Is Rap Music Really Music?

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DiMono

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C95J said:
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't real music...

Have you actually listened to rap or are you just going purely on what stupid stereotypes say?
Oh how I love when someone reads the first post in a thread and goes no further. Warms the cockles of my heart. I didn't say I didn't like it. I said we could do without people rapping about crime and whores. I'd like to direct you to post 75 on page 3 of this thread, where I lay all this out.
 

ProfessorLayton

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"Music - the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity."

It's music by definition, whether you like it or not. And not only is it music, it's art.

silasbufu said:
It would seem obvious for any rap fan to tell you right now that "you have had a limited experience with rap music, so you don't know what you're talking about", and as much as I would like to be original in this post, I can't find a better answer. You don't know what you're talking about, and it's obvious.
Exactly. Sure, if your only experience with rap is this (even Ludacris thinks that track is foolish) [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGXzlRoNtHU] then I would understand hating rap.

To put this in terms you would probably understand (for this experiment, let's assume you're a metalhead). Imagine someone who has never listened to music before listened to BrokenCYDE and then claimed that all metal is bad and not even music. You would probably say something like "Those guys aren't even metal! Even I think their music sucks!"

By the way, this has a melody:


Sure, it's autotuned like crazy, by you contradicted yourself. That's music by your definition of music, yet it's also rap by definition of rap.

Yes, I'm a massive Kanye West fan and I'm also a Phoenix Wright fan. What of it?
 

Jake the Snake

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Rap is most definitely music. Not the mainstream stuff like Lil Wayne. God no. But it exists. Try Atmosphere or Brother Ali. It is most definitely music. Hooray for indie music, hooray for indie rap!
 

lacktheknack

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As long as there's a melody in the background noise, then yes, it's music (I have the same standards as you).
 

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The Rockerfly said:
Rap is the words of street. Search up Flobots, Cyne, immortal technique and Ice Cube. All of them are very political, very outspoken, use a good range of musical talent and blow any argument you had out of the water
Ok good post but it always bothers me when people list rappers/groups and don't add atmosphere....once again great post. Are we done with these threads yet?
 

The Rockerfly

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Ok good post but it always bothers me when people list rappers/groups and don't add atmosphere....once again great post. Are we done with these threads yet?
I thought we were done with them a few years ago since but one keeps popping up every now and again. You just gotta wack it back down and thank you
 

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I don't even consider Lil Wayne as rap, Lil wayne is that other genre, whats it called again....oh yes, crap, his music is annoying, the lyrics make absolutely no sense, his voice is annoying, he thinks he's bad when in fact he grew up fairly priviliged, he goes on about a fabricated ghetto he grew up in and how he apprently got shot or something.

He's one big charade, but yet, people classify his music as music and unfortunatly, because he is popular, his presence in the limelight represents a genre that really wants nothing to do with him :/

It's like flipping Bob the builder getting to number 1 and apparently representing Pop, I'm sorry people, but Bob has nothing on Michael Jackson, lol
 

C95J

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DiMono said:
C95J said:
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't real music...

Have you actually listened to rap or are you just going purely on what stupid stereotypes say?
Oh how I love when someone reads the first post in a thread and goes no further. Warms the cockles of my heart. I didn't say I didn't like it. I said we could do without people rapping about crime and whores. I'd like to direct you to post 75 on page 3 of this thread, where I lay all this out.
Well I'm sorry I didn't have the time to read all 86 posts before me. Maybe you should have made your first post a little more informing...
 

Ghengis John

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DiMono said:
I say no. I define music very simply as something having a musical melody. Sung, played, strummed, doesn't matter, as long as it's present. Speaking quickly does not a melody make. Thus rap isn't music.

Which is not to say there's no rap out there worth listening to; on the contrary, some is both worthwhile and socially relevant. However, when the vast majority of it is about how cool it is to be a criminal, or to have hot bitches and big TVs, I think society as a whole can do without that.
I don't really care for rap, but that doesn't mean I don't consider it music. And yes as you say there are rappers out there doing legitimate, artistic work and grappling with social issues.

Take Sage Francis for example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcMJ5QD4r60
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VL0mB8ILeo

The vast majority of movies released are not art. That doesn't mean movies can't be art. I don't look at the Zack Snyders, the Ewe Bolls and the Micheal Bayes and say suddenly Stanly Kubrick, Akira Kurosawa or Alfred Hitchcock are not artists. I mean the vast majority of people are shallow and stupid. It only goes to figure the vast majority of what they produce will be crap, Hunter S Thompson estimated it was something like 90% of everything made that was crap. Like Lot, I'll look to the few as opposed to the many when I pass judgment.
 

Max Goldfine

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Ok, i understand where the confusion is coming from. first, lets think about what music really is. There are so many different forms of music it is hard to tell what is and what isn't valid. we have Metal, Pop, Jazz, Classical, Electro, Prog, R&B, Rock, and many others. plus, each catagorie has almost an unlimited amount of sub catigories (Electro house, Heavy metal, Acid jazz...) each catagorie is just as valid as the next. and then there is the genre in question, hip hop. If you define music simply as a collection of soundwaves that have order and consistancy than yes, rap is definetly music. it may not always have harmony and melody but more often than not it does. If the voice is an instrament than why cant language be used the same way. if you listen to band like "The Mars Volta" you might notice that the lyrics usually dont make sense, however, the words that Cedric uses just SOUND good together. he uses the cadence of words, and how different emphasis's in different places can make your ear focus on different parts of the song. He uses the english language (and sometimes spanish) as an instrument. Poetry has always been very close to music. They share a lot of the samee terminology (Stanza, Meter, Verse...) and all hip hop is, is a merging of poetry into music. some might say that the earliest rap song ever written is "Subteranian Homesick Blues" by Bob Dylan. in that song he doesnt hit a single note that is condusive to the key of the song. Rather, he just sort of speaks the lyrics. sound familiar?
 

CarpathianMuffin

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Not in the traditional sense it isn't. Though the best of it flows far better than other forms of music, and has a strong rhythm.
 

Ham_authority95

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"Rap" denotes a spoken poetry style, so it isn't always music.

"Hip-Hop",(which is the proper term for what this thread is about), however, has a backing musical track with rhythm and melody, so Hip-Hop, indeed, is music.

The more you know...
 

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AvitaDeva said:
When rappers rap they tend to have a pacing this pacing is based upon the instruments in the background if they keep in sync with this you create a sort of tune which can be some thing a kin to chanting...but at the end of the day your definition of music is simply your opinion...

Jean-Jacques Nattiez summarizes the relativist, post-modern viewpoint: "The border between music and noise is always culturally defined?which implies that, even within a single society, this border does not always pass through the same place; in short, there is rarely a consensus ... By all accounts there is no single and intercultural universal concept defining what music might be."

that implies that any thing can be dubbed not music...
Yeah, pretty much this. The sound of me typing this on my keyboard could be considered music. Humans can find pretty much any sound musical, appealing or interesting in some way.

And even by more conventional standards, there is plenty of hip hop out there that is great.