible.
Dogs, cats and other pets are too stupid to know that they're pets.
Also, my dog seems very happy with her life.
Better food than in the wild, better healthcare than in the wild, better beds than in the wild.
The wild seems kind of lame
To be honest, the first point was in jest (I had a Darwin's Awards book beside me at the time).ToastiestZombie said:I agree with everything but that first point. Humans, even the most stupid ones are much more clever than any animal. But really, the dumb parts of dogs and cats are part of their charm. They don't know any better, whereas if a human is dumb they are probably that because they didn't pay attention in school. Also, the loyalty of dogs is amazing, it's the reason so many homeless people have dogs instead of a friend to keep them company during the cold days and nights. A human would judge them, or be condescending to them, or just ignore them completely. Whereas a dog, with the proper care will give you the most unconditional love possible.
So OP, until you've actually owned a pet and felt the amount of love you have for them you can say NOTHING about it being immoral. Sure, if a pet owner beats their pet and leaves it alone in the dark then yeah, they're immoral twatbags who should be put in jail. But if you actually care for a dog, why should it be immoral?
It is morally okay to keep animals as pets.JoJo said:is it really morally okay to keep animals as pets or do animals deserve the right to be free?
Proper care means proper exposure to the outdoors/exercise and giving your animal what they need to be content (fulfillment). If you're treating the animal properly they do not act out/behave inappropriately (assuming you've trained them to know what is appropriate). For example if a Husky does not get enough exercise they tend to start acting out regardless of how well trained they are. There is direct evidence that animals act out if they are not receiving proper care, and the fact that when an animal does receive proper care they do not exhibit this behavior suggests that they are capable of expressing discontent with conditions.ElPatron said:Now think about what humans consider fulfilling in their lives. Yeah, *that* staple of the boring 9 to 5 job you don't like keeps you from being homeless, but it's generally regarded as less fulfilling.Navvan said:B) This assumes that the animals lead a life worse or less fulfilling than they would on their own. This is not the case assuming proper care.
As an animal perhaps I would enjoy nature a lot more despite having to work harder for my food.
I'm not against pets, I just read your post and had to disagree. Animals have all reasons to fill unfulfilled assuming they have ever experienced nature.
That's what you think as a human. Let's face it, all animal species have done exactly the same thing. The ancestors of the modern rodents shared their space with effing dinosaurs!Witty Name Here said:surrounded by thousands of other creatures bigger them in and in a constant state of paranoia