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besides the US CAN STILL PREVAIL against this. If you don't believe me read popular mechanics December 2010 issue
 

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China will be the US' ally within a few years. Islamic extremist groups have threatened to attack China before. If they do, China will do everything in its power to wipe them off the map causing a probable alliance with the US
 

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green_dude said:
Meh, had to happen eventually. America won't be as powerful as it is (or was) for much longer anyway, I'm guessing China will take its place.

Bocaj2000 said:
China will be the US' ally within a few years. Islamic extremist groups have threatened to attack China before. If they do, China will do everything in its power to wipe them off the map causing a probable alliance with the US
Or make a truce with the US less likely, as China is a little more morally flexible when it comes to dealing with terrorists and no one would want to be associated with the bad press.
Too many big businesses run on cheap imports from China, I really can't see the body politic reducing the potential for trade since that will lighten their wallets as well.
 

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Until China begins building a blue-water navy, they'll always be second banana.


India is the next big global power, not China.
They have a blue water navy and are building additional carriers.


Whoever controls the sea lanes controls the world.
 

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I don't get why anyone would be surprised. Like most previous superpowers, the US got to the top with a mixture of chance, good timing and luck. A lot of people thought that the US wouldn't be able to maintain "world leading superpower" as long as, say, Britain did, and while I think the west are (probably) in far better hands with the US in charge, I can't see it lasting.

It all comes down to this: China has a different work ethic to the west. I watched an interview with the guy who choreographed the Beijing Olympic opening ceremony, and his point was that places like London couldn't compete (in performing arts) because there are too many trade unions, people work to different timescales, and there are too many health and safety issues. Well, that's what he meant. What he said was along the lines of "English people are lazy, they only start at 8, they take 6 breaks a day, and go home at 6". Imagine their attitude toward business and military. It's potentially amazing what people can do with no human rights, no "freedom" and cheap value of life. And you know what? I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing.
 

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I think we owe too much money to China for an improved military on their part to be any good for us.

Honestly we're starting to look at another cold war here. Another us-versus-them war. Although I think this might be good to have something of a rival on the global scale. Nothing drove our technology forward like trying to beat the Russians.
 

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green_dude said:
manythings said:
green_dude said:
Meh, had to happen eventually. America won't be as powerful as it is (or was) for much longer anyway, I'm guessing China will take its place.

Bocaj2000 said:
China will be the US' ally within a few years. Islamic extremist groups have threatened to attack China before. If they do, China will do everything in its power to wipe them off the map causing a probable alliance with the US
Or make a truce with the US less likely, as China is a little more morally flexible when it comes to dealing with terrorists and no one would want to be associated with the bad press.
Too many big businesses run on cheap imports from China, I really can't see the body politic reducing the potential for trade since that will lighten their wallets as well.
I never said anything about not trading with them, I just can't see the US and China supporting each other in a war on terror.
"China could solve their problem with as little involvement as possible, they for once WON"T be the bad guys that hire mercenary's that kill Innocent people thing."

*Prepares flame shield from that loaded statement*
 

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War is bound to happen. Whether one day Turkey and China are allies against the US and the next France is being teamed up on by China and the US. It's just a matter of who has enough guts to join together or attack first.
 

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Or make a truce with the US less likely, as China is a little more morally flexible when it comes to dealing with terrorists and no one would want to be associated with the bad press.
Like the US isn't?

Who gave the taliban their weapons and support in the first place, and what did they proceed to use them for? Who is pretty much more than happy to deal with and support dictators as long as it means getting oil in return?

US foreign policy has shown us that terrorism and guerilla tactics even against civilians is A-OKAY as long as it happens to other people. Heck some of the spooks sent by the CIA pretty much conduct terrorism on foreign soil with military budget funding at their backs (even if they might not get official support by the government).
 

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Bocaj2000 said:
China will be the US' ally within a few years. Islamic extremist groups have threatened to attack China before. If they do, China will do everything in its power to wipe them off the map causing a probable alliance with the US
i truly doubt the US would publicly support the genocide of an entire people
 

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Death God said:
War is bound to happen. Whether one day Turkey and China are allies against the US and the next France is being teamed up on by China and the US. It's just a matter of who has enough guts to join together or attack first.
Why though? Think about the monumental economy hit the Chinese would take. A war between China and the USA would be crippling for both parties. Even if one were to come out on top, what would they gain? A worse off economy and trade sector? Yep.

I think the days of World War are behind us right now. Maybe something crazy will happen in the future, but as far as I can see it - I really doubt a major war will break out between two super powers.

tthor said:
Bocaj2000 said:
China will be the US' ally within a few years. Islamic extremist groups have threatened to attack China before. If they do, China will do everything in its power to wipe them off the map causing a probable alliance with the US
i truly doubt the US would publicly support the genocide of an entire people
I agree, but it wouldn't be labelled a genocide. It will simply be another "War against Terror" but involving China.
 

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tthor said:
Bocaj2000 said:
China will be the US' ally within a few years. Islamic extremist groups have threatened to attack China before. If they do, China will do everything in its power to wipe them off the map causing a probable alliance with the US
i truly doubt the US would publicly support the genocide of an entire people
By your logic, allying with the US is supporting genocide as well.

And second of all, you have no idea about how many murderous dictators the US not only supports but propped up. Look up US relations with Saddam Hussein. You'll be surprised.
 

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Why couldn't China have a stealth fighter? They do what they wish with their money. It's not like they're invading other countries at the moment. Do the US have stealth fighters? pretty sure they do...
 

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I do enjoy living in Europe lots. :)
We've had most of our shit. (at least that what i like to believe)

OT:No-one will be stupid enough to attack.
Because it will be equally destructive on both sides.
When no-one wins, no one fights.
 

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The world is fucked if Taiwan ever declares it's independence.

It's definitely the most likely cause of World War 3.
 

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Kortney said:
Death God said:
War is bound to happen. Whether one day Turkey and China are allies against the US and the next France is being teamed up on by China and the US. It's just a matter of who has enough guts to join together or attack first.
Why though? Think about the monumental economy hit the Chinese would take. A war between China and the USA would be crippling for both parties. Even if one were to come out on top, what would they gain? A worse off economy and trade sector? Yep.
True but then again, war has no real purpose other than to be able to to intimidate other countries into either leaving them alone or by ceasing an a soon to be un-winnable war with a neighboring enemy.
 

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Death God said:
Kortney said:
Death God said:
War is bound to happen. Whether one day Turkey and China are allies against the US and the next France is being teamed up on by China and the US. It's just a matter of who has enough guts to join together or attack first.
Why though? Think about the monumental economy hit the Chinese would take. A war between China and the USA would be crippling for both parties. Even if one were to come out on top, what would they gain? A worse off economy and trade sector? Yep.
True but then again, war has no real purpose other than to be able to to intimidate other countries into either leaving them alone or by ceasing an a soon to be un-winnable war with a neighboring enemy.
I don't agree. I think World War 1 and World War 2 had very real benefits for the winners. Nations weren't as dependent on each other for finance back then. Superpowers could risk fighting each other without their economy collapsing through lack of trade.
 

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Bocaj2000 said:
China will be the US' ally within a few years. Islamic extremist groups have threatened to attack China before. If they do, China will do everything in its power to wipe them off the map causing a probable alliance with the US
Don't count on it. China needs oil to run those tanks, and wouldn't risk a problematic invasion.