Is New Vegas drastically better than Fallout 3?
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I'm one of those of who thought Fallout 3 was merely ok, but rates Fallout New Vegas as their game of the year.
The game still uses that ol engine, along with the flawed(but vastly balanced and improved this around)FPSRPG combat, so at least on the surface it remains a similar experience.
However to a discerning gamer, these games are designed very differently. Fallout 3, like Bethesda's other recent games, gives emphasis on exploration with the expense of both narrative and in depth RPG elements. If you like wandering the wastelands aimlessly in search of coves of treasure and dungeons full of baddies to splatter, then Fallout 3 is your game. Its a very flawed game from both a quest, writing(honestly a lot of the dialogue is laughably bad), and world-building perspective but its good at what it excels in.
Fallout: New Vegas represents in many ways a return to form in spirit of the original games. The game is far more focused on cities/towns and is much more quest/narrative oriented. While the game still encourages explorations, most locations have a specific purpose within the overall conflict. You learn about the plights and ideologies of the various factions at work in the wasteland, and the complex power dynamics involved. Skill placement and S.P.E.C.I.A.L are far more important this time around, because they usually influence how you approach questlines. You also have skill check dialogues that don't make you cringe, and make you feel ashamed for purchasing the game. Obsidian's strength is writing, and it shows in this game.
I vastly prefer New Vegas because its what I want in RPGs. While loot is cool and all, having a sophisticated well written RPG is what I need.
The game still uses that ol engine, along with the flawed(but vastly balanced and improved this around)FPSRPG combat, so at least on the surface it remains a similar experience.
However to a discerning gamer, these games are designed very differently. Fallout 3, like Bethesda's other recent games, gives emphasis on exploration with the expense of both narrative and in depth RPG elements. If you like wandering the wastelands aimlessly in search of coves of treasure and dungeons full of baddies to splatter, then Fallout 3 is your game. Its a very flawed game from both a quest, writing(honestly a lot of the dialogue is laughably bad), and world-building perspective but its good at what it excels in.
Fallout: New Vegas represents in many ways a return to form in spirit of the original games. The game is far more focused on cities/towns and is much more quest/narrative oriented. While the game still encourages explorations, most locations have a specific purpose within the overall conflict. You learn about the plights and ideologies of the various factions at work in the wasteland, and the complex power dynamics involved. Skill placement and S.P.E.C.I.A.L are far more important this time around, because they usually influence how you approach questlines. You also have skill check dialogues that don't make you cringe, and make you feel ashamed for purchasing the game. Obsidian's strength is writing, and it shows in this game.
I vastly prefer New Vegas because its what I want in RPGs. While loot is cool and all, having a sophisticated well written RPG is what I need.
You won't like fallout 3 new vegas if you didn't enjoy the first one.ReservoirAngel said:
Not really, "find your dad" on the first one, new vegas is find some guy who shot you. Infact, I find new vegas's mini story quests to be alot more involved. The coolest thing about the first one was the whole vault idea at the start of the game, that was awesome.saruman31 said:
Fallout New Vegas is "improved" over Fallout 3, but there is not too much of a difference between the two in terms of gameplay. Setting-wise, New Vegas is probably superior, but that is all subjective. I guess... well if you didn't like Fallout 3, you might want to avoid this game. New Vegas is fun, but if you didn't like the playstyle of Fallout 3, you probably won't enjoy this game much either. :/
I'm not sure about "drastically better", but it's pretty damn good. It definitely feels... Different, I suppose. Maybe that's just the effect of the game area being much more civilized. At any rate it's a fine game; worth buying if, in your case, you got some spare cash.
Forgetting bugs the game mechanics are more refined
But the story is crappy, and with few exceptions (the deputy from primm comes to mind) voice acting is so bad it hurt my feelings
And like other bethesda games since morrowind if you want to play it on the PC you need mods to make it bearable
Also the problem with a desert wasteland....how do you even know there was a war? Everything in the desert is sparse and gloomy anyway! The desert setting was fine in f1 and 2 because you could skip the traveling but in a first person game I want to look at cool stuff while I slog from town to town, not repeating boulders and cacti.
On a technical note, my comp ran f3 perfectly 1920x1080 with nearly max settings. In new vegas I have to turn everything except actor distance down to minimum and even then framerate drops when there are more than 3 mobs on the screen.
It has a few good points, deathclaws are properly scary, larger variety of weapons compared to f3, specialized ammo and reloading adds gameplay breadth but also inventory management headaches.
Hardcore mode is awesome but again you need mods to make it work, like the ability to save and refill water bottles at any clean or even dirty source.
some scripts are horribly broken to the point where you need to go to the console and reset mobs to continue some quests
did I mention the story sucked? so yeah, wait a year on this one, the bugs might be fixed and there will certainly be some crappy dlc side quests thrown in to justify not lowering the price
But the story is crappy, and with few exceptions (the deputy from primm comes to mind) voice acting is so bad it hurt my feelings
And like other bethesda games since morrowind if you want to play it on the PC you need mods to make it bearable
Also the problem with a desert wasteland....how do you even know there was a war? Everything in the desert is sparse and gloomy anyway! The desert setting was fine in f1 and 2 because you could skip the traveling but in a first person game I want to look at cool stuff while I slog from town to town, not repeating boulders and cacti.
On a technical note, my comp ran f3 perfectly 1920x1080 with nearly max settings. In new vegas I have to turn everything except actor distance down to minimum and even then framerate drops when there are more than 3 mobs on the screen.
It has a few good points, deathclaws are properly scary, larger variety of weapons compared to f3, specialized ammo and reloading adds gameplay breadth but also inventory management headaches.
Hardcore mode is awesome but again you need mods to make it work, like the ability to save and refill water bottles at any clean or even dirty source.
some scripts are horribly broken to the point where you need to go to the console and reset mobs to continue some quests
did I mention the story sucked? so yeah, wait a year on this one, the bugs might be fixed and there will certainly be some crappy dlc side quests thrown in to justify not lowering the price
no. they are too similar.ReservoirAngel said:
also, I suspect your fondness for the console versions correlates strongly to your feelings for the game.
I assert that people who find that they prefer games on the PC, are more likely to enjoy fallout 3/NV
+you can fix bugs with console
+modding community (and mods themselves)
Yeah I think I played through FO3 three times and bought all the DLC. And New Vegas doesn't feel nearly as atmospheric as Fallout 3. (I'm not sure if thats it though.) If you didn't like Fallout 3 then dont get New Vegas.Jaranja said:
Off topic:I wish I could hit my brothers with a baseball bat. Was it wood or aluminum?
...and yet its still better to buy the PC version, for its open to the modding community, who will no doubt release unofficial patches that will shame Obsidians debugging skills. As well as having access to the console(~)acosn said:
In nearly all things, "better" or "worse" is a wholly subjective judgment. "Different and in what way" is a more enlightened way of looking at it.
Fallout: New Vegas plays mostly like Fallout 3, albeit with some new factors such as hardcore mode and damage resistance. However, though it plays mostly the same, it does have a considerably different feel to the game world: less gray and desolate, more dusty and cowboyish - although still post-apocalyptic.
New Vegas is mostly a good pick if you're not so much sick of Fallout 3 as you are sick of seeing the same old sights, because New Vegas is basically a whole new continent to explore.
Fallout: New Vegas plays mostly like Fallout 3, albeit with some new factors such as hardcore mode and damage resistance. However, though it plays mostly the same, it does have a considerably different feel to the game world: less gray and desolate, more dusty and cowboyish - although still post-apocalyptic.
New Vegas is mostly a good pick if you're not so much sick of Fallout 3 as you are sick of seeing the same old sights, because New Vegas is basically a whole new continent to explore.
I agree with most of this. But you need to like exploring. If you just focus on the main plot then it is still pretty short depending on how you go about it. Mind you that would be difficult without the hindsight of having played through the game at least once.Xzi said:
Second time I played it, just to see if it could be done. I played through the main plot without improving any combat skills and I finished it in under 5 hours.
The writing is a major improvement in my opinion.
It isn?t drastically different but it is different.New Vegas does story telling better and the faction system is interesting. Things also aren?t as disconnected from each other as they are in 3.
There?s a possibility you may like it but it might be best for it to drop in price or go on sale before you buy it.
There?s a possibility you may like it but it might be best for it to drop in price or go on sale before you buy it.
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Well, that's my perk list for the next character sorted.
